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Greeting
Wish you a happy new year.Great job please continue in the new year Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:09, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Its being a pleasure so far and wish you the very best in next year as well and hope to see u around may be as an admin :))Taprobanus (talk) 03:38, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

New Year Greetings
Dear Ravichander, Thank you very much for the thoughful lovely new year greetings.

Let me wish you and your family a very very happy and propsoerous new year 2009.--Nvvchar (talk) 05:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2009
Ravichander,

Thank you for the New Year greetings. Wishing you and your family a very blessed and happy new year as well for 2009. Wiki Raja (talk) 08:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Happy new year, dear friend Kensplanet TC 09:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Happy new year from my side too! Nice greeting card. --GP Pande 11:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for your kind greetings, Ravichandar. I wish you my sincere greetings as well [[image:Movicons2-flower.gif|40px]]-- Persiana  ^_^  19:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

New Year's Greetings
A Happy New Year to you too, Guardian, as I hope you will not mind my addressing you, given your sterling work maintaining articles against mindless elements. Keep up the good work. Voltigeur (talk) 17:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Happy new year! Shiva (Visnu)  17:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy New Year to you too! I hope all your dreams will come true in '09! Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 21:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
All the best Ravi for you and your family!  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 03:43, 2 January 2009 (UTC)



Re: M. K. Thyagaraja Bhagavathar
Hi Ravi, I doubt that MKT was offered a knighthood to be honest. BTW, New Year was indeed good enough, other than the cold flu :(. How was yours? Did you have a bash? Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 12:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmmmm, is Diwan Bahadur a knighthood? I'm not sure if it is. Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 13:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

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Happy New Year
Thanks and wish you the same too :) =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Sasta
As part of developing Aiyanar, I finnished Sasta, redtiger has done some good copy editing.Please take a look when u have time Taprobanus (talk) 05:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the connection goes like this


 * 1) Hero Stones->Local warrier deities->Aiyanar
 * 2) Buddha->Sasta
 * 3) Sasta=Aiyanar

But step 3 happened throughly only in Kerala where instead of Aiynar we have Aiyappa. In Tamil Nadu Aiyanr is called sasta at a superficial level but at the core village level he is still the Hero stone->Local warrier deity.

This is interesting, what we are seeing in an incomplete assimilation in TN and complete assimilation in Kerala. Only now through the popularity of Aiyappa cult that the assimilation may become complete in TN when (it is big question) Aiynar temples get converted to Aiyappa temples in all villages with Brahmin priests. Taprobanus (talk) 05:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)-


 * Aiyappa temple was revived in 1920's by a few Keralites who were upset that Malayalees were going en-mass to Palani for worship. They wanted to get some of the money to stay in Kerala. In 1950 one P.T Rajan (DK/DMK stalwart to boot) popularized the Aiyappa cult in TN. Today Palani still gets a lot of Malayalee devotees where as 90% devotees in Sabarimalai are Tamils. :)Taprobanus (talk) 06:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Best wishes for a successfull new year, in case I forgot to greet you earlier.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 12:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Tamil cinema and Dravidian politics
Hi Ravi! If you have time can you please do me a favour? This is regard to the assessment on the above article. According to my discussion here the check-list in the project banner needs to be filled out. I do not want to do that since I been involved with the article directly. Do you think you can do that? I'm still not actively back to wikipedia. Seems like I will be here too late for the CMs. :( <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 09:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Ravi, thanks for the comments. I really appreciate that. As for Subbarayan's article, seems like it has been assessed already. Sorry that am late. Cheers <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 12:00, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

How to use this top Indian Wikipedian list for effective collaboration
Hi, I have added a section 'How to use this list for effective collaboration' on User:Tinucherian/Indians WP page to see if we can put this list to really good use, pl give your thoughts on the same and we can take it further from there. Thanks. Vjdchauhan (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC).

DYK for M. C. Rajah
--Dravecky (talk) 21:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Visit to my talk page
Noted your visit. Thank you for information on the Mylapur Tank! :) VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 08:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Iyengar
Hi! Ravichander, Since you have been editing the Iyengar article, here is some some info which you may like to verify.

"Purnachadrodayam by Vaduvur K. Doreswamy Iyengar. A Tamil book. He Writes about the long missing links (a 900 page book that he wrote but could not sell). I believe that the book traces Vadagalai Iyengar's links to Egyptian Pharos."

I came across a word called "Kamaladaturai" in a Sanskrit slokam of Sri Shankarachraya. it relates to tree from which Kamandalu is made. Can you trace the botonical and common Indian name for this tree.--Nvvchar (talk) 03:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.

Welsh Country
Hi Ravichander,

Thank you for your help while I'm trying to construct an article. I'm trying to construct one similar to that of Country Life (magazine). I'm not trying to advertise or promote Welsh Country, my sincere apologies for that, I just though that if Country Life (magazine) was there, it made sense that an example of another national publication was included. The difference being, that this one is independant therefore,a comparison can be made between different publishing techniques and companies currently used in the United Kingdom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Welsh Country (talk • contribs) 12:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Dalit
I find that you had full-protected "Dalit" article. I wish to make a few changes in the article but I am not able to do it. Could you do it for me? :-)

I wish to replace the image in the infobox with the one here. I have discussed the matter with User:Taprobanus who appears to be the leading contributor to the article and he has agreed.- Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop 12:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I do not see his agreement on the talk page. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 13:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We did not discuss it on the talkpage of the article. Rather, it is present on my talk page- Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop 13:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The word "Dalit" does not appear on your current talk page. Give me a link. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 13:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought you would oblige when I requested you. Anyway, no probs - Ravichandar <sub style="color:aqua; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">My coffee shop 14:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, it is we who were not following WP:Talk guidelines, so the admin was just doing his job. We are all volunteers, no need to get upset over issues like this. Thanks Taprobanus (talk) 20:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See comments on my talk page. It's unprot'd now.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 20:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, it's a wiki. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 02:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for V. R. Ramachandra Dikshitar
--Dravecky (talk) 03:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: V. R. Ramachandra Dikshitar DYK
Very interesting. Has it got something to do with the Tamil bell? Although trade link of South India to Australia might not be very evident, genetically the closest link for Australian Aborigines are Tamils according to this book. Interestingly Tamils and Australians are the decendents of the first wave of humans who left Africa making Caucasians and Northern Indians much closer to Africans. Anyways, quite long ago an editor tried to add such information but was labelled a POV pusher. Afterall Wikipedia, like any of that sort, is filled with cabals. <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 09:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW do you think that the Tamil cinema and Dravidian politics article should be a subset of Cinema of Tamil Nadu rather than Dravidian parties? I have chosen the later, but if the otherway round would be a better idea let me know. Sorry to post this message in this section rather than above with the rest of the discussion. I thought you might miss it if I did so. Feel free to move this message to appropriate section once done. Cheers <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 11:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I really doubt the extent of which a lost land mass such as Lemuria could have existed. The existence of Kumari Kandam has been ridiculed unfairly. Although such a huge land as a possibility is doubtful, there could have been a bit of land connecting Indonesian islands with Australia. As a biologist myself I think there is enough genetic evidence that humans originated in Africa. You might want to see this image. The migration patern in yellow is what is passed on from mother and the one in yellow though father. The problem with looking at ancestral paterns with mother is that women were taken as slaves by victors and the genes kept passed on, where as an invading tribe will run-over and kill all male populations (or make them slaves without mixing). So ancestral migration patterns are best seen with male genes (Y chromosome from father - typing of which is called Haplotyping). Leaving details apart, either way we see it, humans originated in Africa. Where the current understanding limits itself is how human race reached Australia. There are no much evidence of landmass connecting Indonesia with Australia and the water was too far for to be reached by small primitive boats. The missing link could very well be a submerged land, however, not as huge as the envisaged Kumari Kandam. You might be also interested to see that one Graham Hancock's controvertial discovery of a possible man-made structure off the coast of Puhar which he thinks could be more than 11,000 years old . This finding if further explored could give evidences of submerged lands and also on the forgotten civilization. One might wonder why such research are not funded when we are keen on exploring the surface of the moon. Firstly, such discoveries are misused or misinterpreted by some Tamil Nationalists. Although Dravidian all such might be, the inhabitants of those years could not have spoken any of the contemporary Dravidian languages. If you can manage to see the documentary called Story of India, which was aired on BBC year before last, in it Michael Wood explains that how the first human of the subcontinent lacked much linguistic skills (this was about 50,000 years ago). Nevertheless, it is beyond doubt that Tamil and Kannada are indigenenous language of India, whereas proper academics will agree (if they see without any bias) that Sanskrit wasn't. Even the latter fact is subtly mentioned in that documentary. Can any of these be mentioned in Wikipedia? I dare not. Getting back to what we were discussing earlier. Yes, Tamil (read South Indians) could have had connections with Australia and New Zealand given that they have migratory links. The rise of Aryan culture within the subcontinent could have caused the Dravidians to get closer to Aryans slowly shedding off the ancient links. This part is purely my synthesis. Use of Sanskrit can be similar to use of English in Christian families in urban setlements (including Gerge Town), or use of Urdu by Muslims. <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 16:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, its like this. DNA as a genetic material is found mainly in Chromosomes and also in mitochondria and chloroplasts. We as animals do not have chlroplasts. So we are left with mitochondria and chromosomes. We inherit chromosomes from both parents. But since the embryo developes from the ovum from the mother, the mitochondria is the same as our mother's. Now as genes are passed on they undergo changes (as mutations). Theoretically changes are radom and in a steady rate. Closely related individuals have closely related mitochondrial types. The problem with looking at mitochondria is that it determines the patern of female ancestry. For eg., Rahul Gandhi by his mitochondrial type would be an Italian. Further complicating this Miraya Vadra (Sonia's granddaughter through Priyanka) will still be an Italian inspite of a heavy incidence of Indian genes in her.


 * While we have mitochondria from our mother all males inherit the Y chromosome for father. (Note: This is only in the male population. Females have two X chromosomes and males a X and Y). Typing the Y chromosome is called Y chromosome haplotyping. Now once again this carries a bias of male alone. Even if in successive generations of inter marriages, the Y chromosome will be intact as the male ancestor. This may now sound as male chauvinistic approach. Well without justifying either way, if we revisit the image I gave you earlier we can see the anomaly explicit. Ancestral patern from mother (yellow lines) say that human migration into India as one wave. But if you look at the blue male migration, it is of two distictly different waves. When researchers put a molecular clock to the data, it is seen that the male migration of the North Indians has happened pretty fast. This is where AIT takes over (although AIT was proposed much earlier to genetic studies). I am neither pro AIT nor AMT theories to explain myself. Giving women in marriage for mutual friendship is also common is my argument. An invading population usually takes over the females into them (or atleast that what the theory is). So considering female ancestry will give us the females left behind too. Whereas since males are dispersed the distinction is clear. Now if you look at the image again, two types of migration into North India can be seen (M20 and M69). If you look at the key, both are 30,000 years ago. This is when the molecular clock says they could have arived displacing the earlier M 130 type. The same type found in Australia too. So did Tamil or any of the contemporary Dravidian languages exist at this time? Damn with the nationalist, I would so a big NO. May be Proto-Dravidian, I don't know. But whatever the tongue then was, the geographical seperation of the displaced Dravidians should have given rise to different languages, yet, similar. Not only the tongues evolve, even the human stature and structure. Whatever it might be, the genetic similarity between South Indians and Australians makes me wonder on the possibility of trade connection between these population spanning centuries. There I rest my case after thoroughly confusing the innocent Ravi. :P <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 00:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Chennai Book Fair
The article mentions the suggested DYK hook in the lead where it is not referenced. Am I missing another mention? - Mgm|(talk) 13:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not calling it a hoax. I'm actually quite happy to see an article about a book fair. It just happens to be common practice for the hook to be in the article without any synthesis on the part of the reader. Perhaps you can suggest another hook? - Mgm|(talk) 13:40, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about the reference for the length of the event. The hook says it ends in the third week of january while the article says it starts in december and takes 10 days. That's the second week of january at the most. We could just have a hook that says it's a ten-day fair during the new year festival. - Mgm|(talk) 14:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Happy Pongal
Wish you a very happy Thai Pongal. <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 01:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
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