User talk:Rayis/Archive 1

Help please!
Hi Rayis! I expanded this article some more. I would like to invite you to see the article again. I would like to invite you to see the parts on Iranian culture in particular. Thanks and all the best. Sina Kardar 15:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. Yes the section on Ansar e hezbollah is too short. The reason is that I don't know much about them and I need to study a bit and find good sources. It would be great if you could help expanding it. Looking forward to your comments and edits in future! Take care. Sina Kardar 19:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Links Cyrus Cylinder
Dear Rayis, I have retried the links you reinserted, but get a blank page. Can you please check it? Jona Lendering 23:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Iranian Languages Template
Dear Rayis – Here is a copy a template for Iranian Languages Group – according to your wonderful idea. Regards Surena 07:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Khorasani Turkish language
Dear Rayis - please see Articles for deletion/Khorasani Turkish language. Surena 20:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

My view
See User_talk:Patchouli.--Patchouli 18:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Apology
Sorry Rayis - I tried to roll back a large rollback by "Mardavich", but instead killed your improvements. I'm trying to correct it. Sorry.Jona Lendering 14:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope it's better now. You've requested more evidence; I have put online on my website two contemporary texts by Nabonidus and inserted links to it. They were removed by Mardavich, who also removed your improvements and reinserted an erroneous summary. I think there is now a more or less adequate discussion of the modern propaganda aspect, and there are several links to modern literature. I hope you can agree.Jona Lendering 14:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Jona's edits
Hi Jona, about this article I would like to point out a few things:

1- You are conducting your original research and putting it on Wikipedia. Please see Wikipedia:No original research. -Do it elsewhere.


 * I am sorry, I am not. I have decently put online sources: U.N. letters, ancient cuneiform tablets. What else do you need?

2- You are claiming your point of view Please see WP:NPOV -Accept other points of view.
 * I will, if there are arguments. It is plainly incorrect that the CC is a unique document, or that it deals with the return of people instead of gods.

3- You are claiming ownership of the article Please see Wikipedia:Ownership of articles -Let others edit.
 * No, I am not, but as things stand, I am the only one capable of actually reading the text. I am also the only one at present who is quoting recent publications, instead of old texts, based on pre-Schaudig editions. I am not claiming any privilege, but if people bring forward pre-Schaudig information, I feel to remove it.

I see you have rolled back to the pre-Schaudig info, but now I will not remove it; I can live with your remark that the pre-Schaudig info is contested (as it should be). Let's first see what the others do.Jona Lendering 17:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)



You may be an expert, but your point of view is one, in over 6 billion humans, and this is Wikipedia "not a place to publish your own thoughts and analyses or to publish new information not heretofore published."

Dear Rayis: that's not the issue, I'd say. If 6 billion opinions are all based on Schaudig, you'd be right. But that's not the case. It is simply incorrect to base an article on outdated information. We must use the latest readings, based on Fragments A and B, based on Schaudig.

As to pre-Shah-claims that the CC is a human rights charter: you are right that the Shah did not create this out of the blue. Therefore, I left the Frye quote standing, and even accentuated it. But HIM is responsible for propagating this reading, see the UN document I quote.Jona Lendering 17:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)



Dear Rayis, just received your last remark. Let's agree to disagree - if Cyrus (or his exegetes) could be tolerant, so can we. Just improve the site as you see fit, but please note which info goes back to pre- and post-Schaudig's editions. Maybe we should leave the "contested information" tag until the others have given their opinion.Jona Lendering 18:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:your note
Daste shoma dard nakoneh. dastkari shahnameh ro ham didam. joz afsoos khordan che mishavad kard. be omide rooz haie behtar. Sina Kardar 20:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Persians
Hello Rayis. Yes, I was going to work on Persians next. I am finishing up with Pashtuns and then will get started with Persians as I am kind of on a theme of eastern Middle Eastern peoples lately. Well, probably I'll work Persians by using some of what is already there, but adding a lot more and removing anything that can't be proven etc. In the past, the articles I've worked on (with lots of help from my usual friends) such as Iranian peoples, Azerbaijani people and Pashtuns all have a similar look in terms of having a lot of references and some common questions regarding origins etc. The Persians I may treat a bit differently as the terminology seems to vary from a view similar to that of 'Arabs' (meaning anyone who speaks Persian) to groups that link themselves to the ancients (which is hard given the amount of time that separates modern people from ancient ones). At any rate, nothing will be put in that isn't referenced and verifiable. Probably the opening will be fixed and expanded a bit. The collage picture will have to go because it violates copyright laws (as we've found with Pashtuns now (trying to get that article back to FA status). We'll probably go with sections like history, origins, modern society, culture, institutions and women so some sections in the article should stay and others will change a bit. It'll be a lot of work and probably take weeks to complete. If you have any suggestions, then please let me know and any help you can give will be appreciated. Cheers. Tombseye 02:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Self-linking in a dispute
Yes, the user appears to be pushing his own original research, not to mention using Wikipedia as a platform to promote his website. I don't have time to handle it myself, but I recommend that you post something about this at WP:AN/I. Regards, Khoikhoi 07:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijan page
The "Azerembassy source" you mention is just a host for a book by a highly respected Azerbaijani scholar of Talysh origin, academician Igrar Aliyev. Him being a major academician and director of the History Institute and all, and editor of that book that's hosted on that site – Igrar Aliyev (ed.), “History of Azerbaijan”, Part IV “Azerbaijan in modern times”, Chapter XXIII, “Founding of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic”, sub-title: “Azerbaijan on international arena. Paris Peace Conference”, Baku: Elm Publishing House of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences, 1995 (in Russian) – makes the source valid and acceptable. If not, I can take those pages and host them on my site, that would not change anything. Likewise, we can scan the original page as well in due time, if necessary. This source is not written by "Azerembassy", it is simply hosted there like many other articles. It is written by academician Igrar Aliyev, and cites archival documents, obviously some of them available only in Azerbaijan and in Azerbaijani. Likewise, we are discussing Azerbaijan here, hence, we cannot avoid Azerbaijani sources, and in light of using for example Iranian scholars, Armenian scholars, Russian scholars, we thus definitely cannot ignore Azerbaijani scholars that write about their own nation. --AdilBaguirov 18:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Remind
Remind me what I did. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orthologist (talk • contribs) 21:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

I just reverted it to the latest version, as it had been blanked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orthologist (talk • contribs)

Alright, excuse me, I pressed the Refresh button a lot of times and thought it had been blanked for good; i didn't know it was you.--Orthologist 21:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC) It's alright now, I reverted it.--Orthologist 21:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits made to Nazanin Fatehi
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 * Heyfehnoon, I added 6 different links and rewrote the introduction - the petition.com stuff were there before. --Rayis 00:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Salam
After working on History or religious fundamentalism in Iran etc, I am back to science and art again! Would you please see my new works on Abbas Kiarostami? Any ideas or comments on the structure of article? Any mistakes or shortcommings? Thanks for your time and take care. Sangak 21:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Surprised? Not me

 * 1) According to the Iranian Kurdistan article, "Kurds form the majority of the population of this region with an estimated population of 4 million." The number given in the Kurdish people article is a range, so it's not that big of an issue. Most Kurds in Iran live in Iranian Kurdistan anyways.
 * 2) Kurds are scattered in Iran, but they mostly live in Iranian Kurdistan. The ones living in cities like Isfahan are recent immigrants.
 * 3) Similarly, many Kurds live in western Turkey, but most of them live in Turkish Kurdistan.
 * 4) Kurdistan is considered the homeland of Kurds. It makes sense to have Kurdistan first in the infobox, and then have the diaspora afterwards. See Assyrian people for an example.

Perhaps as a compromise, we can change the numbers to only include the number of Kurds in Iranian Kurdistan, and then give numbers of Kurds living in other parts of Iran? What do you think? Khoikhoi 03:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

message
Please don't move my comments up and down, add yours in the correct place to show how the discussion progresses. Try to avoid editing another editor's comments unless absolutely necessary Wikipedia:Etiquette --Rayis 13:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Rayis; Sorry, it was accidental not intentional. Kiumars Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kiumars"

Persianate society
Your revert of my copy-editing, wikification, and bringing of the lead into line with the manual of style, was not acceptable. Your edit summary was also unrelated to your edit. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 13:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Kiarostami
Salam

It would be very helpful if you could comment on Abbas Kiarostami. Then I can improve the article further. Ba sepaas. Sangak 22:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your support on Kiarostami FAC. Take care. Sangak  Talk 12:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Persian transliteration
Salam!

Please see. We need to change the WP:MoS for Persian transliteration. MoS forces us to use Arabic transliteration for Persian words. It makes no sense. Please see the problem I have now on transliteration of Kiarostami. 


 * Let's make a guideline: Manual of Style (Persian) / WP:MOS-PE. ANy idea? I copy/pasted the Arabic guideline to my user page. let's work here first and then propose it. User:Sangak/Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Persian)

Sangak 13:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * agree with you. I actually posted a request and a team of copyeditors (User:RedPen for example) are working on it now. Thanks. Sangak 19:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Pre contemporary Persian literature is actually quite good. The modern section is a mess. User:ZereshK and I (and I think Amir84 etc) spent a long time on it over the last two years. I think it needs a serious copyediting and shortenning preferably by English native speakers. I also added a lot of info about literature in modern Afghanistan and Tajikistan. We will discuss it more in the wikiproject :-) take care and thanks for your support on Kiarostami. Sangak 19:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Province & people
Hi. I see the good amount of work you have been doing with articles about Mazandaran & its people. What do you suggest for Lurs? If you go to Lorestan, there is some information, but the main article is listed as Lurs. Yet at Lurs, the main article is listed at Lorestan, and there is less information. Perhaps a merge is appropriate for this situation as well. Tell me what you think. The Behnam 01:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Kurdish celebration of Newroz
I am a bit concerned about this article and I saw that you nominated it to be deleted. I think much of the data is a copy of the Norouz article, and the main part of the article is basically the problems in Turkey which I don't think justifies existence of it. This came to my attention after another user created yet another Norouz article about how they celebrate it in Mazandaran and said well, if Kurds have their own page, why can't we?! I would love to know your thoughts --Rayis 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I also feel the page proves to be mostly redundant. It is perhaps preferable not to have tens of articles explaining the same material. That particular article may be nominated for deletion later on. I am not very knowledgeable on the topic about the holiday itself. -- Cat out 14:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Nationalists
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll creat that category too, though there might not be a clear definition who we should call a nationalist. Siba 03:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Email
Doroud & Done!Shervink 15:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)shervink

My mistake
Yes, I accidentally used the npa1 template, which has a welcome in it. I should have used npa2, and this has now been corrected. Anyway, try not to violate civility by such inflammatory characterizations of other editors as you did at the page, thanks. The Behnam 23:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The new warning I put up was fine; warnings are supposed to be issued using those templates. I'm going to reinstate it; usually the user who issued the warning will remove it if a proper explanation is provided as to why the warning was placed wrongly.  So please don't remove that message; I will remove it for you if you can explain how I am wrong, but so far it looks like clear-cut trolling.  The Behnam 23:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't need the template, I am familiar with the concept, thanks :) --Rayis 23:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The use of the template is also for purposes of documentation; aka to document repeated violations in case some greater action is taken in the future. There sometimes needs to be evidence that the stepped warnings were issued.  The Behnam 23:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure but I will only have to put the same template on your talk page whether you agree with it or not --Rayis 23:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Obviously I would contest it. If you refused to remove without reason I would then seek another authority to settle the dispute.  Matter of fact I would like it if you at least showed me which comments were supposedly trolling.  The Behnam 23:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Feeding the troll
Regardless of whatever unspecified edits of mine were trolling, the reason I made the initial edit was to remove your trolling without further incident. I had seen that done with other trolling situations and felt it entirely appropriate for that instance. For some reason you reinstated it; don't you realize that just your last part was enough? The part I removed was just an uncivil characterization of me that could only be inflammatory; the removal was definitely justified. Perhaps you should re-remove it? I thought you would see that it was rather trollish upon me removing it. Thanks. The Behnam 23:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, I'll drop this whole issue if you simply remove the offending remark yourself. The Behnam 23:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * More clarification: It would have been "feeding the troll" if I responded to your unfair & uncivil characterization instead of simply removing the offending sentence. The Behnam 00:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Artaxerex
Done. Khoikhoi 03:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Fereydoun Farokhzad
Do have any reliable information about this guy? I recently encountered the article, which of course was rubbish. I cleared it up, but he seems to have had a much wider 'musician' role in the past. I just couldn't find that many reliable sources, especially on his death. It isn't clear how they tracked it to IRI agents; from what I see right now it appears to just be suspicion. As usual, most of the information talking about his death are from unreliable fringe opposition blogs that have no chance of reporting anything objectively or with proper fact-checking. However, I suspect you may know more about these, so if you don't mind please give it a look and add some real information to it if possible. Thanks. The Behnam 19:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I think that his name is spelled wrong in the article. The Behnam 19:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean. It is very hard to find reliable information about opposition figures and related things. I'm currently digging through HRW's website to find their opinion on the 1988 incident. What is particularly frustrating is that there aren't even many reliable books on these matters. Too many special interests I guess. In any case, thanks for whatever help you can give these articles. The Behnam 20:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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Monodactylus Argenteus
these fishes are found in the ARABIAN side of the ARABIAN gulf "in oman and UAE". you cannot find these fishes in northern ARABIAN gulf. so, dont be racest and do NOT change the ARABIAN GULF word in the article!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.150.120.84 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 13 March 2007


 * Interesting, so we have the Oman sea connecting the Arab Gulf to the Arab sea, perhaps you would like to Arabise our language too? Oh wait a minute, you already have. Anything else? --Rayis 11:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah!! your language is totally written by arabic alphabet, your religion is arabic, your republic, your names (Ali Khamenai, Ahmadi Nejad, Muhammed Khatami) even your flag have arabic words "Allah o akbar" not "khoda is great" or whatever!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.150.120.112 (talk) 17:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Haha where did you learn Persian? --Rayis 18:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The arab comedian was too funny to ignore. I thought the word for great in Persian was "Bozorg"..."Great" sounds like English to me :-) Mehrshad123 22:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Who said I speak a stupid language?!
 * I dont care if great in Persian is "Bozrog" or "Shitrog" because i didnt say that I speak it, I was talking about the Arab influence in the fake Persian culture. Also, I dont speak to smart people like you Mehrshad because it seems funny that you're guessing that I speak a stupid language. Waiting for USA to kickass stupid Persia, then believe me I will laugh at your mama when she beg us "like a comedian" to give her food ;D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.150.120.43 (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC).


 * You are right, we are the racists. I see it much more clearly now :) --Rayis 10:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The merge
Hey Rayis, I'm not sure what you think about the merge issue. I think, especially now, that the kurdish page is fully referenced, and is (in my mind) NPOV that there is no point merging because it would add too much info to the general Norouz page. Regards, – Jeff3000 04:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I commented on the page. It's unfortunate that Heja has placed me by his side, because for the most part I completely disagree with his editing on that page, as it is not NPOV.  I'll try to keep things sane, though I won't be on the computer tomorrow.  Regards, (and thanks for being so understanding) – Jeff3000 06:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Quick response to vandalism
Doroud & Thanks for your quick response to the vadalism on the Reza Shah Pahlavi article by "Artaxerxes", "Faranbazu" and other sockpuppets. You were correct that I had clearly entered a discussion piece prior to removing damages done by the vandal, contrary to accusations from the vandal/sockpuppet. Mehrshad123 18:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI if you have evidence to provide on anti-Pahlavi sockpuppetry instigated by "Artaxerex":   Mehrshad123 22:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Salam
Please take a look at History of fundamentalist Islam in Iran. I am happy that the article attracted a few critical editors. The more people take part the less chance will be for POV. I hope people with different background edit this article. Thanks and take care. Sina Kardar 14:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's Start a Positive contribution based on facts
Dear Rayis, I have noticed that you, Mehrshad and Shervink have filled evidence for sock puppet against me. This is o.k., and I wish you success. However, may I ask you respectfully to provide reference and citations for your contributions. I also want to edit some of lopesided text about his modernization programs. Of course, all based on well cited evidence. I am also concerned about lack of any references to his human right abuses, and his corruption. I do not want to go through long edit wars. So I thought I'll discuss this with you beforehand and seek your advice to see what would be agreeable to you. cheers Faranbazu 18:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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Reza Shah
Ah, great. I'm glad you started up a page for that, it's actually been locked locked from editing longer than Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Well, right now, The Behnam is proposing it for speedy deletion, but I'm trying to reason with him to keep it up. It's really the best version to start with, as from it, we can slowly add in all of the other information needs to be there. ♠ SG →Talk 15:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Martyrs
Indeed. Right or wrong, that is an Islamic POV and probably is not necessary to the timeline. The Behnam 10:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your Efforts
Rayis, Thank you for donating your time [] in helping us expose the troll User:Faranbazu and having him and his sockpuppets and meatpuppets banned! I am hoping the Reza Shah article will be unlocked soon so that the months of vandalism can be removed promptly. Mehrshad123 20:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Definition of Police
It's not important what BBC says when it's not officially police force. As defined in Police article, ''Police are agents or agencies empowered to use force and other forms of coercion and legal means to effect public and social order. The term is most commonly associated with police departments of a state that are authorized to exercise the police power of that state within a defined legal or territorial area of responsibility.'' Please go there and change the definition. Bebin har vaqt tunesti unha ra qane koni ke gruh haye feshar ejtemaee va niruhaye shebhe dolati ra ham mishe police khand man kolle harfhayam ra pas migiram. Boro beheshun bego chon BBC ya x va y be in gruhha migan police behtare ke tarife police shamel niruhaye qeyrdoliti ke tamin nazm ejtemaee ra bar ohde darand beshavad. Agar unha paziroftand man ham mipaziram. -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Careful
Please be careful when using 'rvv' in the edit summary. Some of the edits you undid here shouldn't have been called vandalism. Thanks. The Behnam 18:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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Your WP:AN/I report
I responded on that page, but to summarize, I need to see some diffs here if you are asserting that the individual you reported is continuing the same behavior they were blocked for.--Isotope23 14:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

300 talk
I am curious; what brought you to the 300 article today? I ask because you haven't contributed before. Arcayne  (cast a spell)  18:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. I rather had to ask, seeing as meat-puppets have apparently been something of a problem in the article. That you haven't made much in the way of edits until now seemed kinda odd. Since you and The>Benham don't seem to get along at all well, it made me wonder why you would put yourself in such close proximity to him. Those were the reasons I asked. Cheers! Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It was not my intent to insult you in any way. I was gave voice to a concern that appears to have been unwarranted in your case. Please accept my apologies. Arcayne  (cast a spell)  18:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please note that the above bad faith comments and insinuations by Arcayne are clearly a violation of WP:CIVIL. He has no right to bother other Wikipedians about what pages they are or are not involved. Wikipedians have a right to be involved in any article they wish. I would suggest raising this issue with an admin next time, as such comments are clearly out of line. Khorshid 18:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Clearly, Khorshid, from your presence in following me around, there is cause for concern. However, we don't need to have this conversation on this user's page. No one was suggesting that he couldn't be involved in the article. I certainly wasn't. As for Civility, I am glad to see you are spending more time in familiarinziong yourself with the subject. Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Omar Khayyám and Arabic mathematics
Arabic mathematics a term used by historians of mathematics and has nothing to do with the ethnicity of Omar Khayyám. —Ruud 22:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, my bad. Please use edit summaries in future to stop such misunderstandings --Rayis 22:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes that was my fault, although it is quite difficult to explain the history of such unfortunately chosen terminology in an edit summary. Cheers, —Ruud 22:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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Nowruz?
I proposed the move 5 days ago and only Jeff had objection and after my last comment (4 days ago), he didn't have any objection anymore. If you have any objection, participate in the discussion (in its talk page). Jahangard 01:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Racism by country
Thanks for offering feedback through the Request for Comment on Racism by Country. WilyD 17:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

One Million Signatures
Do you know anything about this? It needs sources. The Behnam 21:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah I added the tag to it!  It's on my rather long to do list.. --Rayis 22:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha, I probably should have checked that before coming over here! But you do know that it is notable? I personally never heard of it and found it just by going through the Iran-women related articles here. Then again I don't really keep up to date on all of the various opposition moves either, so I figured I'd ask you.  The Behnam 01:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It is notable I believe because a quick google search reveals that it has been cited in a number of secondary sources..


 * Oh and for the record it is more of a "reformist" movement than "opposition" (if we are gonna get technical :) --Rayis 11:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Your message
I have a class to go to in a minute and will be back in about 1 hour and 30 minutes, at which point I will be able to look into this situation. Natalie 22:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Daryush Homayun
Hi, I guess you can read Persian. Just take a look to these sources. -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 13:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Why did you remove some of notable events like February 18 and March 29. You could ask Leroy to add more sources.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 14:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll answer in the talk page of the article.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 14:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Contemporary history of Iran
Salam. Do you agree on making a wikiproject or at least a task force (like this)about Contemporary history of Iran which includes issues science 1900. Please write your idea in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Iran-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 06:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

King of Kings
King of Kings is still King. If it were Emperor amongst Kings, or what-have-you, that would be different. The article should only refer to the title that is implicitly stated, not the one that is implied. María ( habla con migo ) 15:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Do you intend to apologise for your behaviour or should we move this to the Administrators' noticeboard? Miskin 16:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I am willing to let go of your childish behaviour simply because I don't have time for it, should an admin warn or block you though, I would welcome it. --Rayis 18:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * So you insult me, you remove my edits, then you insult me again, and then you mock me. Are you sure you think you've done nothing wrong? Miskin 20:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Erm, you insulted me, removed my edits, threatened me, "reported" me, and then asked for an apology?! I had never came across such strange behaviour before. Now I ask you to stop posting on my talk page, if you want to carry this any further try RfC, ArbCom or whatever you think is suitable and good luck with it --Rayis 22:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Despite what you claim, I never insulted it you. I'd like a formal RfC procedure in order to have uninvolved parties examine the incident and judge on who insulted whom. I will keep reporting you until one of us gets disciplined. Or until you apologise. Miskin 23:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I asked you not to post here again but I see that you are not giving up. The insult was what I removed, and I have nothing further to add to that until you open up the RfC. As I have said a number of times previously, you need to chill out. Life is too short to get so upset over such things --Rayis 23:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

reform merge
I saw that you had restored the Iranian reformist page then moved it to a new title, and then copied things from the other page to it. So I got confused about this which could have been done directly by moving 2nd of K to a new title! So I wasn't sure what your question meant. In any case, I think the title should be in lower case as it is not a proper noun see: WP:TITLE--Gerash77 13:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Reza Shah
Dear Rayis, Please do not accuse me of Sock puppetry. Thanks Yima 17:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * So you go a head and accuse every other editor of that article as "bloggers" and "iranchamber" members while you come here and ask me not to accuse you of things? Give everyone a break, I am serious about this --Rayis 17:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Timeline
ببین مجبورم کردی فارسی برایت توضیح بدهم.

آقا روزشمار یعنی نوشته ای که به بیان وقایع بر اساس روند تاریخی آنها می پردازد. 

در یک روزشمار فقط حوادث و زمان وقوع آنها به طور روشن و دقیق ذکر می شود. علت ها و آثار وقایع در روزشمار نمی آید. این نه به نفع من است و نه شما. در اون روزشمار هم کلی اتفاق دیگر هست نظیر ترور مطهری، پیشینه سازمان مجاهدین خلق و غیره که من دوست دارم روشن شود. اما چون متوجه هستم که آن متن یک روز شمار است و یک مقاله فرعی از مقاله انقلاب ایران به شمار می رود لزومی برای افزودن هیچ توضیح اضافه به آن حوادث نمی بینم. فرض بر این است که هر خواننده ای مه بر سراغ یک روزشمار آمد می داند که روزشمار چیست. به علاوه در بالای آن مقاله به روشنی و صراحت بیان شده که برای مشاهده حوادث قبلی و بعدی و توضیحات بیشتر به کدام مقالات باید رجوع شود. همین طور در نظر داشته باش که ویکی پدیا یک هایپرتکست است و خوانندگان اگر توضیح اضافه نیاز داشتند می توانند با یک کلیک به مقاله های دیگر بروند.

متأسفانه پیشنهاد شما فقط مربوط به آن یک بند نمی شود. یعنی یا ما نباید هیچ جایی دلایل را بنویسیم یا باید همه جا دلایل را بنویسیم. آن وقت روزشمار تبدیل به مقاله انقلاب ایران می شود و همه به ما می خندند.

درخصوص شروع مقاله از آن تاریخ هم ظاهرا توافق بین تاریخ نویسان وجود دارد که انقلاب با این اتفاق شروع می شود. حالا اگر شما دوست داری از تاریخ دیگری بحث را شروع کنیم می توانی در صفحه بحث مقاله مزبور پیشنهاد بدهی تا دیگر ویکی نویسان در موردش نظر دهند.

نکته آخر اگر به خاطر فقدان بیان دلایل هزار بار روی مقاله برچسب بزنی من هم هزار بار آن را بر میدارم. مطمئن باش از شما هم سمج تر هستم. بهترین راهی که می توانم پیشنهاد کنم این است که به مقاله انقلاب ایران بروی و دیدگاه مورد نظرت را با ادله روشن بیان کنی. مطمئن باش هر کس که به روزشمار سربزند قطعا به مقاله اصلی هم سر خواهد زد.

-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 04:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * My comment is not threatening. Please go and show to whoever know Persian. I'm ready to use any Dispute resolution which you'd like.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 13:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See what you think of by suggestion for the timeline. --Leroy65X 19:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I started back that far (overthrow of reza shah) because the (muhamamd reza pahlavi) shah's installation by the UK and USSR suggests a lack, (or at least a weakness) to his legitimacy as monarch. Khomeini was fond of calling H.I.M. an "agent" as you may have heard. --Leroy65X 17:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * See if my latest stuff addresses your concerns suffiecently – Have a nice day Leroy65X 16:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 15:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I had read this issue from other sources before, but Homayun published it in Berlin in 2003.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 16:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Reza Shah - RE
I think it's best if you don't accuse this editor of being a sockpuppet or meatpuppet. Per WP:AGF, you should assume that other users are making a good-faith edit to improve the encyclopedia. However, you're right that it is also inappropriate for him/her to label other editors as "bloggers" and "Iranchamber", per WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Best if everyone cools down here, and holds off on editing the Reza Shah article for a while. I've already suggested that a request for comment on the article might be a good idea, if this dispute escalates. I will leave a message for Yima asking him/her not to describe other editors as "bloggers". Please contact me if you need any further advice. Wal ton  Vivat Regina!  17:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I don't really know the background to this case, and I definitely don't intend to take sides. You're absolutely right that Yima shouldn't be using terms such as "bloggers" and "Iranchamber" in discussing a content dispute, and I've left a message to that effect on his/her talk page. If you'd also like me to contact Artaxerex and explain that it's inappropriate for him to tell his students to edit the page, I'll do that. Hopefully this is a misunderstanding about policy, rather than deliberate disruption, and will soon be cleared up. Wal  ton  Vivat Regina!  17:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Update - Yima has also told me that s/he is leaving until December, and has agreed not to continue reverting the Reza Shah page. Wal  ton  Vivat Regina!  19:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked at the checkuser file (though the link you provided was broken, but I found the right one in the end) and it looks like you've been proved right about Artaxerex's use of sockpuppets. I'm sorry I argued with you previously, but I was only following WP:AGF. I suspect Artaxerex may now get blocked, if he continues using sockpuppets and describing other editors as "Iranchamber bloggers". Wal  ton  Vivat Regina!  12:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

3RR
I am not blocking you for 3RR at this time, but I strongly caution you not to take this as support for your actions. The article has been temporarily locked to prevent edit warring, and I will be monitoring the situation. Participate in discussion on the talk page and seek mediation if necessary (perhaps by requesting a third opinion, because any further edit warring after the block is lifted (whether or not it breaks 3RR) will result in a block without warning. Kafziel Talk 13:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for the kind words, and they are very much reciprocated. Regards, – Jeff3000 17:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Archiving
Please read the section in the talk area for information before reverting. All possible care was taken with preserving the votes and the voting record prior to archiving. Anyone can see the voting record in the archiove, and can see who voted. There is nopt reason to further clutter up the Talk Page with votes that are weeks old. The same vote choices have been left ont he talk page, and instructions on voting anew. Arcayne  (cast a spell)  21:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Arc, I had read the talk and I felt that you are pushing your POV (yes, your personal view) while you have or show very little respect for what others think and are asking for. Regards, --Rayis 21:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I will give you the opportunity to tell me exaclyt how i am pushing "my" POV. Aside for neutrality and a low tolerance for nonsense, I don't think i have one. However, if you feel I have one, please, point it out. Arcayne  (cast a spell)  21:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * By not respecting what Mardavich had pointed out, which I also later agreed with by reverting you. You still felt it was necessary for YOUR view to be what has to be! well my friend I think it is clear as..bottled water that you have your own views on matters however you strongly feel that YOUR view is the neutral one! Well, I hope that's answered your Q, --Rayis 21:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi!
Hi, I notice Makalp is on a vandalism binge, hope we can stop this. Hetoum 17:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Tehcir law
You are one edit away from breaking 3RR on Tehcir Law. The other editor's changes are not vandalism, and calling them that will not give you free reign to revert his changes. Please stop. Kafziel Talk 20:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Rayis, your calling everything vandalism is very disruptive, please stop doing that. denizTC 01:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah apparently its more of Turkish POV pushing --Rayis 01:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Please use the word vandalism very conservatively in the edit summaries. Those edits that you have marked vandalism in the past weren't necessarily POV-pushing either, as far as I remember. Just my two cents. denizTC 03:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps because they matched YOUR POV. Thanks, --Rayis 09:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

???
Amir jan don't let this featured article be ruined because some people don't like it, cheers. --Rayis 09:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't make people ashame of being polite . Certainly I could added numerous citation needed and asked reviewers to check it again, if I wanted. Then you even wouldn't have a good article. Do you know anything about assume good faith?-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 10:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

وضع مقالات برگزیده و خوب مربوط به ایران خیلی بدتر از اینه که بشه گفت. اگر می خواستم راحت می تونستنم کاری بکنم که الان هیچ کدومشون حتی مقاله خوب هم محسوب نشوند. اما وقتی میام برای امیر پیغام می گذارم که بیا مقاله را درست کنیم حتما حسن نیت داشتم. سعی کن درست برخورد کنی. -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 10:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you can understand why I write in Persian. If I wrote x and y articles are terrible and one of anti-Iranians read it, then you wouldn't have those GA or FA articles. -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 16:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I, personally, don't have any GAs and FAs. All I did was advise another user to watch out as you obviously wanted some serious changes, it doesn't personally effect me in any way --Rayis 16:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Iran 'gender apartheid'
I made a few edits at the section, and ended up removing it. After I removed 'tied in' things that weren't about 'apartheid', I realized that this was just undue weight on a minority view, so I had to eliminate the section. Bring up any further concerns on the talk page. Thanks for notifying me of the situation. The Behnam 16:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Most serious sources I've run into don't call the situation 'apartheid,' which IMO is insulting to those who actually lived in apartheid societies like South Africa. There is a definitely an inequality, but it is undue weight to place on such a strong allegation against Iran.  While there is was only one source, I'm sure others (like FFI) would probably agree, but strong POV sites don't stop the allegation from being 'fringe.'  Maybe if mainstream news sources repeated it a bunch every time they mention Iran it would be acceptable, or if a former President wrote an entire book making the allegation...  The Behnam 16:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Opposition writers? How am I supposed to take that seriously? Well, maybe it could be included under allegations, but I really find this an undue weight situation that trivializes real apartheid situations. The Behnam 17:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I may consider using Ganji's work, but I won't restore the Phyllis whatever's allegations. Can you link me to an actual Ganji document so that we can use some of his words?  The Behnam 17:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yo. I've started the section again, this time on the right foot by sticking to notable allegations in real sources. It obviously needs expansion. I'm also going to ask Sa.vakilian and Gerash to get opposing views to add balance. Feel free to expand on any more Ganji details without bounds of weight and NPOV. Cheers. The Behnam 17:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Please forgive me if you aren't the guy who tried to push irreliable libelous speech and remove another POV ( One of the striking features of the Iranian revolution was the large scale participation of women — women from traditional backgrounds — in demonstrations.[46] Some of this liberating effect has continued on, with, for example, large numbers of women in the civil service and higher education,[47] and 14 women being elected to the Islamic Consultative Assembly in 1996. Also there are women in Police of Iran for dealing with crimes committed by women.[48][49] ). -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I will assume that wasn't directed at me... Anyway, about the Phyllis, I just noted that she is a random feminist academic making extraordinary claims about Iran. Considering her lack of actual background in Iran, her obvious bias, and that fact that this was sourced to her personal website, I decided that the source wasn't extraordinary enough for the claim.  The feminist was making the usual feminist exaggerations; I don't know when you last went to Iran but it is not quite so 'horrible' as she claimed it to be.  It seemed like polemic exaggeration.  So I think we are better sticking to notable Iran-related people like Ganji and leaving the Phyllis out.  However, after we establish some claims built from people like Ganji, we may be able to mention briefly that she has made similar statements.  The Behnam 18:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Shirahadasha RfA thanks
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment on my my RfA, which was successful. I learned a lot from the comments, I appreciate everything that was said, and I'll do my best to deserve the community's trust. Thanks again! And thanks for your kind words and support. --Shirahadasha 04:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

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