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Madurai
Hi Ravi, While adding the cleanup tag to article Madurai you have mentioned in the reason as some important details totally omitted. Please go ahead with adding those details which you found omitted. And once you are done with your cleaning up please try removing the tag. Wasifwasif (talk) 18:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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regd:Thenkalai and Vadakalai
Hi Ravichandar,

To introduce myself i am not an regular editor in the wikipedia, once i was browsing through the internet for information on iyengars, i came accross the wikipedia article and i was shocked and disheartened to see the origin and ethnicity section on thenkalai iyengars, where the community was depicted as if it has evolved by admixing with the non-brahmins,and a particular editor(USER:HARI7478, who had revealed his identity in your talk page) have added citations to reinforce the above said ancestory and arm twisted other reiterating editors ,that he would complain as vandalism. these are my observations or points: Firstly, Aryan Dravidian theory is itself disputable. the editor added that the Vadakalai originated from Indo-Aryan(it is removed now) migrants. Further on the study of genetic on Vadakalai iyengars only samples were taken from Andhra, not from other places particularly Tamil Nadu where there is a large concenteration of population of this community. Secondly, about the origin of Thenkalai community, all the citations were of emperical in nature. those were just an observation of foreign and indian authors(non iyengar) though they were from reputable publications. the same user has quoted in your talk page as "I guess thurston really got confused between vedantacharya & lokacharya" when this was conflicting with his views, even there was a link to the personal pages of Gariyali(opinion only). It is true that Thenkalai community was catholic in nature to accept all the communities in its movement, but didnt disrupt the frame work of casteism, even Ramanuja didn't do that, he opened the gates of philosophy to all without distinction and accepted the equality of all in eyes of God, Thenkalai community accepted his teachings along with the divine outpouring(by Alwars) in region's vernacular languale(Tamil) and revered it, even emphasized its importance over Vedas, this had made many non brahmins to be imbibed in the movement, but not mixing with the Thenkalai Brahmin(thenkalai iyengar) community. thirdly, there are many families or descendants in both the communities sharing same ancestory, which is proof of a recent schism in the community. this division started only because of the differences of opinion and philosophy and does not have root in racial difference. ofcourse, thenkalai has diversified genetic pool then Vadakalai, that also arose because of intermixing of various Brahmin communities who converted to Vaishnavism during Period of Ramanuja. for instance, I am also descendant of a Mayavada(Smartha) Sannyasi who adopted Vaisnavism under the direct influence of Ramanuja,and was his most sincere desciple. Finally, My sincere appeal is to allow only a neutral person to edit the iyengar article and not those persons who have personal vendetta and prejudice.One point i want to clear is, i didn't oppose any other section of the article except the "Origin and Ethnicity" of Thenkalai Iyengar, as it was done with an ulterior motive to mar a community and which is definitely false. I request you to check with the reliable and authoritarian person belonging to both the community and edit article appropriately as i am a novice and one time editor. Thanks for removing some of the scathing materials in the article and i believe you would empathize with my views, as the worst thing is to twist the ancestory of any individual with dignity. Thanks in advance. --Sri12345 (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why you are fighting over claims of a non-Brahmin ancestry; what is wrong in having one! It is no use having age-old ideas of caste purity, etc; it is time to move forward. Anyway, I found the term "admixing" conveying a sense of insensitiveness and that's why I removed it. Such terms might be appropriate in the context of animals but I find it demeaning in the context of humans, akin to related terms as cross-breeding, etc. - The Enforcer Office of the secret service 10:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I am sorry that you mistook me, i am not fighting for claims of non-Brahmin ancestry on base of prejudice. my concern was that ancestry was tweaked and as an average person, i should retort to that claim, as a person from that community i cant allow these types of false claims. If my intention was a fight i would have involved in verbal fight with the warring editors, but i only raised a concern and brought it up to you as you are an expert editor and a neutral one who edt with right information after proper research.--Sri12345 (talk) 11:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Vadama
Hi Ravi, I noticed that you requested an assessment for the article Vadama (more than a year ago). I have reviewed that article, currently with B class; however, I feel that with some more work, it may be good enough for a GA. You might want to get it peer reviewed. Good work!  Lynch 7  17:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Anna Stadium
Hi, I tried taking snaps of Anna Stadium. The stadium does not have a good look. Only the newly laid hockey ground looks fine for me. Is this okay? -- Commander (Ping Me) 06:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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Award
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Reg info box
<<<<<Reg. your templatesPlease don't add Infobox temple or Infobox Mandir to articles on places. Thiruvisanallur, Pandanallur and Tirumalpur are not names of temples, they are names of places. I hope that, in the future, you might be able to differentiate between temples and places. And then, please don't create categories like "Temples around Kumbakonam", etc. What do you mean by "around". Do you have any specific criteria to determine which places are "around Kumbakonam"? -The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 06:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I find that even after being warned by Srikanth, you have been adding the Infobox temple to articles on places, as I observe in the cases of Tirumalpur and Thiruvennainallur. I strongly urge to stop this and heed the advice given by fellow Wikipedians. Else it might even get you blocked.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 06:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)>>>>

Regarding these pages, there is not much to cover about other than the temples in those places(without the temple, the place is irrelevant; most temple names are the village names). Rather than creating 2 line content or duplicates, i find it relevant to add in the same page. I am also in the process of linking unused photos/places in the region. It would be relevant to split the contents if the details grow. Most of the search would be for the place for temples primarily. A new person looking for the temple in Thirubuvanam wont be searching for karakateswarar temple.

Temples around kumbakonam,Tanjore is set to have temples around them in a radius of 20km. There may be atleast a 100-120 famed ones. This is added to ease searching. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssriram mt (talk • contribs) 12:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Info box temple
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< You've got it wrong. This is an online encyclopedia, not a travel guide to help tourists or pilgrims. Now, there are some towns which have more than one temple. And you might have observed that the article Pandanallur mentions that there are two notable temples in the village. And Sivapuram has a temple and a church (St. Sebastian Church). Now, how would you deal with this. Will you add both Infobox Temple and Infobox Church to the article. And as for the category Category:Temples around Kumbakonam, I feel that Tiruchi is somewhere around Kumbakonbam. So, can I add temples in Tiruchi to that category?-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 12:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

There needs to be categories first and then when it overshoots, we can divide. It can be an encyclopedia or a travel guide, but ultimately a store for info. So it is all oriented towards usage.

Check with the villages around tanjore info - most of them are one liners, hardly serving any purpose. These villages derive their name only from the temples and hence it should be the other way round.

I dont want to continue discussion here and can create fresh pages in the mean time. But just for your info, the warning of blocking user is pretty much overboard. Srikanth posted just when i modified and the message was obtained only after i completed editing others. I havent modified anything after that. You can check my contribs and they strictly abide copyright & wiki guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssriram mt (talk • contribs) 17:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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Invite to WikiConference India 2011
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 * Please do not forget to apply for scholarship --naveenpf (talk) 00:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

YGM
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Info box temple
<<<<<::: These villages may be famous because of their temples, maybe not. But can you call Pandanallur or Sivapuram, a temple. It is common sense, right. How on earth can you project a place as a temple. It is, indeed, misinformation, not information. Of course, it is obvious to us that Pandanallur and Tirumalpur are places but consider a person from a remote corner of the globe who knows about India or Hinduism. He will get the impression that the name of the temple is "Pandanallur".-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 18:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Kindly have a look at Wikipedia policy and understand what infoboxes are and what are they used for.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 18:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC) <<<<<<<<<<<

We are overrun by the english history of what we see in history books. If you have time, simply refer to some of the verses from project madurai on tevaram/periya puranam. Most of the places were either non-existent before 7th century - there is specific mention about places in thiruthondar puranam(periya puranam). Each village was segregated only by the presence of lingam(swayambu in most cases) and Cholas built mighty temples around Cauvery delta. Tiruchirapalli -> Trichonoploy -> Tirusinapuram is one practical example. Pandanallur(pandanai originally) was evolved by campantar and so is sivapuram - aren't the names too obvious. I am not bringing religious angle here, but that is the history of the places. Villages with no known deities were named after features - like kookur, nallur, <>puram etc.

Leaving arguments aside, i will build specific pages for the temples. In fact, i am looking for photos from some of your uploads/archives. I will revert the ones i loaded with the template. Ssriram mt (talk) 22:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)ssriram_mt

Notice
Hey Ravichander, I've started this page for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yohan: Adhyayam Ondru. Please share your thoughts as well! Thank you! Johannes003 (talk) 09:06, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Article request
I have been reading articles about places and temples in India. I find it fascinating, but many articles use words that I do not know. They are likely words related to Hinduism, but they are unfamiliar to me. Some examples are Theerthavari and Guptha Gangai. Could you create articles for some of these more common words so that others can click on them to get better meaning from articles on Hinduism? Thank you for your consideration. jsfouche &#9789;&#9790; Talk 01:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * "Theertham" is a Sanskrit word which means "water". It is used to refer anything holy from consecrated water which is given by priests in Vaishnavite temples to sacred tanks which are located within a temple's precincts. I confess that I'm, myself, not so knowledgeable about Hindu religious terms. Anyway, I will try to create articles for some, provide I find reliable published sources. But are you sure that such articles don't conflict with WP:NOT?- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 02:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If there is not enough information for a stub, then perhaps a wiktionary entry that can be wikilinked. Thanks for the information. jsfouche &#9789;&#9790; Talk 04:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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. Thirukkadaiyur and Thirumarugal articles
I am creating article for the village places as discussed earlier and reverting them accordingly. Please pass references for villages if you have any(not the census one). If you see there are two different articles for Thirukkadaiyur, patteswaram etc and i am straightening them Ssriram mt (talk) 00:24, 8 August 2011 (UTC)ssriram_mt

DYK nom for Mayuranathaswami Temple, Mayiladuthurai
Hi Ravi, I just wanted to let you know that there is an ALT that I'd like to suggest before I approve your nom of Mayuranathaswami Temple, Mayiladuthurai at T:TDYK. Could you take a look at it and reply there? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I promoted the alt last night (we needed a prep desperately). It is in Queue 6 now. If you have issues with it, perhaps we could ask Panyd or MaterialScientist for help fixing it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Gemini Ganesan
He looks too young in the image which you uploaded. I thought an image of him taken after the 1960s would be good. If you feel like having any problems, I'll move the image (screenshot which I uploaded) to the corresponding film's article. -- Commander (Ping Me) 13:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Since that was a movie screenshot, I thought the image you uploaded was a fair use image. No problems, I moved that image to the infobox. -- Commander (Ping Me) 13:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A small clarification needed. What if a person's father and mother are from different territorial backgrounds. In that case what cann be their mother tongue. -- Commander (Ping Me) 03:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. These vernacular scripts create lot of problems in WP especially when father and mother are from different backgrounds. I faced the same problem with Gemini's daughter. -- Commander (Ping Me) 03:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya, I was talking about her only. Someone added Telugu script stating that it as her mother tongue supported by a source from TOI. While some users disgree like saying indirectly that Gemini is not her father :) -- Commander (Ping Me) 04:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right. I too observed that on many occasions. He was involved in constant edit wars with me and User:Bollyjeff when we were trying to expand the lead section, and he even said that, "I was the one who contributed more to the article and you cannot definitely consider me as an opponent", thereby trying to defend himself. -- Commander (Ping Me) 05:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)