User talk:Ranze/2017

Rename media requests
Rename media requests should be placed at the top of file pages, rather than file talk pages. I went ahead and fixed the request you made in regard to File:Lucy of the Southern Rainbow.jpg. Best Regards and Happy New Year, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 05:49, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Gender-based editing
I see that you thought it was a good idea to return to editing at People v. Turner and related articles, despite your visit to WP:AE not long ago when you were editing there. This article falls under discretionary sanctions for gender-related disputes and controversies, and I consider your editing to be agenda-driven and unacceptable. Given the number of times and places we've had to deal with your behavior problems already, you can expect a lengthy block if you continue. -- Laser brain  (talk)  02:09, 7 February 2017 (UTC)


 * in special:diff/729932574 I was told restrictions on gender-based editing as a result of Gamergate (which the Turner case has nothing to do with) ended 10 months ago.
 * The only agenda I have is neutral truthful editing. Not reaching the same conclusions doesn't mean either of us has any malicious agenda. Ranze (talk) 09:10, 7 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Your topic ban expired. But discretionary sanctions are active for gender-based disputes and controversies and you can be sanctioned at any time for poor behavior in that topic area. You've had your warning. -- Laser brain  (talk)  15:07, 7 February 2017 (UTC)


 * you haven't explained why my behavior on this article poor, or how the People v. Turner case qualifies as a dispute. All criminals have genders and all victims have genders. You appear to be threatening to levy for a block if I continue editing the article in any way whatsoever, since you haven't specified what changes you want to see in my editing to the article. Telling someone their editing is unacceptable doesn't instruct them on the specifics of your objection. Ranze (talk) 18:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Your edits reveal an obvious bias toward softening Turner's image and role in the crime and marginalizing the victim. If you honestly believe you are engaging in "neutral truthful editing", you are not. I would advise you to disengage from that article and select topics that have nothing to do with gender-based controversies. Deliberately or not, I don't believe you are capable of editing neutrally in that topic area. The matter is not up for debate. If you continue to make such edit there or at related articles, you will be blocked. You will be able to appeal to WP:AE in that case. -- Laser brain  (talk)  19:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

so you are threatening to make a unilateral choice to block me if I make any edit whatsoever there?

My edits to people v. Turner are not gender based. I would be making then same ones if Brock was Bailey or Emily was Elmer. Both sexes can be drunk. Both sexes have fingers. Both sexes can be penetrated without consent.

I don't see how you can twist this to be about gender. This is also a Male v. Males conflict in terms of the court case given that the first two witnesses for the prosecution were the male Swedish exchange doctorate students out cycling. Or female v female since Brock's girlfriend was used as a character witness.

Equally stating both were drunk in the opening is not softening his image any more than doing so later in the article does. If anything the omission of his drunkenness in the lede is suspicious in the other direction.

I am not interested in marginalizing Emily Doe, just stating known facts in their known context. It is not our job to engage in original research and synthesize conclusions. I want to verify that we are not doing that or giving undue weight to sources which do so over those that don't.

I don't think it is right for you to make personal attacks speculating I have dishonest motives about this article. You are interfering with the actual discussion of references and case details here.

Your objections to my edits should necessarily address specifics instead of broad generalizations you speculate just because impartiality doesn't seem adequately anti-Brock to you.

As an admin do you enjoy carte Blanche in launching ad hominem attacks like this? Why do you call me a softener for wanting to say they were both drunk instead of calling those who only want to say she was drunk hardeners?

What is the "marginalize" accusation based in? Wanting information about her conciousness in context is not doing that. Someone posited in thr tslk page that a medical professional made that conclusion so i will folloe up by asking who/when.

I wilk try harder to have more extensive talk page attempts to consolidate ideas prior to making more extensive edits there.

What I.ask is if you could simply clarify your objections to me. Assume I may be capable of improving if I am wrong. Assume you may also be capable of erring in judgment.

Are you not interested in proactive resolution? Are you biding up examples only to use against me if I appeal an action you take, but not willing to use them to educate me now?

I will deter direct editing (but not talk) long enough for you to make better explanations and observations about this article. If you have enough specifics to argue a case, you won't have much of one if it is clear you made minimal effort to communicate those specifics. Ranze (talk) 08:40, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

February 2017
To enforce an arbitration decision and for continuing to push your POV and agenda in the gender-based controversy topic area after being advised not to, you have been blocked from editing for a period of 3 months. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page:. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. Laser brain  (talk)  13:13, 12 February 2017 (UTC)  Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."

I have transcribed this unblock request to WP: AE --Kyohyi (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * thank you. I'm a bit rushed to respond to everything LM said, but will point out one very easy to spot dishonesty in special:diff/765296931
 * "Changes wording from "sexually penetrated ... with his fingers" to "digitally penetrated" which was wikilinked to fingering (sexual act), an article about a consensual sexual technique."
 * The article had nothing at all specifying that it was consensual only, LB is wrong. Also: when this concern was raised to me, I did special:diff/764094493 to clarify that fingering is assault when there is not consent given for it. Do we need disclaimers like this on every article about every different kind of sex act lest people make these unfounded arguments that they somehow imply ONLY consented-to activities? Ranze (talk) 07:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

/ re special:diff/765298663 claim "the editor has made no edits to this page which had any other effect" can be easily refuted if you dig back to last year's history, around June>September 2016. For example in July special:diff/728557737 you can see I introduced the information of the "11 out of 15" assessment on the Glascow Coma Scale made by the paramedic Shaohsuan Fanchiang (nicknamed Steven) how would this edit qualify as an edit minimizing Turner's culpability? Ranze (talk) 07:39, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If you have to go all the way back to last year to find a single edit which doesn't advance a particular POV, you're not doing a good job defending yourself. Furthermore, this edit still advances the POV you've been pushing. Higher ratings on the Glasgow scale indicate greater consciousness, contrary to the implications you attached it. A score of 11 means symptoms similar to being woken from a nap. In that same edit, you also started discussing the victim's intoxication levels by throwing out a lowball before throwing in enough variants on the more accurate, higher numbers, which has the obvious effect of bringing all of the numbers into doubt. This edit only serves to demonstrate my point further. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  13:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

re special:diff/765357282 when you said I "removed that the victim was unconscious" in special:diff/763624125 that was because it was unnecessarily repetitive. "Turner was apprehended by two Stanford international students from Sweden, who testified that they intervened because the woman appeared to be unconscious" was already there, and actually specific to how that conclusion is reached. If it is reached from other factors, I believe we should state those factors and then say "several testified that she was unconscious" or something along those lines. It is more neutral to present evidence like that when speaking about things contested by the defendant. As for your proposal that it was suffused with "class privilege", maybe, considering he was a school athlete, but that's not gender-based. If you are alleging that a light sentence resulted from being male, can you prove that by showing that women are receiving heavier sentences for charges like these? Ranze (talk) 09:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

ZQ for Pt4th
re special:diff/765037648 the clear problem is a minor one, one of omission. Present reading:
 * an American video game developer, programmer, writer, and artist

about page:
 * an award-winning writer, comedian, game developer, and activist

I just noticed "comedian" is present there too, but not on the article yet. Presently it reflects the writer/game developer ones. We also list artist/programmer even though the about page lacks it (possibly because those were jobs done during game development and included under the umbrella?)

To supplement that I found some sources which append labels to activist. First you have supportive/neutral ones...

Then some from conservative sites for balance

While there doesn't appear to be any clear consensus on the best way to describe the activism, numerous sources agree with calling her one, supporting her calling herself one on the website. It seems notable to include that label and 'activist' categories for that reason.

Come to think of it... this could probably be a section apart from "Harassment and Gamergate". Being called upon to speak to congress / the united nations is much more than simply passively being harassed, it's taking an active prominent speaking role to major groups and seems like it would be a followup section. Ranze (talk) 10:13, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Please do not restore blatant promotional material on the article Dalton Castle
Please do not restore blatant promotional material on the article Dalton Castle as you did with this edit last year. It is ridiculously unencyclopedic to include on a biographical article a list of individual merchandise items which is sold by the article's subject. The fact that sources can be found to prove that the merchandise items exist is irrelevent and it's pretty damn obvious that the list of merchandise was only added to the article in order to advertise it.

And please take care when reverting the edits of IP editors. The fact that a user is not logged into Wikipedia does not automatically indicate lack of knowledge of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. 79.65.127.77 (talk) 16:11, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I have no intention of reverting you, but must protest that I did not make that edit with any intent to advertise sales, it was simply the easiest way to confirm a specific gimmick aspect. Ranze (talk) 07:30, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction
appealing directly to your talk page isn't something I can do for ~3months. I found this argument pretty one-sided because people were able to make statements about me and while I rebutted them above on the talk page, those were not conveyed to be easily read by the other commentators.

Why is it okay to impose an indefinite topic ban when it's not even clear I was violating the policy on gender-based articles in the first place?

Peacemaker proposed the idea on the 14th, boing and Ed back it on the 15th, and you carry it through on the 16th? That seems pretty rushed.

I feel like I'm being punished simply for questioning the actions of an administrator. Why isn't a 3 month block enough so that afterward I can make more reserved edits in articles which fall under this uber-wide scope since it's so unspecific?

Laser brain said the question of whether it is a "gender-based controversy" isn't really as important as the question of whether Ranze is behaving poorly which I agree with LB about.

More than voting should be involved with supporting the notion that a person is agenda-pushing. Actual proof should be given, and that should be done without stating falsehoods.

LB and others like MjolnirPants (example special:diff/765622390 calls my presenting the factual data of the 11/15 GCS rating as being agenda-pushing) in this discussion cherry-picked edits and ignored neutral edits I made (like the Glascow Coma Scale which I mention above)

Valid concerns from editors like and  and  and  seemed to have been overlooked in the consensus process. I get the sense you ignored these in favor of focusing on the objections made nearer to the bottom of the discussion.

regardless of what articles fall under discretionary sanctions (which weren't well explained to me prior to the block, and I'm still having trouble understanding now) the gist of it seems to be that the policies apply when you're making bad edits, and I still don't think I was doing that. When editors disagree about content it isn't fair to arbitrarily declare one side of it to be agenda-pushing to shut down the discussion.

Why should sanctions be enforced, a topic ban applied, for something like mentioning both were intoxicated in the intro when this is elaborated upon later in the article already?

I can take apart every objection that was made. Laser and others jump all over the place to make it seem like they have a multifaceted argument to distract how each is a strawman. Ranze (talk) 08:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of The it girl


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Speedy deletion nomination of List of sex gangs


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Your draft article, Draft:Afterlife Empire


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Brock Allen listed at Redirects for discussion
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Where to write on "Forced circumcision of children"?
There's an article "Forced circumcision" in Wikipedia categorized under "Violence against men". But the entire article talks about forced circumcision of adult men in different areas of the world. And the "Forced circumcision" article doesn't address forced circumcision of children. The Wikipedia article "Circumcision" categorized under "Surgical procedures" doesn't address forced circumcision of children either.

Most of the forced circumcisions are committed against child, pre-teen and teen boys rather than against adults, where the children are either physically forced or are tricked to undergo the procedure. And in many cultures, these circumcisions are done by non-medical traditional operators with non-surgical instruments, and often with no anesthesia.

Video evidences provided below-

Video evidence 1 – Forced circumcision of Muslim boy in Asia by illiterate traditional operator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkyjZ1kTNU0&t=6s

Video evidence 2 – Forced circumcision of child/teen boys in Africa by illiterate local operators: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jziT0kK_t-8

Video evidence 3 – Bangladeshi Muslim child boy try to defend physically but no luck to prevent his forced circumcision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMe7lTc8PQM

Video evidence 4 - Forced circumcision of an Indian Muslim boy (boy screaming loud in extreme pain, but everybody surrounding is laughing, having fun): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISXDzw3DN5I

Video evidence 5 - Bangladeshi Muslim boy can’t bear the pain of his forced circumcision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3JV1s61b4o

Video evidence 6 - The scream of this boy seems to be very funny for Bangladeshi Muslims, so they were all laughing during the violent ordeal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTAlXGQoXkw

Video evidence 7 - Video of forced circumcision being taken against the wishes of the Indian Muslim boy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWoUHZ_gX0Q

The above videos are disturbing. Voices of the boys are clear. Attacks on them are brutal. Lots of forced circumcision videos have been uploaded to Youtube and many are being uploaded everyday.

In Video 3, we see a child is trying to physically defend himself from forced circumcision, but his family members are shouting at him and physically forcing him to undergo the procedure.

In Video 7, the boy who was being forcibly circumcised requested his family members not to take video of the violence. A female family member promised not to take video of the offense. But actually they filmed the entire operation and uploaded the video to Youtube. Even though it’s illegal to upload such video of a child in internet, the offenders made it clear that they are not afraid of law or court.

About the “Video 1”, the title of the above video in Youtube is “Funny Khatna 2016”. In Islam, “Khatna” means “Circumcision”. And for “UBAID UR REHMAN”, a fundamentalist Muslim, the uploader of the video, the screaming of the boy during his un-anesthesized circumcision was so funny. So he titled the video as “Funny Khatna 2016”. Also, about the Video 6, Monoar Bin ahmed, a Bangladeshi Muslim, the uploader of the video, titled the video as "fun:......"

Often in a forced circumcision case, we see a boy is screaming and people surrounding him are laughing. For example, in video 4 and in video 6, we see a boy is screaming loud in extreme pain during his forced circumcision, but everybody surrounding him is laughing and having fun with this.

Now the question is that where to write on "Forced circumcision of children" in Wikipedia?

1. Is it appropriate to create an additional article titled "Forced circumcision of children"?

Or, 2. Is it appropriate to write on "Forced circumcision of children" in the Wikipedia article "Forced circumcision"?

Or, 3. Is it appropriate to write on "Forced circumcision of children" in the Wikipedia article "Circumcision"?

Topic is posted here in Talk:Circumcision

Abir Babu (talk) 11:29, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "Male Genital Mutilation"?
The Wikipedia page Male Genital Mutilation is redirected to the Wikipedia page "Genital modification and mutilation" .

Though the Wikipedia article Genital modification and mutilation addresses the definition and examples of "Female Genital Mutilation" explicitly, the article doesn't address any such thing as "Male Genital Mutilation". The article doesn't address any definition for "Male Genital Mutilation" and doesn't even address offenses such as "Penectomy", "Castration", "Penile subincision", "Male infibulation", "Male genital piercing and tatooing" as a genital mutilation. This only sends a message that Wikipedia considers as there is no such thing as "Male Genital Mutilation".

Though some forms of male genital cutting may not be considered a mutilation in some cultures, this doesn't mean that there is no such thing as "Male Genital Mutilation" and Wikipedia can't have a page titled "Male Genital Mutilation". The page Male Genital Mutilation should be an independent page like Female Genital Mutilation page and will represent offenses such as "Penectomy", "Castration", "Penile subincision", "Male infibulation", "Male genital piercing and tatooing" etc.

The topic is posted in Talk:Male genital mutilation

Abir Babu (talk) 11:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

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