User talk:Randy Jaiyan

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Thank you

January 2008
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Image source problem with Image:Troy and Gabriella sing "Everyday".png
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Image copyright problem with Image:Carly Jacks.jpg
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Image copyright problem with Image:Laurawright2.jpg
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Image copyright problem with Image:Jacks Carly Corinthos.jpg
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Carly
I have put all the licensed pictures back in the article. Please do not change them to unlicensed disputed free image pictures. The file name is not important, the picture is. If you need any help, feel free to contact me. IrishLass (talk) 18:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Potc1.jpg
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:Potc1.jpg)
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Image copyright problem with Image:Carly as teen.jpg
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Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to InuYasha. Thank you. Collectonian (talk) 12:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Carly as teen.jpg
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Image copyright problem with Image:CarolineCarly Jacks.jpg
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Image copyright problem with Image:Carly2.jpg
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Image copyright problem with Image:CarlyRoberts.jpg
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Images
Your copyright violation pictures have been and will continue to be removed from the Carly Corinthos article. Do not put images that are not allowed on Wikipedia in articles. They will be immediately removed. KellyAna (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You can also not use actress promotional pictures in articles, see other soap articles, it is an illegal use of images. Please stop adding illegal images.  Also, do not remove clean up tags, those are there for a reason and removing them without taking care of the issue the article was tagged for.  This is also a violation. KellyAna (talk) 00:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Carly Corinthos Jacks.jpg
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Vandalism
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 * [[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appeared to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. KellyAna (talk) 02:07, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Uploads
Your upload of image of an actress for use in a character article is prohibited. The picture has been changed to an allowable picture. Do not revert to an illegal image. And unless you took the picture yourself, you didn't "make" anything. You downloaded the image but you didn't take it and you didn't make it. KellyAna (talk) 00:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|32px|left|Image Copyright problem]] - you cannot claim an image is yours and you cannot license an image you steal from a website. The website owns the work, not you.  Screen caps for story purposes are allowed but actor images are not.  Stop uploading illegal images. KellyAna (talk) 00:35, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

You cannot claim authorship over a screenshot. It doesn't pass the threshold of originality under US copyright law. You may create the file, but you don't legally own the copyright. Daniel Case (talk) 02:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

With that in mind ...

Block notice
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Your page has been moved back
And your gross incivility has been reported. I only removed your illegal images by reverting what you did. Illegal images are not allowed. You were warned and blocked for violating the rules. Blame yourself for your actions and consequences. I am not to blame nor am I a liar or a loser. KellyAna (talk) 21:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Carly Samantha BabyGirl 22.jpg
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Image:Gh_barash_1.jpg
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Page moves and vandalism
You are not being reported for multiple levels of vandalism. For one, Wikipedia has guidelines and all your page moves do not violate policy. Carly Corinthos Jacks's common name, see WP:Common names, is Corinthos Jacks. You moves Claudia Zacchara and the placement of legal images. I know you know policy before moving pages again. You've been reported. KellyAna (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|32px|left|Image Copyright problem]]There is only one thing to understand, that's WIKIPEDIA POLICY and you keep violating it with your page moves. STOP moving the pages against policy.  You're continued moves are VANDALISM. KellyAna (talk) 18:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|50px|left|Image Copyright problem]]Stop vandalizing pages, stop with the gross incivility. KellyAna (talk) 18:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Bio brown.jpg
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Your recent edits
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:CarolineCarly Jacks.jpg)
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Claudia Zacchara
This article was previously deleted (see Articles for deletion/Claudia Zacchara) - as the version you created was basically identical, it has been redeleted. To appeal this deletion, you can request it at Deletion review. Please let me know if you have any questions. Neıl ☎  21:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet
Randy, your account is only temporarily blocked, and you will be unblocked in a few days. However, if you create any further sockpuppets to avoid your block, as you did with, I will extend that block. Neıl ☎  01:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Neil, Please unblock me. I just wanted to correct Wikipedia with Carly Corinthos Jacks. It was stated before.
 * Learn the policy. She's NOT NOT NOT Jacks. If you would leave it as Carly Corinthos and not harass me you might be allowed to edit. Additionally your creation of multiple Claudia Zacchara articles along with the multiple Carly articles you created you don't deserve to have your account unblocked.  Your edits are continually disruptive they have been since you arrived. KellyAna (talk) 02:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I then pledge to no longer make any disruptive edits and promise not to attack you, KellyAnn. I still support Carly Corinthos Jacks/Carly Jacks due to the fact that ABC (Official GH Website) and Soapnet and soaps.com and others specify Carly Corinthos Jacks or Caroline Benson Jacks or Carly Jacks.
 * You still refuse to read policy WP:Common names and you still refuse not to make disruptive edits as you insist on moving a page. Seems as though you haven't learned anything. Oh, and for the record, soapcentral.com lists her as Carly Corinthos, no Jacks. Read the policy I've cited, read it and understand it. KellyAna (talk) 22:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I promised to never make disruptive edits. You have accused me of being a simpletone because I dont learn anything. I cant believe this. It is my personal opinion. ABC and the others agree on Carly Corinthos Jacks. I declare truce. You call me a sock one more time and I will report you. This is my final warning.
 * No one called you a simpleton. No one said you don't learn anything but personal opinion has no place in articles.  There is a policy that says the name a character is commonly know by all is what that character should be listed as.  Carly Corinthos is the known name.  I have also not called you a sock so your "final warning" is not appropriate and you can't report me for not doing anything.  However, you did create a new account and it was others that agreed that you were a sockpuppeteer and that account was blocked.  While you are blocked you should also look up reliable sources and, again, read the common names policy. KellyAna (talk) 23:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * How can I Trust you ? You told Neil and then when he blocked me, you said Thanks. I will not make innapropriate edits. Check out the website (ABC). THey stated Corinthos Jacks. Other articles on General Hospital also say and link to Carly Corinthos Jacks.
 * I follow policy, period. You violate policy at every turn.  Who's the trustworthy one here?  Then there's you that won't listen to POLICY OF WIKIPEDIA.  ABC's website changes, but Wikipedia stays with commonly known names. Carly Corinthos is known to many more than Carly Corinthos Jacks.  You've stated you are going to violate policy the minute you are unblocked, it's obvious you have no intention of not disrupting Wikipedia the minute you get the chance.  I told Neil thanks because you broke policy.  Abide by policy and they'll be no need for "telling." KellyAna (talk) 00:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC0)

EVEN WIKIPEDIA LINKS THEIR GH ARTICLES TO CARLY CORINTHOS JACKS. I PROMISE NOT TO DO INAAPROPRIATE EDITS THE SECOND I GET THE CHANCE. YOU ARE GLAD I AM BLOCKED BECUASE YOU WERE SAYING THANKS TO NEIL WHEN HE BLOCKED ME. JASON ROBERTS 13578 IS MY FRIEND'S ACCOUNT WHO I ASKED TO MAKE THE CLAUDIA ZACCHARA ARTICE BECAUSE SHE IS A CHARACTER. YOU ARE REALLY GOING TO BE EMBARASSED WHEN LAURA WRIGHT SAYS CARLY CORINTHOS JACKS IS HER NAME ON GH. SHE IS CREDITED AS CARLY CORINTHOS JACKS ON ABC/CTV AT THE END OF THE SHOW AT THE CREDITS. IF THAT DOESNT CONVINCE YOU, WHAT THE HECK DOES?
 * Yelling aka typing in all caps certainly doesn't help anyone believe you. As to the Claudia articles, you were told they were deleted so you telling someone else to go ahead and create the article is yet another disruptive edit and violation of policy. You just aren't getting it.  KellyAna (talk) 01:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I get it. You hate me for correcting wikipedia. Oh, that sounds wierd cause it's an ENCYCLOPEDIA. It is now Carly Corinthos Jacks in my mind. Soon, someone will change it right. I no longer trust this encyclopedia and I will send it in a chain letter, KellyAnn. Since you hate Jacks, I will call you KellyAnn Jacks. Caroline Corinthos Jacks. PERIOD.
 * Oh, I don't hate or love anything, I have no emotional attachment, I have a policy attachment and policy states what it should be. It can be whatever you want it to be in your mind, policy says different.KellyAna (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Policy meant Carly Corinthos Jacks. You mean Carly Corinthos. Kelly Ann Jacks, please, numerous official websites Indicate Corinthos Jacks. Soapnet is a FANSITE. Go check ABC out, KellyAnn Jacks.--76.69.241.254 (talk) 01:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You really do not understand. The article body can say Jacks but the page location needs to stay Carly Corinthos so everyone can find the page.  I don't know where you get that soapnet is a fansite, they are owned by ABC and are not a fansite.  Not that anyone mentioned it in the first place but you are wrong about what they are.  You should really take this time to understand policy around here so you can constructively edit when you are allowed back.  I'll actually be surprised if you aren't blocked for gross incivility again.  You're personal attacks are out of hand. KellyAna (talk) 02:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * How am i being gross (icivility), Kellyann Jacks, Anyone can finsd Corinthos Jacks because Carly Corinthos can be redirected. Oh Dry! Cassé! Next Time, try to come up with something smarter than a kindergarden child (but they may be smarter than you). ABC owns GH. ABC says Carly Corinthos Jacks. ABC SAYS. ABC says. ABC says, KellyAnn Jacks.
 * It's gross incivility. When you insist on calling me something that I am not, that incivility.  The kindergarden remark, (which by the way, it's kindergarten, not garden) is also gross incivility.  The picture isn't allowed on your page, so it's been removed.  You just keep continuing to violate policy with every comment.  Just read the policies and stop with the behavior.KellyAna (talk) 02:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Whats up with this prolonged block until April, Kelly Ann Jacks? Why am I being through this. I should be able to edit now.
 * Don't blame me, you did this to yourself. See the bottom of your page.  Yamla did it for your behavior and I didn't have a thing to do with it. KellyAna (talk) 03:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You are directly blocked, not autoblocked. Jmlk  1  7  00:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Block extended
You were caught avoiding your block by continuing to edit via. Your block has now been extended to one month as a result of your abusive actions. Please consider this your absolute last chance. Any further vandalism, block evasion, or incivility may result in you being banned permanently. --Yamla (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You are now blocked indefinitely. All your contributions will be reverted.  --Yamla (talk) 22:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

After promising to leave Wikipedia for six months, this abusive vandal immediately returned as, a transparent sockpuppet related to the blocked account,. This is another in a series of false promises by Randy Jaiyan. As he has shown over and over again that he cannot be trusted either to keep his word or to abide by Wikipedia policies and guidelines, I would no longer support unblocking him after six months, as I earlier stated. --Yamla (talk) 13:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And again here, from an IP address confirmed to belong to Randy's computer. --Yamla (talk) 14:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And of course,, etc. etc. --Yamla (talk) 16:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)