User talk:Ravenpuff/Archives/2017/August

Cardinals Template
What does putting center in quotation marks do? It doesn't seem to affect the display at all, as far as I can tell. Also, how do you feel about centering the "Order" column? That one always looks weird to me being left justified. LacrimosaDiesIlla (talk) 00:59, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That was simply standardising formatting. Centring the "Order column does seem like a good idea; I can add that into the table. RAVEN PVFF  &#124; talk ~ 01:06, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the clarification. And sounds great. LacrimosaDiesIlla (talk) 01:29, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Schönstatt abbreviation
I accept the correction that ISch is the proper abbreviation because it appears to be the one used by the organization itself and it also appears to be standard in usage in other languages (like German). However, citing GCatholic as proof was a poor move. GCatholic doesn't claim that that is the "proper" abbreviation or an "official" one; it simply indicates that that is the abbreviation it is using. Catholic-Hierarchy, by contrast uses "P. Schönstatt" (see here). Absent other evidence, there is no particular reason why we should follow GCatholic rather than Catholic-Hierarchy (or vice versa) when they disagree. LacrimosaDiesIlla (talk) 15:38, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It's true that they disagree (and in hindsight I should have quoted the official webpage first or not quoted GCatholic at all) but surely we should use the version (ISch) that the organisation itself uses on its website, seeing that it's most likely to be the 'official' one, as well as, like you mentioned, both of the websites (GCatholic and Catholic-Hierarchy) disagree?
 * Furthermore, I seem to notice that GCatholic is more detailed in its presentation of church hierarchy and data. While I know this is no ground for favouring one website over another, I do find myself relying on it more often than Catholic-Hierarchy. This is simply a personal preference, though.  RAVEN PVFF  &#124; talk ~ 01:19, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * To the extent that "ISch" is the abbreviation used by the Institute itself (which seems to be the case), I certainly I agree we should follow it. I did not realize that that was the abbreviation they used when I changed your use of it back to PSchönstatt, but this is obviously precisely the kind of "particular reason" that should decide the issue for us when our other sources disagree as they do in this case. I do generally find GCatholic to be more useful and complete, but there are features of Catholic-Hierarchy that I find useful, and I've known it longer. Anyway, I think we agree and are on more or less the same page. LacrimosaDiesIlla (talk) 03:37, 24 August 2017 (UTC)