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About the changes you made in the Vadakalai page
This article http://docsdrive.com/pdfs/ansinet/pjbs/2002/722-724.pdf contains a small description abt the blood phenotypes & genes of the "vadagalai iyengars" in specific.."pg 3 line no.11 on the left" of the article(last page 11th line to the left). You said "the articles had no mention abt vadagalai" .Go through the above mentioned article with some patience & without overlooking. The article states that "vadagalai iyengars have a high frequency of rhesus d positive while other castes from andhra had a low frequency of the same ,hence that the geneteic similarity between these people of india(meaning vadagalai here) & pakistanis (from the punjab province) are attributed to the common history of these people". Please note that people from punjab region of both india & pakistan are classified as indo aryan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_people. You had deleted this reference as well,where the punjabis are described as indo aryan in the very beginning .You might want to watch your comments as you were really offensive. You have overlooked the contents of the above article where vadagalai iyengars have been mentioned in specific & had wrongly removed the references. Another link here http://genetichistory.wordpress.com/tribes-1/ leads to an article that has mention about the "kambaramaayanam paayiram" thingy. Yet again you've overlooked the corresponding points mentioned & had removed the tag references.

Another point i made regarding the vadakalais believing in the caste system & following the vedas were also deleted. Here is the reference,which is a pdf file of the std;7 social science book http://www.textbooksonline.tn.nic.in/Books/07/Std07-SS-EM.pdf .Refer to pg.31 of the pdf file. Also the caste system was founded by aryans.

Finally the name "uttara kalarya" is simply a cognate of three words "uttara" "kala"+"arya" & anybody who knows sanskrit could understand the same & it does not need a reference .It is just a simple translation & an expansion of the cognate (understanding the sanskrit grammar is important here).

I'm restoring the deleted contents myself. Also ,one has to go by deductive reasoning rather than copyprinting the ref' articles contents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hari7478 (talk • contribs) 07:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean to say that the Vadakalai are genetically-related to the Punjabi people and that the Punjabi people article claims that most Punjabis are Aryans. So, the Vadakalai are also Indo-Aryans. This is a gross violation of WP:SYNTH. Aren't there any Dalits in the Punjab?


 * If a book released by the Tamil Nadu Textbook Society mentions that the caste system was founded by the Aryans, it should be mentioned in the article on Indo-Aryans not in Vadakalai. And lastly, that Uttara kalarya is a cognate of uttara + kala + arya might be obvious to you, but sorry, Wikipedia relies on references and such controversial claims should be supported by neutral published sources. And then, even if sufficient neutral sources are added to back up your claims, even then they can be removed as they strongly violate neutrality. For your benefit, I advise you to stop being obsessed by things like race and ethnicity.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 18:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

But why delete the "Kambaraamayanam Payiram" info?? We know that brahmins descend from a set of rishis & the rishis are all from North India. The Vadakalais have similar gotras as the north indians have, and a similar pancharatra sampradaya as that of the north indian vaishnavite brahmin communities. Whereas the Thenkalais adhere to the vaikhanasa sampradaya(founded by sage vikhanasa in Tamil Nadu). Also please note that facts are always facts and they may or may not be neutral to an individual.

For your info' check these links. http://books.google.co.in/books?id=qbf83q7MjlYC&lpg=PA86&ots=J7ikNaHV_0&dq=vadagalai%20europeans&pg=PA86#v=onepage&q=&f=false .Here geoffrey oddie has described about the vadagalai-thengalai disputes. He mentions that vadagalai adhered to maintaining the purity of the brahmin orthodoxy .He also describes the Thenkalai sect as "Brahmins & non-brahmins alike" (pg 86). This might be a biased statement in the eyes of a thenkalai ,but a fact is still a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hari7478 (talk • contribs) 07:09, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You have provided a Wordpress blog source for "Kambaraamayanam Payiram" which is not reliable.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 07:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll provide another web source reg' kambaramayanam info myself. By the way ,a significant number of vadagalais do speak hindi .There are as many vadagalais settled in Delhi & Mumbai as in B'lore & Hyd'. Although the andhra & k'taka vadagalais speak telugu & kannada respectively ,they still know to converse in tamil as well. But many of those settled in north(especially the present generation's youth) only know hindi although their native tongue is tamil. Unless you are a vadagalai you wouldnt have an idea about this fact ,also you may not get a clear info' even if you consult with your friends. I am a vadakalai myself & i know about my relatives, my relatives' relatives & those who fall within the long chain of my relative circle. Many of our people in north communicate in hindi even with their children & parents. So Hindi could certainly be included under the list of "languages spoken".

Also ,you can use the word "believed" instead of "assumed" regarding the vadakalais' indo aryan origin."Assumed" is only used for statements without any evidence. But here there is evidence ,but only not evidence enough to say for sure ;Hence it could be put up as "vadakalai are believed to be indo aryan people".

Has wikipedia ever mentioned that only native tongue/cradle tongue should be included under the languages section?? If not ,then i suppose sanskrit can be put up under the section "languages". The fact "using a diff' language for rituals only" is only found in india. So wikipedia may not be clear enough to indicate if such languages can be included or not. I think it can be put up as "Sanskrit(ritualistic use only)".Wouldnt that be fine?? Also I utter as many sanskrit words a day (while performing daily rituals) as much as the tamil words i speak ,& so do a majority of the vadagalais. So y not include sanskrit?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hari7478 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Sanskrit may be added with "ritualistic language" mentioned in brackets nearby to emphasize more on the fact that Vadakalai Iyengars champion Sanskrit compared to Thenkalai Srivaishnavas who champion Tamil. I don't think it would be right to mention Hindi amongst spoken languages. There have long traditions to the Kannada and Telugu country. Migrations to North India have been comparitively recent and small. Even the most liberal enumerations would not put North Indian Vadakalais at more than 5% of the total population.- The Enforcer <sub style="color:red; font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">Office of the secret service 14:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

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