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Ephebophilia
I reverted your removal of the distinguish note between pedophilia and ephebophilia. My reasoning being that it is not POV. It is not a "claim" that ephebophilia is not pedophilia; it is a fact. The Pedophilia article does the same distinguishing at the top of its article as well. Because some people confuse the two, unless it is a sexual/romantic attraction to an 18-year-old or a 19-year-old...as opposed to a 17-year-old. Because, you know, some people act as though there is some huge physical difference age-wise between those ages when it involves which is a legal adult.

Is the reason you feel distinguishing is not needed at the top of this article is because it is already distinguished in its lead? Or is it because the lead basically says some people call ephebophilia pedophilia? I mean, just because some people call them the same thing does not make it POV to say that they are not the same thing, not when it is fact that they are not the same thing. Flyer22 (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If a distinction between these "-philia" should be made in either of these articles, there should sources confirming it. Just adding that template is not an argument to skip the need to have information on Wikipedia verifiable.  As the lead in the article clearly states, in many contexts/many people don't accept that distinction and it should therefore be sourced.
 * / Raven in Orbit (t | c) 19:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

There are sources confirming it
A source in the article confirms it and many in the Pedophilia article confirm it. Just because some people are too ignorant to educate themselves on these matters or too lazy to distinguish does not give any weight to their calling "these philias" the same thing. Facts cannot be argued. 17 is clearly not the same thing as 7. Flyer22 (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What source? Paedophilia is a controversial topic and most people have an opinion. The article is saying "ages 15-19".  There are many ways of defining "children".  Please, again, make sure there are references for information you think should be in the article.
 * / Raven in Orbit (t | c) 20:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Does not matter
Again, there is a source in the article and plenty are in the Pedophilia article. Pedophilia being a controversial topic does not stop the fact that it is not the same thing as ephebophilia. There being many ways of defining children does not stop the fact that pedophilia is a sexual preference for prepubescent children. Being romantically/sexually attracted to a 17-year-old is not a mental disorder, especially since 17 looks no physicallly different age-wise than 18. If being romantically/sexually attracted to mid to late teenagers is a mental disorder, then it would mean that many normal people have a mental disorder. Brad Pitt as well, since he dated a 17-year-old Juliette Lewis when he was in his late 20s. Furthermore, ephebophilia is the primary or exclusve sexual preference for mid to late teenagers, which is different from a random romantic/sexual attraction to teenagers anyway, but it is still not a mental disorder and is still not pedophilia. Flyer22 (talk) 20:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Says who? I can find refs for "late adolescence, ages 15-19"; another for "pro-pedophile activist Frits Bernard"; yet another for "gay support magazine Vriendschap"; and lastly one for "crediting it to Hirschfeld though giving no exact date". There are no references in Ephebophilia supporting the claims that this is not pedophilia.  No matter what your opinion is, bring a credible source to make it verifiable.  Your are saying it is not a mental disorder &mdash; sorry I can't trust you, bring references!
 * FYI : This is being discussed at Talk:Ephebophilia
 * / Raven in Orbit (t | c) 20:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to trust me, valid sources back up "my claims"
You keep saying bring a source when a source is in the Ephebophilia article, as well as in the Pedophilia article. Many are in the Pedophilia article. Why haven't you taken this discussion there as well, to object to it being distinguished there? Is it because you know that they are not the same thing? A number of sources can be pulled from that article saying that it is not the same thing. Valid sources saying that pedophilia is the sexual preference for prepubescent children is proof that it is not the same thing as ephebophilia. By saying those words, it is saying that it is not the same thing. If it were, the Ephebophilia article wouldn't exist. I cannot even believe you are suggesting that a sexual attraction to 17-year-olds and even 18 and 19-year-olds is the same as pedophilia, especially when adults having sex with those ages is perfectly legal in many states in America. America does not allow pedophilia, which is why Age of consent is not 7 or anything close to it. Yeah, to the talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 21:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Answered on Talk:Ephebophilia.
 * / Raven in Orbit (t | c) 08:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the notification. I expanded and wikified the article.  Lets hope someone will add an image.
 * / Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 06:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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 * To whoever it might interest: I just cleaned-up that image long ago. Apparently it is now replaced by Image:United State Naval Academy Logo-sports.png.  So, yes, it should be deleted.
 * / Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 07:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Peacock
Hi Raven, thank you for your comment on the Blackdog image, but that is not a joke, a Black Dog is similar or the same as the Black Shuck and the image that I added is what they look like. You can see a similar image on the Black Dog page here: black dog. I am sort of new so I hope that it is appropriate to respond to your comment on your talk page. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. VonPeacock (talk • contribs) 03:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you RavenDr. VonPeacock (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC).


 * Don't mention it (and please don't forget to sign your posts on talk pages.)
 * / Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 03:56, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Can I bother you one more time? Sorry! If this is my user page User:Dr. VonPeacock then what is this User:Peacock? If I click on one of my images it says Author Peacock and links to the User:Peacock page. Thank you! Dr. VonPeacock (talk) 04:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

rollback
Although this would have been ok as an undo, the edit you reverted was not vandalism but rather, a controversial good faith edit. Please be more careful with rollback. Thanks, Gwen Gale (talk) 02:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, you're right. I discovered to late I was reverting two edits.  All I saw was the edit comment "grammar" and an edit that had already been reverted once.  Sorry about it; I'll try to be more careful.
 * / Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 02:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for telling me how it happened. I'd seen the edit before you got to it and my eyebrows did raise a bit on that "grammar" summary until I saw there were two edits, the first carrying a very polite and clear edit summary. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed again: "polite and clear edit summaries" should be rewarded, as a rule. I did have a look at the talk page before I reverted, but I failed to see the IP mentioned that too in the comment.  If it happens again I'll probably revert myself just to get the opportunity to comment the revert.  (Or whatever.)
 * / Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 03:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * Ok, you deserve more than this. I want you to strike out your comment here.  Do NOT call anyone a "pedo POV-pusher" again or you will be blocked indefinitely.  And your "LOL!" edit summary just makes it more clear.  That kind of behavior is not appropriate at all.  If you want, there is a discussion about your conduct at WP:ANI.  -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I did consider removing that comment for a while just to conclude it had already been removed. Concerning the comment itself: I'd absolutely agree it is to "disrupt Wikipedia to make a point" but I can't agree it is a personal attack.  I was making fun of Flyer22s style of contribution on that talk pages but the comment was not addressing Flyer22 personally.  Furthermore, the Ephebophilia article itself is saying most people call it paedophilia and then you want to see me blocked for calling those who insist the article should say "it's perfectly normal, we all do it" pedo POV-pushers.


 * To give you a simple example:
 * In a comment Flyer22 suggest Mark Foley should have been called an ephebophile (not a paedophile)-- failing to explain why his "normal behaviour" resulted in a scandal. Flyer22 insist I can't distinguish between someone 7 and 17 just to proceed to discuss why kids "who already has breasts and menstrual cycles" are legitimate objects.
 * I certainly don't want to be associated with anything vaguely related to all this. If you have to block me for calling these people pedo POV-pusher -- please go ahead.
 * / Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 21:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's quite apparent that you cannot distingush, since you seem to view 17-year-olds as looking extremely different age-wise than 18-year-olds and still seem to view that a sexual attraction to a 17-year-old equates to pedophilia. I do not want to be associated with someone so uneducated on the matter of pedophilia. And if you do not want to be related to this article, then you will stop pretending that you know about these subjects and editing this article. Flyer22 (talk) 21:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * One more thing -- as editor Legitimus said, it's quite clear that you do not read. Because no where on the article's talk page did we say that "it's perfectly normal, we all do it" (unless speaking of men's sexual attraction to 18 and 19-year-olds) or that kids "who already has breasts and menstrual cycles" are legitimate objects. I even argued against the "breasts and menstrual cycles" topic with another editor there! I always argue against an adult being with a child sexually, or an adult being with a teenager sexually under the age of consent. I am against any adult being with someone 15 and under, unless that adult is 18 and the minor that 18-year-old is with is 15, 16 or 17. But ages 16 and 17 are the ages of consent in several states in America. That's why I say anyone under 16. That, and the fact that I remember that 16 and 17 are hardly any physically or mentally different than 18.


 * When it comes to normal, we stated that plenty of normal men find 16, 17 and 18-year-olds sexually attractive, which is a fact. 16 and 17-year-olds hardly looking any physically different than 18-year-olds is the main reason that so many 16 and 17-year-olds can lie about their age and say that they are 18. It's the main reason why so many men, including celebrities, admitted to being sexually attracted to a then 17-year-old Britney Spears. It's the main reason that a then 26/27-year-old Brad Pitt dated a then 16/17 year-old Juliette Lewis.


 * Just because some people think that all sexual attraction to anyone under 18 is pedophilia does not make it pedophilia. Thus, yes, you are wrong to want the Ephebophilia article to be like the Pedophilia article, in wanting it to be relayed that ephebophilia is pedophilia. The point is that they are not the same thing, and we should make that clear in the Ephebophilia article, which is what we have done. Flyer22 (talk) 21:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * These people really are and you are so pathetic. I'll get permanently blocked for having an opinion about Wikipedia from now on.
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