User talk:RaulMiller

I moved 99 Bottles of Beer computer program J Writeup to User:RaulMiller/99 Bottles of Beer computer program J Writeup. It's really not an encyclopedic page, and presents no context at all (not even links to J Programming language). If you need to make draft pages, you should do so under your own userspace (for instance User:RaulMiller/Sandbox).

Also, computer source code is generally not considered suitable content for Wikipedia, it would usually go to Wikisource instead. -- Curps 16:08, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm... that was just a stub, which I was in the process of fleshing out. In the future, I'll use my own area for such things.  For now, I'm mildly concerned because the subsequent edit seems to have been lost without a trace.


 * As an aside, I'm not sure that it's computer source, since I'd intended it as a narrative describing the nature of the J program on the bottles of beer page. Anyways, I'll hold off on making any further changes to it until I get a better idea of what should be done.  RaulMiller 16:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Since articles can be edited by more than one person, the Wikipedia software usually detects edit conflicts. When you try to save a page that someone else has edited in the meantime, you get a notice that announces the edit conflict. The top edit window shows the current contents (after the other person's edits), while below, your changes appear. You can then (manually) incorporate your edits into the top edit window before re-saving. However, if you don't do so, your edit remains unsaved.

Similarly, if you try to save a page that someone else has deleted in the meantime, the software should warn you and ask if you really want to save the page, but let you proceed and save it if you wish. I believe the software does so, although I've never personally encountered this situation.

Can you describe exactly what happened when you tried to save the page... what error messages or warning pages did you see, and what action you took at that point? -- Curps 18:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I tried this: I created a test page, then opened it up for editing, then used another browser window to delete it, then tried to save in the first window.

I got an error window that said:

User Curps (talk) deleted this article after you started editing with reason:


 * content was: 'yadda yadda yadda...' (and the only contributor was 'Curps')

Please confirm that really want to recreate this article.

&lt;&lt;&lt;checkbox&gt;&gt;&gt; Recreate

Edit summary: &lt;&lt;&lt;text input&gt;&gt;&gt; -

When I clicked on the Save page button without checking the "Recreate" checkbox, it came back with the same window. I then checked the "Recreate" chckbox and clicked on Save page again, and the page got saved correctly. -- Curps 18:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I did not save the window where this happened, and I'm not completely sure I trust my memory. However, I think I remember that I wound up on the redirected page.  My original impression was that I'd saved the changes, but then been redirected by the redirect on that page.  But when tried to retrieve the edit history on the page where I thought the edit had been made, I didn't see anything.  Anyways, thanks for the feedback! -- RaulMiller 18:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I guess it depends on when exactly you tried to save. I redirected the page at 16:06 UTC, left a note on your talk page at 16:08, and deleted the redirection pointer at the original page at 16:09.

By the way, with respect to my original message above, I did nominate the page 99 Bottles of Beer computer program to be moved to Wikisource using Wikipedia's standard "articles for deletion" procedure. If you disagree, you can add your comments at Articles for deletion/99 Bottles of Beer computer program, and over the next week or so other folks will probably weigh in with their assessments and opinions. -- Curps 18:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I definitely tried to save after you left the note on my talk page. I remember looking at the note prior to saving.  But I don't know the precise time I tried to save.  (And note that my primary concern here is understanding the nature of the save mechanism.)


 * And, while I'm not completely sure what I think about moving the main bottles of beer computer program page to Wikisource, for the most part I think moving it is a good idea -- it's not really encyclopedic in character as it currently stands (except as an illustration). RaulMiller 19:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Remarks about style
Thank you for your addition to cross product. I moved it at the bottom, to make it appear more integrated. If you disagree, we can discuss. And some remarks about style. One should make variables italic, so n instead of n. Also, when making links, there is no need to write parity. Simply parity is enough. Enjoy! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2005 (UTC)