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Indigenous people of the Americas
Sorry but before your edit a large amount of sourced material was removed with the edit summary "citation needed" and to restore it I had to go back to an earlier version. Doug Weller talk 06:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * I'm sorry User:Diannaa, I forgot to add the attribution. I will avoid the mistake next time. Rantemario (talk) 23:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Your revert on the Taiwan article
The edit you reverted here was not vandalism as defined on Wikipedia in WP:VANDAL, which you linked in your edit summary. It was an attempt to tighten the section and more accurately represent the sources. I have re-instated the edit. If you have content-based objections to it, please state them. Kanguole 02:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have responded to your objections at Talk:Taiwan. Kanguole 00:57, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added a bit more – please discuss there. Kanguole 18:21, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

ARBIPA sanctions alert
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Larantuka Kingdom
Hi, I reverted your edit to the Indonesia article because the Larantuka Kingdom was only a minor entity, compared with the other topics in the list you added it to. Can I suggest that if you believe it is noteworthy that you create a Larantuka Kingdom article, with proper citations. Regards Davidelit (Talk) 14:08, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I did some literature lookup when I made Kingdom of Larantuka and while it was an interesting tidbit of history, pretty sure its presence definitely didn't affect Indonesia's history to the point where it warrants its own era. Juxlos (talk) 15:40, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you thank you thank you so much for creating Kingdom of Larantuka article! You are now officially my favorite contributor in Wikipedia. :D Ya, mungkin Kerajaan Larantuka hanya terbatas sampai Flores, tapi, apakah kerajaan sebesar itu tidak dianggap sebagai sejarah Indonesia? Dan apalagi, dengan keunikannya sebagai satu-satunya kerajaan Kristen di Indonesia bahkan di Asia Tenggara. Menurut Anda bagaimana? Salam. Rantemario (talk) 20:34, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

That's the thing. It's extremely notable but I don't think it's important enough in the grand scheme of things to make its own category in the template. The main difference between it and many small unlisted polities is the fact that it considers itself a tributary of Portugal and is Catholic - not because it fought its way up until the 20th century (Aceh), say. Tapi ya kalau menurut anda itu sesuai disana, satu kategori tersendiri, ya sudah.Juxlos (talk) 08:04, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is extremely notable and important. Maybe because there were many kingdoms in Indonesia, this one is overshadowed by the others. Dan, karena sudah sesuai dengan templat id:Templat:Sejarah Indonesia, menurut saya cocok ditempatkan di kategori sendiri (mau ditaruh dimana lagi?). Hey, sebelum kerajaan Hindu Buddha, Indonesia juga mempunyai its own Prehistoric societies, and have its own category. Wikipedia is all about spreading information, no matter how "big" or "small" it is. Rantemario (talk) 13:15, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Discussion invite
Hello. I invite you to join a centralized discussion about naming issues related to China and Taiwan. Szqecs (talk) 06:09, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Bali
Apa anda ada sumber bahwa Bali punya bendera provinsi? Hddty. (talk) 08:02, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Please note
Re: Indonesia

You are likely to have sanctions (again) -
 * You have it all in the wrong order


 * Accusing another editor of being a Vandal and Ownership in an edit summary - bad faith and WP:PA
 * Reverting another editor and saying take it to your personal talk page -


 * The subject actually is Indonesia - that is where the discussion is taken, not your talk page - that is Ownership on your part
 * Reverting in the way it was done is not Vandalism

Take care - hati hati - you need to understand the words more carefully - and their use. Your not touching the Indonesia article again and going to talk page and explaining in the talk page (as opposed to the edit summary) might show you can exercsie WP:AGF and show that you understand the mechanisms of what WP:NOT means. Thanks for that JarrahTree 09:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Christian creeds revert on Christianity article
Can you tell me why did you revert my edit "of some denominations" with an explanation that there is no citation when the whole paragraph of Christian creeds doesn't have a citation? Why didn't you delete the whole paragraph then? Thinker78 (talk) 18:25, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Francis Xavier
Would you describe Julius Caesar as Italian? Historical names are always used, not current names. GiantSnowman 16:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Re:Thank you for the Christianity Barnstar!
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 * Dear, I'm glad that I can help WikiProject Christianity. I wish you a very merry jolly Christmas too! With love, Rantemario (talk) 17:32, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Bittrex
Hello Rantemario,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Bittrex for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=&action=edit&section=new&preload=Template:Hangon_preload&preloadtitle=This+page+should+not+be+speedy+deleted+because...+ contest this deletion], but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Owlsmcgee (talk) 09:01, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * This page should not be speedily deleted because... This is another cryptocurrency exchange like Kraken (bitcoin exchange), Coinbase, and Poloniex. Why does this article deemed "unimportant" and have to be deleted and the others not? --Rantemario (talk) 09:13, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Cryptocurrency and Blockchain general sanctions
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St Andrew's Cathedral, Singapore
Please do not put a non-official language in Singapore article. Per MOS:FORLANG, non-English language should only be added when it is closely associated, and Indonesian is not closely associated with the cathedral. Otherwise anyone can also add Filipino and other languages, and it will become a mess. Hzh (talk) 10:08, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

See also WP:PLACE, foreign language names may be permitted if they are or is. Are there 10% of sources in Indonesian or are there 10% of Singapore population? Is Indonesian a local official name? Hzh (talk) 10:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

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Revert Balinese Hinduism
How about Staatblad no.226 July 1, 1929? I think caste section too confuse, some reference i read explain Balinese using caturwangsa or triwangsa. Btw, triwangsa not thrice born, tri=3, wangsa=dynasty.

Thanks for ur time, let's remove disambiguation. Chinamoonroll (talk) 23:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


 * User:Chinamoonroll, Aku tak terlalu mengerti tentang Hindu Bali dan detailnya, tapi kalau kamu tahu apa yang sebenarnya dan detail itu bagus, kamu bisa masukkan ke Wikipedia, ASAL kamu jangan ketik itu tulisan menurut pikiran mu sendiri. Karena itu memang sudah aturan dari No original research. Jadi kamu kalau mau edit, tolong masukkan referensi" yang diperlukan misalnya kamu tulis klaim sesuatu harus ada referensi untuk membackup, karena Wikipedia ada aturannya. Kamu bisa masukkan referensi dengan menggunakan tag . Happy editing! :-) Rantemario (talk) 22:22, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * User:Rantemario, Aku masih belajar juga, ibarat skripsi mau apa-apa harus ada referensi, btw aku kebingungan mau upload photo sama ketentuan gimana ya?

Chinamoonroll (talk) 13:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

User:Chinamoonroll, memang Wikipedia itu bagaikan membuat skripsi. Setiap klaim yang kita tulis harus bisa kita pertanggungjawabkan. Karena Wikipedia adalah ensiklopedia untuk umat manusia. Jadi, lain kali kamu edit" harus ada sumbernya, ya. Untuk foto paling aman kamu upload foto 100% karyamu sendiri. Selamat datang di Wikipedia, semoga kamu betah. :) Rantemario (talk) 06:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Editor buat sejarah perang di Bali siapa ya? Aku agak bingung sama perang Edisi perangnya. Sejarah Bali yang pas sih di https://id.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejarah_Bali masalahnya ga bisa berkaitan setiap halamannya Chinamoonroll (talk) 02:12, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Wah User:Chinamoonroll, aku kurang tahu ya. Aku kurang suka main di Wikipedia Indonesia hehehe. Aku lihat itu artikel parah banget, gak ada referensinya sama sekali. Kalau di Wikipedia English pasti udah di speedy delete itu artikel. Wkwkwk. Kamu bisa lihat siapa" editornya di https://id.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sejarah_Bali&action=history . Coba kamu konfrontasi satu" untuk berargumen dan tuntut dari mana mereka dapat klaim" informasi demikian. Rantemario (talk) 04:45, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Ga ada respon dari orang-orang sana, emang yang bahasa inggris lebih rapi sih, aku klo mau baca wiki milih yang bahasa inggris sih, kecuali yang bahasa inggrisnya kurang lengkap atau ga ada terpaksa. Chinamoonroll (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

July 2018
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 * User:Crisco 1492 What is your problem? What resolution are you in? The article looks fine in my 1366x768 monitor on Mac. If you think that those pictures are unnecessary, why don't you delete them all? Please find the middle ground so we both can agree in. Rantemario (talk) 06:54, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * My resolution is 1920*1080. When we are writing for Wikipedia, we need to recognize that our display resolution is not universal, and thus what shows up well for us will not necessarily show up well for everyone.
 * We are fortunate that, in the four years since this list passed Featured List, a lot of new images have become available. John Lie, for example, had no image of him until I found a copy of Jalesveva Jayamahe at the used books market; several of the other heroes are in a similar position. But we need to practice self-control.
 * That your thoughts go immediately to "all or nothing", and this after you accuse me of furthering an anti-Christian bias, suggests that we won't reach a "middle ground". The images in the list need more work than simple pruning (going back into alphabetical order, for example), and I don't see myself doing that with someone whose first response is to assume bad faith and accuse me of religious discrimination. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Rantemario, let me just add that you should really stop with the personal attacks, such as this and this. Drmies (talk) 16:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

OK guys I am sorry if I accused you of bad faith. Sometimes I'm a little bit aggressive in Wikipedia, you know, because of the vandals and stuff. :( Rantemario (talk) 05:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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parent cats
balinese hinduism is in hinduism - surely there is no need to add a parent and child cat? JarrahTree 23:22, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

rather than reverting my revert which leads you into WP:3RR and edit warring - try discussing first. Parent cats are not added unless you can show some very good reason reason why - just adding shows you might not understand category trees work.

Please try explaining why you did the placement of a parent cat with a child cat. Do you understand what I am saying? JarrahTree 23:27, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

As you are not answering, I take your revert as a very uninformed and poor understanding of the parent child cat issue. JarrahTree 23:29, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Yang pertama - artikel - dalam - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hinduism_in_Bali  - ini cukup - bagaimana?  sebab: -
 * Hinduism in Bali is in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hinduism_in_Indonesia and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Religion_in_Bali
 * Hinduism in Indonesia is in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hinduism_by_country and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hinduism_in_Southeast_Asia
 * in turn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hinduism_in_Asia and


 * To sidestep the category tree and and add 'hinduism' - is not normal WP:CATEGORISATION practice, it gives undue emphasis of the balinese form over and above all the content forms of hinduism the other countries.

There is no explanation anywhere, in the article, your lack of edit summary, or anywhere, as to why the balinese form is something that requires emphasis over and above all other forms the practice in southeast or asia in generalJarrahTree 23:50, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Good points. Okay i am sorry. Rantemario (talk) 03:34, 25 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Please never apologise - please - learn !!! JarrahTree 04:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * Catholic Church article uses British English Oxford spelling. Rantemario (talk) 04:28, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bittrex


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Recent edits
Hi, Your edits show a consistent endeavour to push a particular viewpoint. Threats aside, please remember that Wikipedia is not a platform to promote a specific belief system. Please discuss controversial changes. Thank you. Davidelit (Talk) 02:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't even have a bias or promote a faith on Wiki. I don't care. I always adhere to WP:NPOV. It is YOU that seem to keep deleting anything Christian. I don't care if you're converted Muslim now living in Indonesia. I really don't care about your religion. Just please don't do disruptive editing and reverting people's edits just because you feel like it. Rantemario (talk) 06:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi. Well, there shouldn't be anything Christian on Wikipedia, any more than there should be anything capitalist, Islamic or communist. Wikipedia is about facts. I hope we can agree on that. You still need citations to back up changes. Thanks. Davidelit (Talk) 07:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Rantemario! Not quite unrelated to the exchange above: I don't know if you have it on your watchlist, but an IP is up to a slow edit war in Buginese people. Maybe you can help out to have an eye on it, because the POV-pushing goes in a similar direction. –Austronesier (talk) 18:20, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll add that article on my watchlist. Rantemario (talk) 06:45, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Requesting some article expansion help
Greetings,

It seems you also work on articles related to Indonesia, I was looking for article expansion help at articles like Islamic advice literature, Draft:Aurats (word) an article about historical linguistics and in article  several sections are in need of expansion, besides presently those do not have   coverage about Indonesian. Please do visit those articles as and when time permits you and pl. do help in article expansions if those topics interest you.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 08:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I don't have enough knowledge about Islam nor the interest for it to contribute to your said articles. Rantemario (talk) 10:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Pembalikan
Halo, apakah bisa berikan justifikasi kenapa suntingan saya dibalikkan? Saya menyertakan rujukan pada suntingan saya. Wirjadisastra (talk) 16:37, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Benerin dulu itu formatnya berantakan gak sesuai dengan standar wikipedia. Rantemario (talk) 16:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Bisa beritahukan bagian mana yang berantakan dan standar mana yang jadi pedoman Anda sehingga menyatakan suntingan saya berantakan? Wirjadisastra (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Bisa lihat sendiri kan dimana typonya di ? coba bandingkan dengan artikel lain sebuah negara misal united kingdom. wikipedia ada standarnya gak boleh suka-suka tulis artikel. Rantemario (talk) 16:48, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oke. Terima kasih. Typo saya betulkan. Wirjadisastra (talk) 16:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Recognised national languages itu kok ada bahasa indonesia ? Rantemario (talk) 17:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Preview dulu lah, double check, jangan langsung save. Rantemario (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Bahasa Indonesia kan memang bahasa nasional. Btw, kamu bisa bantu betulkan loh kalau ada yang salah alih-alih main revert. Wirjadisastra (talk) 17:04, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Aish, coba kau lihat infobox negara UK itu format infobox yg benar. jangan sampai kamu dibanned karena dianggap vandal karena dianggap ngerecoki atau berantakin artikel wiki. Rantemario (talk) 17:06, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Benar versimu itu bagaimana? Coba edit lah biar aku tahu. Wirjadisastra (talk) 17:10, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Indonesian province motto
May I know why you are removing the transcription of the provinces' motto without giving an explanation? For now I'll put it back until you can give a reasonable explanation. Thank you. Cal1407 (talk) 06:58, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * OK sorry. Rantemario (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hatnotes and see alsos
You have restored several hatnotes which purport to distingush Javanese things from Japanese things: language, script, and people.

Keep in mind the purpose of hatnotes:
 * Mention other topics and articles only if there is a reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind. [my emphasis]

It is not clear to me what scenario you have in mind -- perhaps that someone types "Javanese" into a search engine when they intended to type "Japanese"? That seems farfetched. Just because they're distinguished by a single letter doesn't mean that it's a common error.

Beyond that, you've also restored a See Also link on Indonesia-Japan relations to the Japanese people article. But the Indonesia-Japan relations article is about states, not about individuals. That change was reverted by another editor, and I hope you'll accept that as consensus.

I don't know your motivations, but all this certainly smells like spam -- trying to increase the visibility of Java-related articles by linking to them from Japan-related articles. --Macrakis (talk) 20:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


 * it is YOU what is your problem. that disambiguation links to avoid people confusing javanese and Japanese have been there since forever. why did u suddenly remove them all ? you don't need to know my motivation, just so u know that I am a proud native Indonesian. no offence, but u are not even Japanese nor javanese. you're greek. Rantemario (talk) 01:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Let's keep the discussion about the issue, not about personalities. How long those dab links have been there is irrelevant. The question is whether they're useful to our readers. The fact that you are a "proud native Indonesian" isn't relevant either.
 * So, to get back to the question, what evidence do you have that Javanese and Japanese are commonly confused? --Macrakis (talk) 15:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It's been two weeks now, and you've presented no evidence that Japanese and Javanese are commonly confused. --Macrakis (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Sarah Azhari
I invite you to please join the discussion at Talk:Sarah Azhari.

Hello, we are seeking help with the Sarah Azhari article, created in 2013 & recently the subject of a deletion proposal. At issue was whether or not the Indonesian language sources establish notability. I am inviting you to the discussion at Talk:Sarah Azhari because you are in the Category:User id-N & have a minimum of 1,000 edits across all Wikimedia projects.

I realize that some of you are very busy while others may no longer be editing. Nevertheless, I thought it wise to consult with you.

Thank your for the work that you do on Wiki[mp]edia! Peaceray (talk) 21:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Rantemario! By now you might know that I appreciate your passion about topics that are of concern for you, but frankly, this edit summary of yours went too far. It was quite rude and inappropriate. We have a consensus in WT:INDONESIA about script cruft, and simply applied this rationale to various province articles regardless of which kind of script, thus also including Arabic-derived Jawi. So please don't make such hasty conclusions about other editors "motives" (as in this case, apparently, just because they have a Muslim user name). Austronesier (talk) 21:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


 * OK, sorry lol. Rantemario (talk) 01:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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