User talk:Randam/Archive 1

Minor edit?
Please do not tag substantial edits as "minor", it is not very respectful towards other editors. In any case, everyone can see the edit so it is not like the "m" button hides it! :)) Cheers! 82.230.24.185 (talk) 18:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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Historical perspective
RE: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gaza_flotilla_raid&diff=366097951&oldid=366096898

Randam, the inclusion of this information has been debated in the talk quite a bit and many people feel it is unrelated and unnecessary, especially given the fact that this article's length has become a serious issue, with multiple sections being split off. Please open up discussion on this in the talk page if you think it should be included, for the time being I would recommend you undo this edit since it has been the subject of edit wars in the past. Zuchinni one (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi,
 * I looked up in the archives and I could not find a consensus about this subject. Yet, the text was bluntly removed. In my opinion, the part about SS Exodus is essential and should stay in the article. If you don't agree, we could continue at the talk page of Gaza flotilla raid. Randam (talk) 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring
Randam, You might want to be careful. It looks like you are edit warring a bit and this article is current under a WP:1RR protection. You're absolutely right that things should be discussed in the talk section, but you might want to hold off on reverting the changes even if people are still discussing things Zuchinni one (talk) 01:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Pic in wrong section
Randam ... you put the pic in reactions rather than See Also by accident. Zuchinni one (talk) 04:31, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Turkish constitutional referendum
Please see Talk:Turkish constitutional referendum, 2010. Thank you. Kaldari (talk) 19:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

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Vandalism to 2011 Kurdish protests in Turkey
Hey, is there a reason you moved and replaced pieces of the 2011 Kurdish protests in Turkey without WP:RS or consulting other editors on the Talk page? I've reverted those edits. Cheers. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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Removal of content from RCT
Hi! I was just wondering why you removed so much apparently well sourced information on Erdoğans stance on the Armenian Genocide? I have reverted you since you didn't provide an edit summary, please do so in the future. Bjelleklang -  talk 08:02, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Let me start by saying that you right about me for forgetting to write an edit summary. I apologize for this.
 * The section Successor is just simple speculations and rumors. To this day, there is still no direct indication to think that his successor will be Mr Kurtulmus. There are many speculations about many names for various political positions. The section should be written at the page of Kurtulmus.
 * The second and third paragraph of the section Policy on the Armenian Genocide has nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide. It is about the country Armenia and and its current leaders. Therefore, this section should be moved to the section Armenia of the article Foreign policy of the Recep Tayyip Erdoğan government. Also it is wrongly stated that the monument in Kars is affiliated with the genocide. The artist and authorities created the monument with different intentions. The first paragraph has multiple problems. Only the first sentence of this paragraph is correct. The second and third sentences are misquoted/mistranslated from the original. And the last sentence is a general statement about genocides in general. --Randam (talk) 18:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * IMO well-done. Congrats. --E4024 (talk) 17:28, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Explain first, why do you remove information about relations with Armenia, while relations with other countries can stay there? The Armenian Genocide is a key issue in Erdogans policy. Your edits are obviously too partisan. You only count improvements and delete any critical information. Please stop removing sourced content. Thanks.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Armenia is a very small country with only 3 million people. It is not a important country, nor a huge issue of Erdogan's policy. According to your logic and criteria we can place every country from Foreign policy of the Recep Tayyip Erdoğan government to the page of Erdogan.
 * You're free to change and discuss every edit of I make that looks partisan to you. Randam (talk) 18:57, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What's that for an argument??? Cyprus has only one million inhabitants and is still mentioned in the list even if it is not a neighbouring country. While Armenia IS a neighboring country and is an important key issue of the new AKP foreign policy which Erdogan tried to solve in 2008 and 2009, but failed in 2010.
 * P.S.: As I see, almost every edit from you is partisan. You only favor Erdogan and blame the turkish Opposition (no matter if it is CHP, MHP or BDP).--Chauahuasachca (talk) 19:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It is not about beeing a neighbouring country, it is about the importance. If Liechtenstein was Turkey's neighbouring country, would it be important enough to post on the front page? Read carefully, it is not about Cyprus, it is about the Cyprus dispute. This dispute is one of the major criterium between EU and Turkey. It is main reason why Greece blocked Turkey's accesion. Armenia on the other hand is a regular small country which is a local issue. It is not more special than any other country in the "Foreign Policy" articile.Randam (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

All in all, it sounds that you only try to avoid addition of critical parts to the article - which is already filled with massive POV from you.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) First, Greece doesn't officially block Turkey's EU accesion, it's if at all the Republic of Cyprus.
 * 2) Second, Liechtenstein has no problems with neighbouring countries, and if it has, it will surely be added even if it's a small country.
 * 3) Third, Armenia HAS problems with Turkey, and the European Union says that the accesion of Turkey depends also on solving the Armenian issue.
 * 4) Fourth, if it's only a local issue, why are Iraq, Egypt and Somalia (???) added then?
 * Please look up into archives. Accession talks were started with central and eastern European states and Cyprus, but not with Turkey due to pressure of Greece. So you really think Greece and Cyprus will accept Turkish accesion without solving Cyprus problem? I don't say Armenia and Turkey don't have problems, they do have. But small and local issues belong in the Foreign Policy article. The EU does not set relations with Armenia or the recognition of the Armenian Genocide as condition, because it is not part of Community acquis and there are even some EU countries that don't satisfy these conditions. Some may want it to be a condition, but official EU enlargement rules does not include it. Iraq is global issue, you can think about Iraq war, PKK, Barzani Government, Oil, economic agreements etc. It is every year on the news. Egypt and Somalia are global issues, in which Erdogan played/plays a unique and major role. But if this is in our way of reaching a consensus, you may move them to Foreign Policy article together with the Armenia section.
 * These talks, when Greece blocked the talks with Turkey, were before Tayyips Prime Ministership (the talks ended 2003); today Greece even supports the Membership of Turkey. And the Armenian Genocide is not a "small and local issue", especially because there is still an Armenian minority in Turkey and a big Armenian Diaspora originating from Turkey. The whole foreign policy section shouldn't focus on the EU either, but on all the neighbouring states. And as the neo-ottoman O problems policy with neighbours has been started unter the Tayyip government, it should be noted that it didn't work with Armenia. Thus, the Armenian issue is far more important than Somalia or Egypt - because it is a key issue in turkey's foreign policy. We saw it in 2011 when French parliament wanted to pass the Genocide Bill, which wanted to forbid Armenian Genocide denial and caused unrest in turkey and the turkish Diaspora.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 21:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I see we will not agree on these issues. I am not in the mood to endlessly debate about this. You can have it your way. Randam (talk) 02:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's about bringing arguments and convincing, not about about the mood of someone.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 11:15, 11 June 2013 (UTC)