User talk:Ran/2006 (2)

Chinese naming conventions
I just made a new proposal on NPOV treatment of the different Chinese languages/dialects on the Chinese naming conventions. Please take a look and comment as you will. Thanks.--Yuje 19:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Geladandong
Hello, I just heard from a Chinese friend at RMDX in Beijing and she says she wants to climb this mountain called Geladandong. I had never heard of it but looked it up and found that it's in Qinghai and is the source of the Yangtze. I've made an article about the mountain and wonder if you'd check it, as someone who knows China and Tibet well/better than me. Badagnani 07:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help at Geladandong. Question: Yushu isn't listed as a prefecture in List of administrative divisions of Qinghai. Other websites state that it's the former name of Haishi. If not, then why isn't it in the Qinghai divisions article? Also, various sites state that Geladandong is either in Haishi, Yushu, or Nagqu. I'm guessing the summit is in Haishi but foothills might be in all three of them. Whatever the case, it's confusing. And I don't know what an exclave is either. Is that the white part between the two red parts in the map of Haishi? Badagnani 20:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

All right, found it under the Tibetan name -- Gyêgu Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture. The "exclave" would likely be this prefecture, as there doesn't seem to be any unincorporated area between the non-continuous areas of Haishi -- it's this prefecture. I'll try to find out which of the two prefectures the summit is in, then perhaps the surrounding mountain/massif is in both Yushu/Gyegu and Haishi. Badagnani 21:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Transaltion to Hebrew
Hi, I already translated the location maps, you can see them in the Hebrew Wikipedia. Here's a translation of everything but the province names in Administrative Divisions & Teritorial Disputes map:

People's Republic of China:

הרפובליקה העממית של סין:‏

Administrative Divisions & Teritorial Disputes

חלוקה מנהלית ומחלוקות טריטוריאליות

Askai Chin is claimed by India

הודו טוענת לחזקה על אַקְסַאי צִ'ין

Most of the area of Arunachal Pradesh is claimed by China

סין טוענת לחזקה על מרבית שטחה של מדינת ארוּנאצ'אל פּרַאדֶשׁ

The Diaoyu / Senkaku Islands are administered by Japan, and claimed by the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China.

‏איי דְיַאו-יוּ' \ סֵנְקַאקוּ נתונים לשליטה יפנית ונטענים לחזקה הן על ידי הרפובליקה העממית של סין והן על ידי הרפובליקה‏ הסינית.‏

Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu and the Pratas are administered by the republic of China and claimed by the Poeple's Republic of China.

האיים טאיוואן, פּנְג-חוּ ,קינמֵן, מאצוּ ואיי פּרַאטָאס נתונים לשליטת הרפובליקה הסינית ונטענים לחזקה על ידי הרפובליקה העממית של סין.‏

The People's Republic of China and the Republic of China both claim the Paracel and Spartly islands, not shown in this map. The PRC controls the Paracels (also claimed by Vietnam), while the Spartlys are disputed among several neighboring countries.

הן הרפובליקה העממית של סין והן הרפובליקה הסינית טוענות לחזקה על איי פּארַאסֵל ועל איי סְפּארְטְלִי (לא מוצגים במפה). הרפובליקה העממית שולטת בפועל באיי פאראסל (הטעונה לחזקה גם על ידי וייטנאם), בעוד שאיי ספארטלי נתונים במחלוקת בין מדינות נוספות.‏

Province

מחוז

Autonomous Region

אזור אוטונומי

Municipality

עירייה

claimed by India, administered by PRC

בשליטת הרפובליקה העממית של סין, הודו טוענת לחזקה

claimed by PRC, administered by India

הרפובליקה העממית של סין טוענת לחזקה, בשליטת הודו

claimed by PRC, administered by Republic of China

הרפובליקה העממית של סין טוענת לחזקה, בשליטת הרפובליקה הסינית

claimed by PRC, administered by Japan

הרפובליקה העממית של סין טוענת לחזקה, בשליטת יפן

If (and only if) you may, I also wish to incorporate the TAR-TAP-TAC map into the Tibet entry, which I intend to rewrite. For this map I include also the names for tibet and the subdivisions:

Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region

המחוז האוּיגוּרי האוטונומי שׂין-גְ'יַאנג

Gansu Province

מחוז גַאן-סוּ

Qinghai Province

מחוז צ'ינְג-חָאי

Sichuan Province

מחוז סְה-צְ'וַאן

Yunnan Province

מחוז יוּ'ן-נַאן

controlled by India

claimed by China

בשליטה סינית

הודו טוענת לחזקה

controlled by China

claimed by India

בשליטה הודית

סין טוענת לחזקה

Tibet Autonomous Region

האזור האוטונמי הטיבטי

Haixi Mongol & Tibetan A.P.

ח"א מונגולי וטיבטי חאי-שׂי

Gyêgu T.A.P.

חא"ט גְיֵגוּ

Hainan T.A.P.

חא"ט חָאי-נַאן

Haibei T.A.P.

חא"ט חָאי-בֵיי

Golog T.A.P.

חא"ט גוֹלוֹג

Huangnan T.A.P.

חא"ט חְוַאנְג-נַאן

Tianzhu T.A.C.

נא"ט טְייֵן-ג'וּ

Gannan T.A.P.

חא"ט גַאן-נַאן

Aba Tibetan & Qiang A.P.

ח"א אַבּה של טיבטים ובני צְ'יַאנְג

Garzê T.A.P.

חא"ט גַארְזֶה

Muli T.A.C.

נא"ט מוּלִי

Dêqên T.A.P.

חא"ט דֶצֶ'ן

חא"ט - חבל אוטונומי טיבטי

נא"ט - נפה אוטונומית טיבטית

I'm not sure at all about the transliteration of the Tibetan names. Also, I cannot guarantee that my translation won't be disputed in the future, there are quite a few questionable decisions I had to make. Unfortunately there are no Wikipedians with knowledge of Chinese in Hebrew Wikipedia that I know of, so I have no one to consult really. Finally, you write you'll try to extract the province names from the entries themselves. I'm not sure you can manage, if you need assitance or have any comments just ask. UncleMatt 22:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I just reviewed my translation and had to modify some of the translation due to a problem with the rendering of some of the text. There are very few modifications and you can notice them easily - if you see a lonesome dot in the middle of the word, it means something's wrong with the rendering. UncleMatt 14:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Identification of the varieties of Chinese
My compliments on a very well written article! I had added a few comments to the top of List of Chinese dialects on the same general subject, before discovering your article (which I've linked to). I'm impressed with how level headed the discussion of this very loaded issue is, in all of the places I've seen it referenced on Wikipedia. Living in Hong Kong, in my experience, people tend to be quite passionate in their views on what constitutes a "language" among the Chinese idioms (to use a neutral term). Cantonese receives very little respect from its native speakers, for example. If I had a Hong Kong dollar for every time I've heard somebody say "It's just a slang..." Waitak 05:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Ģ

Thanks for the pinyin
Ran... sorry I left the Guangxi city list in such a mess, but my pinyin and tones stink. I left you a lot of work and what you are doing is appreciated!

Mike 03:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

CC by-sa licensing of locator maps
Greetings -- I notice that you've agreed to multi-license your text contributions, but would you also be willing to multi-license your locator maps? These would be really helpful for Wikitravel articles like, say, Yunnan. Jpatokal 05:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Bump. So any chance of this happening? Wikitravel's fairly pitiful China coverage is slowly improving and these would be more and more useful... Jpatokal 11:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Chanchu
I've started a straw poll at the talk page, a heads-up. NSL E (T+C) at 17:31 UTC (2006-06-01)

Reorganization of "China" articles
There are two parallel proposals that seek a massive reorganization of the "China" articles: The discussion here seeks to turn the current China page into a disambiguation page and the discussion here seeks to move/merge People's Republic of China into China. Your comments are welcome at the relevant talk page. Thanks, --Jiang 12:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Serbia and Montenegro
While I think it's likely that Serbia does continue in its membership, unless you have something that says this is so, I'm not sure it's a certainty. Serbia and Montenegro did not have automatic membership when Yugoslavia broke up.  O Z L AWYER   talk   21:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Gotcha.  O Z L AWYER    talk   21:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Help!
Hey Ran,

This user called True tibet has made some vow to show the "truth about Tibet", can you please keep an eye on the Tibet page? Thanks. &mdash; Khoikhoi  05:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

ran, do not send me private mesages trying to scare me off the article on tibet. I will write a letter to the owner of wikipedia. just deal with the fact that you are one sided and milions of tibetans around the world want to see their homeland free from the chinese communist opression. Me 15:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Khoikoi, I dont think Ran can keep an eye on Tibet, he is not Tibetan. Infact you do not have a single Tibetan contribution on the article. Do you have any Tibetan friends around you? Why don't you ask the Tibetans crossing the Nepalese border every day? Me 15:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * STOP making me laugh, you're neither ethnic-Tibetan nor TAR resident and thus have no credibility on criticising Ran. Having a Tibetan wife, or pleasing her, won't make you more authoritative on the Tibet issue, it's kindergarten-level common sense. One of my younger sisters is now living in Wisconsin, it doesnt mean that I can claim myself as an authority over any Wisconsin-related topics. Let me tell you, doing "copy and paste" from those Schoolkids-For-Free-Tibet sources wont help much on constructing Wikipedia. - 219.79.228.11 10:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't make up stories dear 219.78.173.41 - hong kong

219.79.29.79 – hong kong 219.79.228.11 – hong kong, (BTW why don't you register and do your pro communist chinese nazi edits with one name instead of hiding behind your several IPs?. I don't want to post on Ran's page about you. He's got my comments already) I know many people and I will see them all tomorrow during HH Dalai Lama's Birthday Celebration. You are one sick mind. We were visited by two nuns who escaped the "great China" and told their story, how they were beaten and raped and had the pictures and scars to prove it! What do you have to say about that, funny man? My spouse was lucky enough to be born in India like thousands of Tibetans, because the parents escaped in the 50s. Who the hell are you to edit about Tibet? What is your connection or education on Tibet??? Me 20:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * um....so, is that all you can say in the losing debate? until this moment you still have not convinced us about your credibility on critising Ran on Tibet. Once again, are you ethnic Tibet or what? (Its no use telling me that your wife/neighbours/schoolmates/bestfriends/girlfriends/boyfriends blarblarblar are from Tibet)


 * As you might be a new comer to wiki, just wanna tell you that if a talkpage msg comes with an IP address, it means that the comment IS ALREADY SIGNED. BTW, as common knowledge everyone can easily find out where one IP address comes from . Life is short, get a job. - 219.79.29.79 04:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Losing a debate? I thought you said there was no dispute! Ha! No, buddy. I am married to a Tibetan and in all cultures that makes you related to that nationality. Hello?! I am a member of the Wisonsin Tibetan Association. I have kids with Tibetan names. BTW Happy Birthday to Hiss Holiness The 14th Dalai Lama! I have a job. Thanks for caring. As to the issue of Tibet you are blinded and brainwashed chinese who will suffer under the chinese communist regime for years to come, happy being in China?? Hehe. Tibet is not chinese and you know it. You just found this Wikipedia place to post your nonsense. What is your education and what is your source of info on Tibet? More chinese propaganda?? Getting the IP and the location is easy? Duh! Your location is my point, smart guy. I don't care if you sign it or not. I care for you to register and create your own talk page where I can post my comments about you. In short, stop removing the POV tag or I will sent a signed petition to the owner of this site. If you want to write some communist propaganda on china and the lands it claims publish your own website. Remember Yugoslavia and the USSR? That is the future for your country. When the Tibetan people and the Dalai Lama return to Tibet, you and people like you will have to show respect. Wow, there really is a big difference between a chinese person and a tibetan person and you are the proof for that.  Me 16:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * hahahha, Ran you forgot to sign in and sign your own comment. What a tool! Me 18:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Errr --- what?! I am not User:219.79.228.11. What's with all of these weird accusations?! -- ran (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ran, tell your little friend here to register and wave his personal comments under his own talk page. If I have beef with you I will pick it with you later. Me 20:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

ran, if you are not a communist then you are a brainwashed nazi. tibet is not chinese, I am married to a tibetan and believe me, they are not scared or not done with you! Me 15:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

MOTHER CHINA! TIBET, TAIWAN, YOU ARE EATEN BY THE MOTHER! WESTERNERS ARE CLUELESS! Hi Ran YOU ARE A FIRST CLASS CHINESE NAZI! THANK GOODNESS FOR HISTORY IN WIKISHMEDIA! Listen buddy! You are not in control of the internet or the truth! You are so transparent that it is almost sad! Get it trough your thick head. China is just a cheap labor country yard for the USA. Tibet will be free from your ocupation and the opression you have caused to your own people will SPLIT your precious "motherland"! Mark my word, young, naive chinese boy! ALL OF YOUR "EDITS" FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS ARE NOT AT ALL NEUTRAL, YOU, CHINESE NATIONALIST! Me 15:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

There, I signed all my comments. Ran, you keep trying to scare me away with bans and blocks. This is not an issue of my posts, this is an issue of your article on Tibet which is clearly not neutral. If it was neutral my spouse and I will not dispute it. Me 15:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * How do you not feed the troll when you are the troll, Ran? Haha. How sad. Me 04:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * RAN THE TROLL IS TRYING TO CHASE ME AWAY FROM WIKIPEDIA FOR EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT TIBET AND HOW THE TIBETAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT CHINESE OCCUPATION AND WANT TO BE FREE! LONG LIVE HH THE DALAI LAMA, LONG LIVE TIBET! CHINA OUT OF TIBET! TIBET IS FOR THE TIBETANS! KEEP THE ARTICLE ON TIBET NEUTRAL! DO NOT GIVE UP AND IF I GET BANNED REMMEMBER SOMEONE TRIED! FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY WILL PREVAIL! STOP THE GENOCIDE IN TIBET! Me 05:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Necease's changes.
Why is Necease going around changing the chinese language formats for the China geography articles? He keeps reverting your reverts.Mike 15:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for reverting Yuee's vandalism to my user page.



Srose 19:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Central Asia
WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Territorial disputes:
Hi. Please read today's post in the talk section. After what I believe are the easier ones to reference, I'll reinvestigate/trace my sources per section in twos. The once listed have Wiki references, plus a couple of things that were only moved alphabetically. Let me know what you want to do hereon. RAYMI--80.68.39.212 07:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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Sourced territorial dispute entries
In the above talk section I've put a list of the 'best sourced ones' (from the World Factbook, and Sourced Wikipedia). I have inserted one entry myself, which comes from an excellent Wiki article with a map of the exactitudes of the dispute on the link. I won't make a habit of this, but the references for this one were clear cut.......... RAYMI--80.68.39.212 12:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

raymi
more territorial dispute stuff on the talk page. Mamy thanks.--80.68.39.212 12:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Heixiazi
Hi, Ran! It looks that the most obvious inaccuracies have already been corrected; I corrected some minor things and added Russian accents. The facts also look correct, at least based on what I know, but it'd be great if you could add references and/or sources of your information. All in all&mdash;thanks for creating this!&mdash;Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way
Thanks for helping to improve my Tibetan template on zh.wikipedia.&mdash;Nat Krause(Talk!) 06:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Protecting user pages
Is it possible to protect user pages from specific users? User:Krnc keeps on trying to delete talk comments (written by someone else) from my talk page. --Yuje 06:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

vandalism alert on Manchu and Manchuria articles
Hi there, apparently there are 2 users user:Breathejustice and user:192.35.79.70, who have been repeatedly vandalizing the Manchu and Manchuria articles. Here is an example of what is going on with the Manchuria article.

Also, besides having inserted the user's own POV into the articles, the user has repeatedly put up this image along with the articles Image:Goguryeo_h.jpg, which greatly overexaggerates the boundaries of the Three Kingdoms period of Korea and reeks of greatly ultranationalistic overtones, ie. Japan, Sakhalin, and eastern China being shown as either Korean territory or as Korean colonies. This image is also up for deletion.

Abstrakt 22:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:Hong Kong (PRC)
Guess you must be interested to take a part to decide whether this template should stay. :-) &mdash; Instantnood 20:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking part. &mdash; Instantnood 21:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Tibet (heh)
Sorry for my late reply, I was away in Israel the past month. It appears our friend hasn't made any contributions for awhile, let me know if there are any more problems however. Yes, I did see your little conversation with him, actually. LOL! I love it how anyone that disagrees with his opinions is somehow a communist. Anyways, thanks for your kind words&mdash;let's hope that will never happen. ;) 再見. &mdash; Khoikhoi  20:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

sarcelles
hi apparently Sarcelles is back to his copying and pasting of Falun Gong material again, see Masanjia reducation through labor and Minzu hospital. Abstrakt 01:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Arunachal Pradesh
Hi! Could you comment on Image talk:India-locator-map-blank.svg. Users there refuse to acknowledge China's claim to AP. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  14:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Heixiazi/Bolshoy Ussuriysky
Hi, Ran! It's a part of Khabarovsk Krai, not JAO.&mdash;Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:HDImap current.png
please be aware that I was not the original uploader, I simply copied it to the commons. A dmrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 05:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)