User talk:Rangasyd/Archive 1

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I've left you some comments which I hope are helpful. Good luck with the article! :) Pianotech (talk) 11:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Added info box, as suggested. Cheers. Pianotech (talk) Jherschel (talk) 12:31, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

New South Wales state election, 1925 results table - please explain?
Timeshift (talk) 22:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * SydneyRedHead (talk) What is it you wanted me to explain? Jherschel (talk) 11:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The swings? Timeshift (talk) 11:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoops... stuffed that up a little. Will fix. Thanks! (talk) Jherschel (talk) 12:01, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done. Please review and confirm its up to your standards. (talk) :-) Jherschel (talk) 12:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's standards... y'know... accurate, factual, that silly nonsense stuff :) Timeshift (talk) 14:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: election page talk
Hi there! Nice work with the candidate page (I was hoping everyone would hang off until after the declaration of candidates, but I'm used to being disappointed in this regard ;) ). This is a tiny procedural note that if you mark your talk page comments as minor they might get missed. Generally the only things you mark minor are typos, grammatical changes, fixes of your own mistakes, etc. Frickeg (talk) 11:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes. I initially entered just the shell with the 'retiring' candidates. And then people just started putting in stuff everywhere, without ANY structure. Last night it as an absolute mess. Like you, I was really hoping that people would wait until after 12pm tomorrow; but alas. So I started entering tables, to give some structure, commencing with the Senate, and then some of the HoR. Thanks for the tips with WP:OWN and minor edit. As a relatively new user, this advice is appreciated. I understand removing the Senate structure. I think I'll leave it now. Jherschel (talk) 11:38, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. In retrospect I think my comments about WP:OWN may have been a bit of an overreaction - you were really only touching at the very edge of it. This is a lesson I learnt too, and why I now don't create these pages until the declaration anymore - if you do create them and try to leave them as a shell, they tend to get overwhelmed by anonymous, good-faith IPs pretty quickly. (In future, maybe consider getting it ready in userspace? Less likely to attract general attention there.) On a general note, it's great to see you around helping out - our project is desperately short on editors and it's always good to see a new face. (My snarky comment on the talk page is not really addressed at you, by the way, more at the whole concept of the thing.) Frickeg (talk) 13:17, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * PS - the suspense is killing me! Keep an eye out for any sources on the future of Senator Kerry O'Brien - it's pretty much generally assumed that he's not running, but I can't find anything that confirms this, so we may just have to go by the fact that he won't renominate tomorrow. (Or who knows - maybe he will!) Frickeg (talk) 13:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How will you cope? Phew. Just completed Vic and SA. Someone VERY kindly added a column for FF. Now, who would that Be? Jherschel (talk)
 * PS - how do I let you know there's a message for you?
 * No worries. (I can fill in the rest of the Vic candidates if you like, to stop some IP doing it - I actually really enjoy these tables, so it's no trouble.) As to how to let me know - you can either reply at my talk page (in my signature), or you can leave a talkback template on my talk page to let me know. Frickeg (talk) 14:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm done with Vic. And for the night. As to the talkback, that was confusing. Do I just reply here? Or start a new section at talk? Starting a new section means that the conversation wouldn't flow, like it does here. Night. Jherschel (talk) 14:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Goodnight - it should all be in order now, I believe. Yeah, talkback's a bit confusing. You'd reply here, and then leave that template on my talkpage (in a new section for my page, but not for yours). So, for example, if you reply to this, you'd reply below me as usual, and then go to my talk page and add the template at the bottom of the page, which will tell me that I have messages here. Frickeg (talk) 14:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done! Like this? Jherschel (talk) 14:33, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly! Frickeg (talk) 14:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - an interesting (and rather small) set of candidates, with lots of independents and not so many minor party candidates. I noticed that we'll have some three-candidate races, the first since (I think) 1996. (By the way, you don't need to use the talkback template when you're leaving messages on my page, only when you're replying here. Leaving a message on my page will give the yellow bar to let me know I've "got mail", as it were.) As for O'Brien, I figured we'd have heard about an independent run by now, but you can never be too careful ... Frickeg (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * NSW has always been Family First's weakest state, because they have to compete with the Christian Democrats (who have held upper house seats for over twenty years), but I did think that with Gordon Moyes' defection they might have put in a bit more of an effort this year. Perhaps they're saving their energies for the state election; they know they have zero chance of winning anything federally. Frickeg (talk) 00:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Kernot
Nice work! A few minor formatting and punctuation changes: no links in subheadings, for example, and quotes needn't be in italics. The only major problem I found was a general sense of anti-Kernot POV - the section on the Democrats reads as a catalogue of her disruptive behaviour and I'm not sure the info about Gareth Evans (while it undoubtedly belongs in the article somewhere) should be in a section that is supposed to be talking about her book. This is a feeling I got the whole way through, though - it's probably largely a result of your sources, but try to balance it a bit if you can. Overall, though, nice job! Frickeg (talk) 09:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking at the diffs I see that all that POV was there before you edited it. It's still noticeable, but clearly not down to you. Frickeg (talk) 09:55, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

ACT election
Hi - I'm not stalking you, I promise! Nice work on the candidates tables (I had some in my draft page gathering dust but never got around to actually moving them across). I've made a few minor changes to keep them consistent with other tables for other states. On the other hand, I'm not sure we should be using tables (or at least the same tables) for the "candidates elected" bit; I'd say a prose explanation is probably better there. Frickeg (talk) 00:09, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, roight (rolls eyes, looks over shoulder, changes mobile number, moves house, registers with new IP addy and handle, etc)! Thanks for the feedback. I'm non-fused either way re tables for "candidates elected", although it does provide some clarity, in lieu of text. I'm all for consistency. It was getting late and I was loosing energy and focus. Hey, I did a re-work of John Stanhope. Let me know your thoughts. I believe it has too much information about his Government, and not focused on him. I guess time will tell. It also appears to have a biased POV. Jherschel (talk) 05:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing obvious with Stanhope - nice work! Frickeg (talk) 06:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice work (especially with Australian Capital Territory Electoral Commission - it's terrible that didn't exist already)! One minor thing - those stub templates should go at the bottom of articles, and none of those articles were stubs anyway (a stub is typically fewer than ten lines. Joy Burch is a stub, but Molonglo electorate is certainly not). For past members, have a look at some of the NSW seats like Electoral district of East Sydney (complex template, but it works well). As for results - we've yet to work something out for proportional seats. I've had tentative tries at the Tasmanian electorates in the past but I've never come up with anything satisfactory. It probably needs an entirely new template, but I'm afraid my markup is nowhere near that good. Maybe have a dig around and see who created some of the other election templates, and ask them if they'd mind having a go. Frickeg (talk) 12:39, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing a huge amount of POV at Andrew Barr - there's some, sure, but not too bad by and large. Of course, the article could use some work - it says almost nothing about his ministerial career. Frickeg (talk) 12:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Having a crack at some more federal election results tonight - should get a bit more done. Frickeg (talk) 13:10, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

More likely the link you clicked on to make the page had the mistake - it's a very common typo, I've dealt with (and made) a few! (I also added a quick note about Andrew Whitecross being Leader of the Opposition - about time we had that article, well done!) Frickeg (talk) 09:33, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Great to see articles on Harold Hird and Bernard Collaery, two important ACT politicians. Hird was also a member of the Legislative Assembly's predecessor, the Australian Capital Territory House of Assembly (as an independent, interestingly), but there are no internet sources on it so we don't even have member lists. Random trivia: Hird also ran on John Gorton's ticket for the Senate in 1975! Frickeg (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

ACT House
Thanks! There is nothing - absolutely zilch - on the House online. I got that list by going to the National Library and getting the old typescripts pulled out of the vaults - there was nothing in the main collection either. Hardly any of the old MLAs/MHAs have articles, except the ones that went on to become members of the new Assembly or other parliaments. I'm planning on making proper member lists eventually - but citing sources is going to be tough. Somewhere there must be a history of the body - I believe Rebecca might know something ... Frickeg (talk) 10:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed I do! There's two sources of interest. The National Library has lists of every member of the House of Assembly. Unfortunately, I once wrote it all down, but I was keeping it offline until I'd established their common names, and then I lost the lot in a hard drive crash last year. In terms of the broader history, there's a fantastic source about the history of governing institutions in the ACT - I actually own a copy that I picked up at the Bookfair one year, but I can't for the life of me remember the name. Rebecca (talk) 23:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

ACT MLAs
Keep up the good work on these! To help you out, I've been through the online Who's Who (which you have to be on university networks to get access to) to see if I can find some birthdates and full names for when you get up to the rest. Quite a lot of them aren't there anymore, so I'll have to go and look at some hard copies sometime to see if I can find them. But I've found one: I'll try and get the rest next time I'm at one of the big libraries. Frickeg (talk) 04:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Lou Westende - Laurus Vant Westende, born 28 November 1925 Heerenhook, Netherlands (settled Australia 1951)
 * I saw - well done! I had a go at making the 1989 candidates table a little more compact - it was kind of sprawling before. But it's great to see all these articles, and I remember from doing the federal ones that the candidate tables can spring up some great surprises (Peter Cundall running for the Senate as a Communist, for example). I added a little bit into Hird's bio about his previous career - he was a long-term Independent member of the House of Assembly and at the time of the 1989 election had been Speaker of that body for a few years; funny how it took him so long to get back in! Frickeg (talk) 16:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, not sure. South Australian state election, 2006 is our only featured article example, but it was written some years ago and some of the things in use there (the results tables, for example) are now deprecated. You might have to set the standard! Many of the recent election articles are a bit of a mess, actually - they generally become a bit of a cesspool during the campaign and then everyone's too fatigued to do the massive copyedit they then require. Canadian federal election, 1957 is an example of how the Canadians do it. Frickeg (talk) 13:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the terrific work you're doing on ACT politics - it's been neglected for a good couple of years, and in just a week or so, you've made a huge difference. Rebecca (talk) 11:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No majority and a hung parliament are the same thing. I'd normally say "no majority" is a bit of an odd wording, but it might make sense for the ACT - considering that every parliament in its history has been "hung", apart from 2004-2008 when both the Liberals and the crossbench got crushed - and will never happen again unless the Greens go the way of the dodo. Thoughts? Rebecca (talk) 14:41, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We should definitely be using the same for 2008 as for the others; I'm really not fussed which one we use. Pick one! :P Rebecca (talk) 01:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Husic
Many thanks - I considered nominating it for deletion, but his union work probably makes him notable anyway, and unlike Zabel he's certain of victory in two weeks' time. Frickeg (talk) 05:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

ACT electorates
Hi - just thought I'd let you know that I've redone the member tables in Brindabella electorate, Ginninderra electorate and Molonglo electorate in line with the way we've done other multi-member electorates (like Electoral district of East Sydney and Division of Bass (state)). Hope I haven't messed anything up! (I've made some of the notes more concise, too, but nothing's really been lost.) Frickeg (talk) 10:27, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Howdy. Well done. No big issues from my perspective. Like I said earlier, still on L plates here. Jherschel (talk) 12:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Quick question, would the same principle apply to Senators? And, as a result, should succession boxes for Senators (or other proportional representation seats) be completed? Jherschel (talk) 15:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In principle, yes; in practice, definitely not. A few reasons for this: first, where on earth could we put them? But more importantly, they work for Tasmania and the ACT because there are a small number of seats (up to seven) per electorate. The template could not accommodate 12 seats; they wouldn't fit. The table would be so large as to be almost impossible to decipher. As such, succession boxes are generally not used for wholly proportional chambers (in the past, though, we have applied them to seats like the aforementioned East Sydney, where they are multi-member seats in generally single-member chambers). We don't do succession boxes for senators because in general it's not possible to say who their predecessors and successors are, which is the whole point of a succession box. We do use infoboxes for senators, though, and in the case of appointments and resignations these can be used to show those cases where there is a definite predecessor or successor. Frickeg (talk) 15:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

You really are doing great work here. I know what you mean about the Greens MLAs - I did a quick copyedit of them a while ago and removed some of the most blatant stuff, including whole subheadings which had essentially nothing about the MLAs themselves and only info about the Greens, but they're still not exactly ideal. Good luck with Residents Rally - you can see how long ago the article was written by the complete lack of references (which was OK once back in the dim and distant past). (By the way - with the talkback template, you only need to use that if you reply to something on your talkpage but not on mine. It's designed to let the person know to come over and check your talk page because there are messages for them there. You don't need to use it if you're posting a message on their talkpage.) Frickeg (talk) 07:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware, the ACT Advisory Council was the predecessor to the House of Assembly, but with little direct power. It certainly needs an article, but I don't have any sources at the moment, and anyway the House of Assembly needs a lot of work in itself! Frickeg (talk) 09:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The Advisory Council was the predecessor to the House of Assembly, and existed from the early days of the territory until the 70s. It didn't have a lot of power, but was effectively the only voice people had on local issues during that time; the newspaper archives about the council make interesting reading for a history nerd like me. The book I referred to a while ago about the history of government in the ACT has a lot of material about the Advisory Council and the House of Assembly, including a complete list of members of the former. Rebecca (talk) 10:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Rebecca, whoever said you're a history nerd? Let me state that I have no political bias, but I am getting tired of the green-arm band of history of ACT politics. I've just re-worked Lin Hatfield Dodds and tried to make it a little more readable, instead of an election flyer. Jherschel (talk) 11:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The ACT perennially suffers from the same issue as SA and NT in that, with absolutely useless parliamentary pages, you've got to use what you can find elsewhere - which means you're generally getting the stuff they want you to hear. It's a shame I don't have the time I used to - it'd be good to go through Factiva and actually do these articles properly. Rebecca (talk) 12:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Really good to see you're starting on some of the ministry articles as well. It's one of our major gaps at state-level, always great to see someone willing to give them a shot. Rebecca (talk) 11:55, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm getting there. This weekend has been a little interesting - and been a welcome distraction from the minutae of ACT politics! Of course, I'm no where as 'nerdy' as you! Jherschel (talk) 13:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks like you're doing a great job - I admire your dedication! Frickeg (talk) 09:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Reply
Election time is always hideously hectic. You seem to be doing a pretty good job though - just keep going with what you're doing! Although if you want suggestions, there are a swag of new MPs who'll need articles. Frickeg (talk) 06:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * At long last, all known/expected NSW Members of the House are done. It seemed to take forever. Jherschel (talk) 12:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Really excellent work. I for one appreciate all the work you've put in. Frickeg (talk) 12:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks and no worries. BTW - you're the stellar worker! Hey, please check out discuss at Ed Husic and advise or correct. Thanks Jherschel (talk) 12:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not, with Craig Kelly (politician)? Jherschel (talk) 13:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I linked to the wrong guideline, didn't I? It's actually WP:HATNOTE (specifically WP:NAMB). Frickeg (talk) 13:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Exceptional Newcomer Award
Thanks. My mum told me that, upon receipt of a compliment, to always look the person in the eye, smile and say "thank you" :-) "Thank you" Jherschel (talk) 07:28, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Common-term linking
Hi, I see you've relinked "Australian" and "politician" in the Tony Windsor article. I see these two linked all over the place, and have unlinked the items in quite a few articles. They dilute the more important links that always lie in their vicinity at the top of articles. They are dictionary terms, and one of the WP pillars is "WP is not a dictionary". Please see WP:OVERLINKING, too.

If you have any questions, please ask me. Thanks. Tony  (talk)  11:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback on Common-term linking. As a newbie, your advice is appreciated. I noticed you do some editing work with USydney. Have you done any work with medical research @ Westmead? Jherschel (talk) 11:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * PING: I've emailed you. Tony   (talk)  13:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Treasurer of the Australian Capital Territory
Nice one! The only thing I'd say is that the "references" column is against the manual of style; in general we don't have that many cites for lists, and they usually go outside the table. If you're just keeping them there in preparation for putting them in prose, ignore everything I've just said; otherwise, you probably don't need them at all, frankly. Frickeg (talk) 11:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the feedback and suggestion. Jherschel (talk) 11:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010
Some of the material you contributed to Treasurer of the Australian Capital Territory, Westmead Hospital and Westmead Millennium Institute for Medical Research has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Check D'Amore
Hi, I'm new here... you may wish to check/reinstate/discuss edits at the D'Amore article as some parts have been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by You, Me and Everyone Else (talk • contribs) 16:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see no problem with your edits; her relationship to Tripodi is hardly defamatory! The edits by Lachso seem like pretty standard whitewashing myself, and can probably be safely reverted and ignored. Frickeg (talk) 11:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

ACT House of Assembly
I thought you might like to know I've done the member lists for the Australian Capital Territory House of Assembly (they're in a little list at the bottom). As for getting the bios done, I've managed to get birth dates but not much else, so hopefully a helpful source will present itself! Frickeg (talk) 10:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey. Thanks for that (I think!) Looks like you're doing some colouring in :-) I've been doing a few things here and there; mainly NSW by-elections and an eclectic mix of topics that I come across - some political; some not. Stuff on one of my alma maters is topical, at present. Hope all is well. Make sure your crayons don't get too wet Jherschel (talk) 09:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am indeed doing some colouring in, and let me tell you, I'm having a ball. :) Good luck with those by-elections (across the project by-election articles are a bit of a mess, so it's great that someone's having a crack!). Frickeg (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Frickeg (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2010 (UTC)