User talk:RameshSatyam

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Municipal Solid Waste
I have inserted selected content on the subject of Municipal Solid Waste (MSW) from Chapter 21 of Agenda 21 that I accessed in pdf form from UN website. The Programme Areas could possibly be changed into links, such as Minimising Wastes. The Content is permitted for Free Circulation by the Publisher.


 * Thank you for your interest in editing and for checking the copyright status of that material, but please see What Wikipedia is not. I have added the paper to the external links at Municipal solid waste. If you would like to add content summarizing that source, you can cite it by copying and pasting at the end of the sentence or section. Happy editing, - 2/0 (cont.) 20:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

July 2011
Your addition to Kanshi Ram has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Muhandes (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

The publication "The Chamcha Age" - An Era of Stooges, written by Kanshi Ram is not copyrighted unless someone seems to have copyrighted it after his death. Kanshi Ram was editor of a publication "The Oppressed Indian", issues of which of the late 70s and early 80s, I have read. I have also had the opportunity to witness him addressing gatherings on quite a few occasions. I felt that the content at the moment is drawn mostly from media reports that don't objectively represent this individual and his struggle for the emancipation of the downtrodden masses in India. Therefore, it should be okay to retain the first paragraph that is compiled from text on "About the Author" from "The Chamcha Age". At present, in web space, bspindia.org appears to be close in terms of being authentic in representing the views of the Bahujan Samaj Party, a political party founded by Kanshi Ram. Although this site claims copyright over the contents, it doesn't formally acknowledge the source from which it has drawn content that is available without copyright. I wouldn't mind writing to the webmaster@bspindia.org to get permission for use of content on their site for reproduction on wikipedia.

Secondly, I can modify the article appropriately so that content from bspindia.org and other sources is only used as a source of 'information' instead of 'article content'.

I feel strongly that the page on Kanshi Ram needs to be changed appropriately so that the reader will get a proper perspective on his life and mission in ushering political change in modern India.


 * Using material verbatim from a web has two problems. First, it is a copyright violation, and you already mentioned the possible remedies in your response (rewrite or permission). If you are certain some of the material has no copyright you will need to prove that. Second, it is bound to be opinionated and lack a neutral point of view, and your edit demonstrated this second point very well with sentences like "It will be apt to say that, Kanshi Ram has been the only leader..." (apt to say by whom?), "Most of the politicians, Researchers failed to understand the vision of Kanshi Ram" (most? can I see the statistics?) etc. I agree the article can be improve, and probably to a great extent. I suggest you do that with small edits, adding well sourced and neutral information. I'd be happy to assist. --Muhandes (talk) 06:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. I do agree with you on the issue of neutrality, which is missing also from the current version like the attempt to identify a national/international leader in the very first line on the basis of his caste, projection of a national leader as a leader of certain castes etc., This content also draws from sources that are not neutral. In India, A tall leader such Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, who wrote it's Constitution was projected by the media as a leader of the Dalits (as he was born in a family categorized under Scheduled Castes) while the like of Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru or Sardar Patel were projected as national leaders and not as leaders of their respective castes such as Brahmin, Bania, Kshatriya. I will return to work on this again asap.


 * I tend to agree his descent does not belong in the lead. I moved it to the Early life section where it belongs. --Muhandes (talk) 10:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)