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Tiruvallur district taluk
I noticed you created new stub articles for taluks in Tiruvallur district.Is there any specific need for taluk articles? What would they contain? I feel the content exist can very well exist in the main article itself Srikanth (speak)  08:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, we need to have a standard template of what needs to be in and how its in. Probably education,health data at taluk level from other government sites if available will help. -- Srikanth (speak) 04:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am writing a script for scraping data and populating the pages for the remaining.Its almost done and I should have all remaining pages by weekend.You may wish to work on something else if you think you can wait for sometime. Otherwise go ahead and create them manually.Appreciate your work :) Thanks Srikanth (speak)  05:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

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Oiii. Infoboxes, coordinates, stub templates, coord missing templates??? Dr. Blofeld      White cat 12:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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I have created a page with some information about Maharajah of Pithapuram, Surya Rau Bahadur. Can you help me improve the article.Dr. Rajasekhar A. 13:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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good to see that retired sign gone. -- L  I C  14:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

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Article: Brahmin
I happened upon the article on Brahmins by chance and found it to be a shambles. I wonder whether you would be interested in helping me sort it out. Hope to hear from you. Voltigeur (talk) 19:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem at all. Contact me at erich_von_falkenhayn_1914@yahoo.co.uk. I am rather remiss with my correspondence. As long as you don't mind a few delays in your correspondence, I would be more than glad to hear from you.Voltigeur (talk) 11:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

was yesteryears actor Thengai Srinivasan an Iyengar?
Actor Srinivsan's grandson Yogi is in List of Iyengars. I have heard that the legendary comedian was a Mudaliar. But i don't have any citations--Suresh 10:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

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Relax
I've replied on my talk page. Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 16:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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Genetic research - HLA affinities of Iyers
Is there a scientific basis for the following point given in Iyers article? - "However, genetic researches have found little difference in genetic patterns with the rest of the Tamil populace.".

The following two research publications is what the genetic researchers have found in this regard.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8754259 HLA affinities of Iyers, a Brahmin population of Tamil Nadu, South India., Balakrishnan, K., Pitchappan, R. M., Suzuki, K., Kumar, U. S., Santhakumari, R. and Tokunaga, K., Unit of Immunogenetics, School of Biological Sciences, Madurai Kamaraj University, Madurai, India; Human Biology. 68 (4) pp. 523-37, August, 1996.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3424332 HLA antigens in South India: II. Selected caste groups of Tamil Nadu, Rajasekar, R., Kakkanaiah, V. N. and Pitchappan, R. M., Department of Immunology, School of Biological Sciences, Madurai Kamaraj University, India; Tissue Antigens. 30(3):113-8, September 1987.

NOTE:

1. Indians are a mixed race and there is no concept of racial purity anywhere in India. Almost none of the castes in the whole of India can be categorized as purely Aryan or Dravidian. In fact even the Tamil population cannot be classified as a racially distinct population from the population in states like UP or elsewhere - as they all share common genes - Aryan as well Dravidian. What makes the difference is only the ratio of Aryan genes vs Dravidian genes, purity of Y chromosome (male/paternal ancestry) etc. Some Indians have Aryan:Dravidian ratio of 80:20 and some 20:80 - that is all.

2. The Iyer population has both Aryan and Dravidian features. But a significant section of them have dominant Aryan features which are normally distinguishable from the rest of Tamil populace - this is common knowledge. This is also proved by scientific research (as quoted above). Though this research has been done on Iyers of Madurai it holds good for all other Iyers too - as there is strong intermarriage tradition between Iyers across Tamil Nadu and even Kerala.

3. The aim of this piece of information is not to spread racial hatred but just to make sure that Wikipedia should serve as a source of undiluted truth. If a truth is bitter can it be changed or rewritten or suitably modified to suit our tastes?

4. Racial hatred is an intolerance caused by our own belief systems and is internal to our minds. Just because a person is racially different from us, does not mean that we should hate him/her. "Unity in diversity" is the way to go - but this unity cannot be based on REJECTING the diversity which exists (by artificially homogenizing it on paper) but in ACCEPTING that differences exist and believing that these differences are a part of a rich and diverse ecosystem.

- Geneash (talk) 07:34, 01 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, the research paper which you have provided here uses a very narrow cross-section of the Iyer community as a sample. Firstly, keep in mind that "Iyer" is not the name of a community but only a surname. There exists no single Iyer community but only a group of Iyer communities. Each and every Smartha Brahmin in Tamil Nadu is called an Iyer. But then Iyers are of heterogenous origin, that is, they are made of different suibsects such as Vadama, Vathima, Brahacharanam, etc., and each of these communities have different traditions of origin. The Gurukkal Brahmins believe that there are the earliest Brahmins in the Tamil country and the others came later. The research paper you supplied as evidence speaks of a general term "Madurai Iyers" without even mentioning whether the sample was taken individuals from Vadama, Vathima, Brahacharanam, Ashtasahasram or any other Iyer community. And then, as I already mentioned, Madurai had never been a citadel of the Tamil Brahmin community. And lastly, you way of classification of people as Aryan or Dravidian is not racist but considering colour as an evidence of race is both faulty and racist.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 09:16, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Ravichandar - I appreciate the point that research on a sample of a community is not sufficient to prove something about the genetics of the entire community. Measuring by the same standards we also do not have any research evidence for the statement "However, genetic researches have found little difference in genetic patterns with the rest of the Tamil populace". The word "little" used here is not proper as it means zero/no differences - which contradicts the previously cited scientific evidence (though they may be not conclusive according to you). Can you provide any research based evidence for your assumption which abides by your own standards? Without sufficient scientific evidence we can neither prove or disprove any statement. So the above wikipedia statement needs to be changed in a neutral manner - for example "However, sufficient genetic research has not been done on Iyer population to conclusively prove this theory". - Geneash (talk) 03:28, 04 September 2009 (UTC)


 * sorry to butt in. was just attracted by this conversation. Geneash may not be entirely wrong. The two papers he cited above dont seem to support "However, genetic researches have found little difference in genetic patterns with the rest of the Tamil populace." It, however, may also not be totally wrong, but, need to be more nuanced. I also think the genetics section in Iyer article has some misinterpretations of the citing research papers. -- L  I C  23:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

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Can you?
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Vadama
The menace is back at work at Vadama. I suggest that it is time to get the article permanently locked for unregistered users. I hope to hear from you. Voltigeur (talk) 17:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Iyengar move
I have reverted your move of the article to Iyengār, since: If you still think that a move would be a good idea, we can discuss it on the article talk page. In general, it is best to discuss potentially controversial moves prior to implementing them. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 02:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Iyengar is a well-established English transliteration of the name, and therefore by common names it is the preferred article name.
 * Iyengār is the incorrect English transliteration of the name anyways (at least if you were using ISO 15919 or IAST).

Talkback
Abecedare (talk) 03:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)