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Posted on 3 January 2013
I don't how this works, but I was trying to edit a page called "Dirrty" and it says it's semi-protected. I wanted to edit the line "on her last world tour" into "on her latest world tour".
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Tagbilaran Accelerated Christian School
It looks like you were trying to nominate Tagbilaran Accelerated Christian School for deletion, but you ended up prodding the article and adding a four-year-old listing to today's log. I know the AfD process is confusing – have you tried using WP:Twinkle? It's a script that basically does it all for you. You can enable it in the Gadgets section of your Preferences page, then all you have to do is go to the article you want to put up for deletion, hover your cursor over the TW tab, and click "XFD". DoctorKubla (talk) 07:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to do lol it is confusing and thanks for the help. Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 08:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

"Decolora"
Could you please provide a source for this being the official romanization of デコロラ? I have not found anything to that respect other than incessant usage by the fandom.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 16:38, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I was gonna say something like "Besides the characters pronouncing it that way? I also saw a japanese logo somewhere" but I see you already reverted yourself. Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 17:44, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Girls' Generation discography
Hello I see that you don't want to have the sales of the singles on the discography page, as the sales are already on the individual singles threads, but i don't see the point of not including the sales as i think that: 1. The korean sales aren't on some of the individual singles thread 2. Every other Korean Acts use the same format, their threads all have the singles sales on their discography thread, even if there are already sales on the individual threads. Thank You Kk127 ( Talk ) 17:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see any featured discography or even a singles discography. You will notice that all of them have one thing in common: no sales figures for singles. If you can't find the Korean sales on some of the individual articles, feel free to add them there.  Thank you.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 23:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

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Joseph Heller
Hello, Raykyogrou0. In June 2013 you added a maintenance tag Joseph Heller suggesting that it needed cleanup for "MOS". It's not clear precisely which elements of the manual of style you were suggesting. Since June, six users have made changes to the article. If you would like to take a look at the current state of the article and describe on the talk page any problems you see remaining in the article, your input would be appreciated. Thanks, and happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 03:39, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Heartbeat (Enrique Iglesias song)
Template:Infobox album clearly says "For songs that appear on more than one album, list the song as a single only for the album(s) where the single was released as part of the marketing and promotion of that album". "Heartbeat" was not released as promotion for Nicole's album Killer Love. We only list the album that the song was originally released from and also only a remix of the song is included on Nicole's album not the actual single version of the song. Different record labels handle the two artists' albums. Additionally we do not add citations to the lead section per WP:LEAD. The information in the lead is a summary of information ALREADY sourced in the rest of the article.  → Lil- ℧niquԐ 1 - {  Talk  } -  16:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've written a significant number of WP:Good articles and I am well aware of the policy regarding treatment of singles and citations. "Heartbeat" was written with a tried and tested formula that has passed many rigorous tests and has worked on more than 10 GA articles and one FA candidate.  → Lil- ℧niquԐ 1 - {  Talk  } -  16:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Because of the references and coverage explicitly state that "Poison" and "Don't Hold Your Breath" were Nicole's first and second singles from Killer Love. If "Heartbeat" is considered a single from the album then that would make it the first single from the album which is simply incorrect. Not forgetting to mention that the version that appears on the album is not the same version that was promoted as a single. None of the coverage I've seen proclaims "Heartbeat" as a single from Killer Love let alone the first single from the album (which it would be due to the dates)m also Nicole and Enrique are not given equal billing, she's listed as a featured artist. Those are strong compelling reasons that outweigh the "timing" that you're proclaiming means that it was in support of the album campaign. Also, the two artists are on two different record labels thus their promotion for their singles comes from two different budgets. The releasing label for "Heartbeat" is Universal Republic, Scherzinger is signed to Interscope. Leads only require references where there is new content not mentioned elsewhere. As it says " Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material". I've restored the original lead which I wrote (the one at the article when you first edited was significantly different) that did not provide any controversial or challenging information that was not already listed elsewhere. The majority of articles avoid leads in the reference as they are redundant when the content is a generalisation of the contents of the article. Re-reading the current version do you disagree?  → Lil- ℧niquԐ 1  - {  Talk  } -  01:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Featured picture candidates/Speedball
Hi Ray (that's your name, right? :) Can you check the above nomination again? I added an alt for the second option. Tomer T (talk) 08:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the edit looks better this way.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 09:10, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Manual of Style: ampersands
Thank you for your recent alteration to Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2013. However per guidance at WP:&, the usage of ampersands are suppose to be replaced with the word and. This is something that has become more prominent throughout all Project Eurovision articles, and consistency needs to be maintained. Therefore I have reverted the alteration and reinstated the word 'and'. Wesley  Mᴥuse  18:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That guideline most generally applies to the use of an ampersand in text. It also states that an ampersand should be retained in titles of organizations.  The duo referred to is an organization, therefore I think the ampersand is more appropriate.   Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 18:33, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I've moved your reply from my talk page back onto this one, as it is preferable to conduct a conversation in one place, rather than in several places, makes life easier. A person is not an organization, they are a living entity.  The prohibition of & and replacing with 'and' is something which the Project Community agreed upon based on the guidance at WP:& and to maintain consistency.   Wesley   Mᴥuse  18:38, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I generally reply to someone's talk page when they post here because not everyone watches my talk page but they do get notified when someone edits their talk page. They are two persons.  They perform together as a duo, forming an organization.  Where is the link to that particular consensus?  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 18:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Well my talk page edit notice does state that I watch other's talk pages and prefer to respond wherever I initiate a discussion. Did you not notice that part?  Anyhow if a group/act prefer to stylise their act using the ampersand only then would we use it in exception to the community consensus, for example Ell & Nikki and Elitsa & Stoyan.  If a band do not use the ampersand or do not stipulate a preferred styling, then we adopt the usage of 'and'.  Until such can be established then the prohibition of '&' in their title should be adhered to.  Please respect what a project chose to do.   Wesley   Mᴥuse  19:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The tiny box at the side when you click "edit" on your page? Yeah, I didn't even see that unfortunately.  It says in the ref from that page that they use "&" in the name of their act. Anyways, my concern is that the MOS doesn't explicitly state that "and" is preferred to "&" for this case which is why I want to read about the consensus from the Eurovision project so it could potentially be added to the MOS.   Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 19:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you may be getting confused with Project and Community. The community policy for WP:& stipulates "The ampersand (&) substitutes for the word and (it is a form of Latin et). In normal text, and should be used instead: January 1 and 2, not January 1 & 2. Retain ampersands in titles of works or organizations, such as Up & Down or AT&T. Ampersands may be used with consistency and discretion in tables, infoboxes, and similar contexts where space is limited."  If you notice it states "discretion" for which Project Eurovision at the discretion of the project chose not to use the symbol (&), unless an act has established itself in the stylisation of using & instead of and.  I provided examples to show when the project use ampersand (&) instead of and; such as the groups Ell & Nikki and Elitsa & Stoyan, who's websites and material (CD's etc) all use the ampersand (&).  If an act's official website and material do not use the ampersand or if there is no supporting evidence, then the project opted to use and, purely for the fact that we are dealing with living persons (BLPs) and not organisation.  An organisation is something to which would sell stocks on the stock exchange.  No performing artist sells their "act name" upon the stock exchange, and thus means they are not an organisation.  It is commonsensical logic.  To add more logic to this, if the project had not made the decision to which I spoke of, then do you think I'd have brought this to your attention now, and more to the point would I have reverted you usage of the ampersand?  I would not have done such action, if the project didn't care less of its usage.   Wesley   Mᴥuse  21:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

I still have not received a link to the supposed decision that your project made. Does it even exist? Raykyogrou0 ( Talk ) 07:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You seem to be coming across as being very pointy. It is starting to feel like you are wanting things done your way, and give no care to what has been done for years by the project, is there a reason for this?  Like I said, if the project didn't have a problem with the use of the ampersand (&) then would I have even come here in the first place?  Use common-sense please!   Wesley   Mᴥuse  14:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't need your opinion of me, thank you very much. What I need is actual proof that it's not just you that prefers the use of "and" to "&".  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 15:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * And like I have said, would I have come here and brought this to your attention if no such decision was even made? No.  I brought this to your attention because it was decided, and the fact that you are not grasping that point is making this discussion feel like you are trying to illustrate a point, in a personal point of view perspective, purely because you don't like it, or that you are just refusing to "get the point".  If that is not the way it was intended then I apologies - but the way you are coming across does feel as such.  Do you realise how many archived talk pages there are for Project Eurovision?  Do you really expect me to trawl through them all just for you?  There is a real-world out there, and I do have more priorities to be dealing with, other than searching through loads of archives just to find the discussion.  If the project didn't careless about the use of &, then I would not have reverted your edit and brought it to your attention.  The fact of the matter that I did revert the edit, and mentioned it here should be evident that such decision was made by the project, and the fact that I have adhered to it ever since I was informed of such outcome.  Now if you don't mind, I think that this matter has reached a stalemate conclusion.   Wesley   Mᴥuse  16:48, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, well you see that's the thing. I can't find any discussion even remotely related to the use of an ampersand in your nine archived talk pages.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 05:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You assumed I said it was discussed on the Project talk page. I never stipulated which area it was discussed.  There are hundreds of archived talk pages across all 59 Eurovision Song Contest and 11 Junior Eurovosion Song Contest talk pages.  Going off memory it was discussed on a Eurovision talk page, and it was also stressed in the past on edit summaries by other members.  Even I got told off many a time for using the ampersand instead of the word 'and'.  So it is not just me picking on you over it all, I am merely passing on messages from experiences of my own with the project over usage of the symbol.   Wesley   Mᴥuse  13:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Ugh, I've just wasted the past hour trawling through article history for ESC 2010, ESC 2011, ESC 2012, and ESC 2013; as well as talk page archives. I've given up as there is so much to go through and to be honest I haven't the time or patience to search though thousands of historical edits.  So I think to save a lot of time and headaches, it may be an easier solution to reopen a discussion at WT:ESC, thrash out this entire ampersand debate, and see if other project members are able to recall discussions from the past.  Does that sound reasonable enough to you?   Wesley   Mᴥuse  15:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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New section on the Anime and Manga RfC
Hello there. Since the Anime and Manga RfC seems to have developed a consensus for the "It depends on notability and uniqueness of each adaptation", I have started a thread to see if we can offer metrics or further guidance for such case by case... erm... cases. I have no idea if such a thing is even possible to draft up, but since having it might help, I figured I'd try. The thread is HERE, and as a previous participant in the RfC I wanted to let you know about it using this overly long, rambling message. Cheers,  S ven M anguard   Wha?  16:11, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Matter is still not resolved/you have not replied.  Sni 56996  ( talk  ) 05:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Please see Talk:Sword of Spirit / Hope. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

RM
Hi. I don't know where it says it, but I've never seen anyone do it. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:13, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Does it matter who does it? Anyways, at Requested_moves/Closing_instructions it says "you may elect to re-list the discussion" but doesn't exactly state who can or can not do it.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 10:17, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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Misconceptions of Us
"Misconceptions of Us" is a not compilation album. It is a re-release. SHINee's 3rd album is devided into 2 parts and do not have an uniform name. It is the same for the album "Lucifer". The re-release of the album is named "Hello" and the re-release of "The Shinee World" is named "Amigo". It is not hard to understand but do what you want and stop to undo EVERYTHING. There were some other things I had fixed and you ruined it. And also you don't have to "perform a major overhaul that this article" just stay quiet before you mix up everything. --77.184.234.205 (talk) 14:34, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It is a compilation album because it comprises of two previously released albums just like The 20/20 Experience – The Complete Experience. That discography page needs some major cleanup anyways but inputting it like that is not helping. Cheers.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 14:38, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No it is a re-release of SHINee's 3rd album therefore it includes both parts of the 3rd album but it is not the name of the 3rd album because the album does not have an uniform name! This is also a Kpop group you can't compare it with american releases (The 20/20 Experience – The Complete Experience has seperated articles for both parts as well btw) it's the same for Jpop. SM Entertainment release a statement beforehand which said that the 3rd album would be devided, the re-release was released later to make more money. --77.184.234.205 (talk) 14:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * 20/20 Experience is therefore listed as a compilation album. Regardless, eventhough I am busy with other things right now I will remove it.   Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 14:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you want to remove? --77.184.234.205 (talk) 14:59, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Love & Girls
I just fixed the table, so wtf do you mean with no source? Seriously calm down. You should check what was edited first. --77.184.234.205 (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the point. The table looks exactly the same. I thought you changed the chart position.  Next time, write in the edit summary what you did exactly so other people don't get confused.  Also, please remember to stay civil, we are all human (as far as I know) and humans can make errors.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 18:28, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

22 December 2013 - Love & Peace (Girls' Generation album): Destructive editing
Please quit your counter productive editing/reversion (plus removal of typo-fix), on Love & Peace (Girls' Generation album).

In particular, you seem to have failed to read my annotated WP/MOS links, e.g. the now quoted AccDD / Accessibility: "Images should include an alt attribute, even an empty one, [...]". I have reverted your edit. If you have a MOS/WP rationale for change, please explain. Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 10:47, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Have you even read WP:ACCESSIBILITY? It doesn't say anywhere that you need to include empty parameters, except for the alt= which I've left.  If you want to link to a redirect that bad, use Linguafranc (song), because as specified in WP:NOTBROKEN, it "could potentially become an article" whereas Love & Girls, Linguafranc can not.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 11:23, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I have never quoted a text, in writing, without first reading it. Although I'm unsure of your difference between "even reading" and "reading".


 * Infobox/Alt =I inserted it 10 Dec, then:
 * on 21 Dec I noticed it'd been removed and reinserted, the 10 minutes later you removed it (I assumed good faith, but Accessibility ignorance in it being vital)
 * so upon reinsertion at 02:01, 22 Dec I included a linkthen, at 05:06 you removed the parameter
 * then, I again recovered it at 11:51 (with more specific WP:ACCESSIBILITY advice) and at 12:59 you removed it
 * then at 10:27, 23 Dec I recovered it (for the third time), this time with an explicit WP: quoted and since it appeared to me that you were being obtuse, I started this topic.


 * Thank you for quitting removal and filling the alt ...
 * "The cover art for the album. It portrays the girl group sitting, standing, or leaning against something in the corner of an art studio with paper flowers scattered on the floor. The peace symbol is plastered a few times on the image."
 * ... (I'll endeavor to improve it, when I've time). The visually impaired are especially keen on music and Wikipedia is far from optimal in supporting them, on music pagesthus this is an important area for WP:CSB. Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 13:47, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, to be perfectly clear I had no idea what the alt= parameter was for and since it was empty I initially just removed it. The reason why I asked if you read it is because it doesn't say anywhere on that page that empty parameters are to be included, except for the alt.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 13:55, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Infobox/Next_album =I have no weighty objection to this parameter since it is vanishingly unlikely that, if a further SNSD album comes out, there will not be an editor involved who's aware that linkage to the preceding sequence is the be specified. Thus, changes in the world at-large will positively prompt timely addition. So, although reverting it's inclusion seems a bit WP:BROKE / WP:OWNy, I don't think Wikipedia's detrimented sufficiently by it's absence to justify lengthy debate.


 * Infobox/Producer =This is a parameter for info' that's positively missing! The first editor who can source the info' may not know the template well, so I think it's a good idea to have in there ready.  I think it's part of an editor's duty to reduce the learning-curve for novice editors, as much as practicableabsence contributes to the impenetrability of WP editing, making more of a technocracy, which is certainly against the spirit of WP/MOS.


 * Whilst Wikipedia is missing the info', I think, it's also a good prompt to have the empty present, simply as a reminder.


 * Meanwhile, I think, the cost of having is minuscule, compared to those^^ potential advantages. However, I don't know of MOS/WP guidance dictating/recommending such inclusion. Do you know of guidance to remove it while absent?Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 15:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's hard to argue with that kind of reasoning. It doesn't really matter that much since it's invisible to the reader's eye anyway.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 15:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep, user view obviously has no bearing on inclusion or not.


 * "[...] hard to argue [...]"?: Are you conceding a keep-in? Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 16:47, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

&mdash; rybec   19:31, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

List of Pokémon
Hi. Please do not revert edits in their entirety just because the sourced links are dead. If you find that such links do not work, either make an attempt to fix them yourself, or eventually add a note asking for others to do so. A simple glance at the URLs would've told you they led to the Japanese Trademark Database at The Industrial Property Digital Library, a reliable source we have used for sourcing official romanizations on this article for years, and that the relevant sources for the edit can be found in this database. AdamantBMage (talk) 15:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, those dead links might as well have been links to japanese forums, fansites or who knows what. Not everyone knows everything about everything, but the fact that they were added by an ip user with just one edit makes one doubt its legitimacy. It's not okay to add links that were dead from the start, it is also not my in my interest to fix them.   Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 19:07, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * They were added by me while I was not logged in. The trademark database has been used to source lots of these romanizations in the past, but its session-based system requires using third-party software to provide copies of these sessions, which I do not know how to do. Given that you yourself only have one earlier edit to this page, if you have no intent to fix the links, please just leave them alone for someone to fix, as has been done in the past, instead of outright removing legit content from the article. I can add a call for this to the article talk page, but for now, don't remove this content from the article until things have been resolved. AdamantBMage (talk) 12:30, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Instead of just expecting other people to fix your edits, why not ask people beforehand? Since it doesn't appear that the links work and that cookies specific to the requesting computer are required on the first glance it doesn't look like archiving is possible. So you should provide clear instructions on how to access it (within the tags).  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 15:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, no need to provide instructions. I've figured it out.  Here, I've done two for you: Floette and Florges.  First, search for the term and when you get to the page that can't be linked to click on "[簡易表示]" in the upper-left corner.  The page will reload in green, then right click "[商品及び役務の区分並びに指定商品又は指定役務]" and copy the link to "URL to Archive [url]" here and fill in your e-mail (it's not visible to anyone) then click on Submit.  The page will reload and show that it archived the link at another url (i.e."http://www.webcitation.org/6MEWOkTaK".)--which can be used as the link here.  Hope that helps.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 18:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that helps. I'll go through the links shortly. AdamantBMage (talk) 16:13, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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