User talk:Raystorm/Archive4

Lost in translation
Hi Raystorm. I've a problem for my poor English :(. I'm trying to explain that two phrases in American (word) aren't good because they are the meanings of North American, but no of norteamericano. Please, look at my editions and talk page. Thanks. Lin linao (talk) 00:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC) PS: A citation for the Spanish meaning can be found here.

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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A new Oxbridge user box
Raystorm...I am currently in the process of writing a user box for all of the colleges that are part of Oxbridge. This template is meant to replace your current college template. Please take a look at the work in progress and comment on it. My main concerns are college abbreviations and color choice. I am using scarf colors for the colleges. Thank you. - LA @ 17:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Spanish article
When you get a chance, have a look over Cogam and see if it looks okay? Many thanks!! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess my main questions are a) is it notable and b) is it Cogam or COGAM? Seems the former is "Yes" - and the latter? Thanks for all your help!!! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. Acalamari 23:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :) You'll find it very useful. Acalamari 23:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Lost in Translation II
Hi. The article Darwin's Fox has an introduction obscure to me related to Spanish name and alternative name of this animal. Please, read Talk:Darwin's Fox, I need your help [again]. Thanks. Lin linao (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So, may I delete Chiloé Zorro?. I guess that is an English name as Lenga beech and should be in another sentence. Thanks. Lin linao (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Dance of the Forty-One
Hey there, darlin'! Long time no habla. I'm going through the list of clean-up at LGBT and I came across this article, made some changes and removed the tags, but there's a poem in Spanish that should be translated for en.wikipedia. Do you think you could take a look at it? I thought it was an interesting article. Never heard of it. --Moni3 (talk) 14:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.

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WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.

Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?

Harvey Milk and Jim Jones
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...

Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.

Lambda Literary Awards
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put  around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website.


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Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.

This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)

Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.

The Violet Quill and magazines
Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help.

A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation.

Mom's nagging for Pride Month
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy, Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult,  Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003.

It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.

- In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
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We miss you, Miss Julie, as well as all the others who have graced our project and are on wiki-breaks or just got fed up with all the nuttiness and went to live their lives. Get your stupid houses built and hurry up and come back. --Moni3 (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) To stop receiving this newsletter, or to receive it in a different format, please let us know here. If you have any news or any announcements to be broadcast, do let Moni3 know.
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Hiding, anyone?
Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky. Sup, girl. Since the CRC crap in the .es I haven't been able to contact you or talk with you. Guess the retarded pressure everyone's placing is pushing you to the edge. No worries, I'm going to lurk more here. On IRC if you still want to. See ya around. --Mushii (talk) 23:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Honest to be true, it was kinda annoying leaving you a message in between that via-dolosa styled talk page in .es, with mournings as if you were hit by a truck while trying to save a little white rabbit or something. YET! I think your choice was right and that your tactic was impeccable. Nothing else to add than I -effing- miss talking to you A LOT and that I hope you'll show your rear up in the LGBT channel (something we -must- pump up in the en version to gather *COUGH* fellow interested pals) more often now. I wanted to get your cell number yesterday to call you but Buce was in a "I don't know" mode and I was in a hurry so, yeah. If you want me to call you to have a small talk, mail me. You sure as hell know where to find me. Ttyl. --Mushii (talk) 13:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC) PS: I think I'm finally going to do my migration here, for the time being.
 * Yeah, but well, I guess I'm not really tolerant with this. If you want to laugh some, lookie what I found today (yeah, this is an old spanish blog of mine that I never used but, whatever). --Mushii (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

check your email
I've sent you an email. Aleta  Sing 23:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried. **** Nanny software won't let me get on freenode. Aleta  Sing 23:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your note of concern. While I would have reacted as Aleta did in her position, I am ashamed and embarrassed that so many know I am not made of granite, as I like to come across. I promise you I would never do anything which would make Isaac unhappy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffpw (talk • contribs)

Checking in
Thank you so very much for your love and concern in this difficult period. You have made a profound difference in my life. I'm OK, and just called Aleta to give her a status update (I'll be doing this daily until she tires of my voice :-). you're a great friend, and I look forward to starting to collaborate on articles once again. love, Jeffpw (talk) 22:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ^_^ Great to have you back! We're all behind you, you know. :D Lots and lots of love, Raystorm   (¿Sí?)  12:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a happy day--It's America's birthday!!!!!! I made this as my birthday present to America. Hope you enjoy it. Jeffpw (talk) 12:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. I love Graves' voice, it makes my hairs stand on end. It was beautiful, Jeff! :D No hippies, though? xD I was thinking, would it be possible to request something just like that, but of Spain? ^^ Hee hee Raystorm   (¿Sí?)  13:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Can do, honeybunch, but you have to give me the song! The only Spanish songs I can sing are Somos Novos and Grande, Grande, Grande. Jeffpw (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Arrrr, I don't know any good song that may rival with Sing, America. :( I can think of Barcelona by Mercury and Caballé, but... Oh well, how about Torero from Chayanne, to spice up the day? xD Raystorm   (¿Sí?)  13:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Though I know I am a recent widower, all I can say is; WOOF!!! Yummy!!!! Jeffpw (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol! If you say so... xD Raystorm   (¿Sí?)  13:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick note to say that there are hippies in the images. The images of Kent State were of peaceful unarmed hippie protesters shot dead by the National Guard while showing their opposition to the Vietnam war. Jeffpw (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I must have blinked or something, you're totally right. My bad. Raystorm   (¿Sí?)  13:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter (July 2008)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  13:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

SSM in Spain
Hi. I'll try to make a brief list of major flaws ASAP. OldEnt § 11:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Por si te sirve ;) --Ecelan (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Eustress stuff
Well, it rather surprised me how something that seemed to be on the road to resolution get sideswiped by a block that came out of nowhere, so I just had to raise my concerns about it. I'm an admin here, so I'm used to seeing a lot of irritated users (particularly new users) get calmer when treated with seriousness and respect, and resolving a conflict and moving on with a blank slate seemed like the best way to go in that scenario.

Thanks for taking a look at the situation. I do edit at es.wiki (or least, I used to when I had the time), so hopefully I'll see you around more often. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 06:07, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies Newsletter (June 2009)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Sources en español
Think you might be able to assist with sources per this discussion? Short version: I wrote Lesbian, but it's too focused on English sources. I should add some info from Spain and I'm working on some info about Germany. --Moni3 (talk) 18:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Pau Gasol
Hi. First of all, the formulation "Spanish Catalan" (or "French Catalan" as the case may be) already appears in quite a number of Wikipedia articles:


 * Joan Manuel Serrat
 * Pascal Comelade
 * Josep Carreras
 * Josep Pla
 * Mercè Rodoreda
 * Montserrat Caballé
 * Antoni Gaudí
 * Joan Miró
 * Salvador Dalí

In some cases the opening sentences of these articles have provoked a certain amount of bad-tempered discussion on talk pages, with Spanish nationalists wanting to remove the word "Catalan" and Catalan nationalists trying to pretend that Spain doesn't exist. "Spanish Catalan" appears to have gained some acceptance as a compromise solution, although that may not be relevant here.

In an ideal world I guess it would be enough to put Catalan (in the sense that no-one goes round reverting "Scottish" to "British" -- even though such reverts would be justifiable on the nationality/citizenship grounds put forward by those who insist that all Catalans are Spanish). Unfortunately, what happens then is that someone comes along and changes "Catalan" to "Spanish", which actually means that the article provides less information than it did before the change.

Other articles experiment with artificial formulations such as "Catalan-Spanish", "Spanish-Catalan", etc. This is misleading and could be seen as trying to imply the existence of some sort of dual nationality.

"Spanish Catalan", on the other hand, does no such thing. It is not equivalent, as you suggest, to "Italian Venetian" or "French Parisian". "Spanish Catalan" simply means a Catalan from Spain (as opposed to a Catalan from France, Andorra or Italy). You say that it is bad English. Would you say the same thing about "Swiss German"? (I'm not trying to imply a political or national equivalence here, merely a linguistic one.)

Finally, you ask for some examples of the use of the phrase "Spanish Catalan" in English. Here you are:


 * Tourist guidebook
 * Text on language education
 * Rugby league fan forum
 * Gene frequency data (scroll down to see the distinction Yale researchers make between French Catalans and Spanish Catalans)

The above are real-world examples of the use of an expression that you believe to be a neologism. I hope this helps clear up any doubts. Thanks for your time. Rabascius (talk) 00:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Pau Gasol again
Hello again! I am not aware of anything as reasonable as a community debate resulting in acceptance of "Spanish Catalan". It's more a case of people fighting their own POV corner and grudgingly accepting a compromise after being warned for edit warring. The following links to relevant talk page sections may give you an idea:
 * Carreras
 * Gaudí
 * Gaudí again
 * Miró

I think I have to concede that outside of Wikipedia I can't find any example of the use of "Spanish Catalan" to describe someone's nationality -- but then I don't agree that the use of the expression "Spanish Catalan" is necessarily a description of nationality in the sense that you mean. Let me explain: Pau Gasol is Spanish. This is a true statement (and in the infobox his nationality -- i.e. citizenship -- is given as Spanish. No problem there). Pau Gasol is Catalan. Another true statement. But "Catalan" is not circumscribed by "Spanish". Just as "Spanish" does not imply "Catalan", "Catalan" does not necessarily imply "Spanish" (see Pascal Comelade or Catalans Dragons). Hence the need to differentiate between French Catalans and Spanish Catalans. Saying that Pau Gasol is a Spanish Catalan basketball player means that he is a Catalan from Spanish Catalonia not French Catalonia. It is certainly not saying that he is not Spanish, or that he holds some sort of dual nationality.

Be that as it may, in view of my concession above (and despite my protestation that it's not about nationality), I expect you will be changing "Spanish Catalan" in the Pau Gasol article. To what, though? As I have said before, "Spanish" on its own is less informative, and less accurate, than "Catalan" on its own. But we both know that Spanish nationalism is not ready to let "Catalan basketball players" take their place alongside "Scottish painters" (see Jack Vettriano) and "Flemish composers" (see Wim Henderickx). Which brings us back to the reason why "Spanish Catalan" has crept into so many Wikipedia articles -- all of which you will presumably now be changing. Good luck with that :)

I would like to suggest an alternative solution for the Pau Gasol article:

1. Remove all reference to nationality from the first sentence. We already have the place of birth, and the nationality is given in the infobox, so there is no ambiguity. The first sentence would now read:


 * Pau Gasol i Sàez (pronounced IPA [ˈpaʊ̯ gəˈzɔɫ]) (born July 6, 1980 in Sant Boi de Llobregat, Barcelona, Spain) is a 2.13 m (7 ft.) professional basketball player for the Los Angeles Lakers of the National Basketball Association (NBA).

2. Edit the second sentence ("...he spent his childhood growing up in Spain" is a kind of odd thing to say. Or don't most people spend their childhood growing up?).

3. Replace with  The "Catalan name" template is already used at Joan Miró and, somewhat illogically, at Pablo Casals. It links directly to the Catalan names section of Spanish naming customs so this change should be fairly uncontroversial.

What do you think? Rabascius (talk) 00:10, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Peer review request
Hello Raystorm :P

I know you may not have an interest in the monarchy, but if you could spare the time prehaps you can take a view on Monarchy of Spain?

I've listed the Monarchy of Spain article for peer review because…

My eyes have been on it too long and not enough views that have generated comments! lol. I have watched the page for a year looking to see if there were improvements, but none. So, this past summer I started editing the artical answering questions that I myself would have for the Spanish monarchy. There are other sections I wish to add (such as the Monarchy, media, and the people), but before I go further I wished to get comments on what is present.

Thanks, ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 07:05, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll review it for you. I don't consider myself an expert on the subject, but I think I know enough to be able to spot if you've missed anything important. :) Have you heard the latest about the Dukes of Lugo? Apparently the divorce (the very first in the history of the monarchy in Spain, I believe) is imminent. I'll try to have a review for you by the end of the week, deal? Cheers! Raystorm   (¿Sí?)  11:36, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Great! Thank you very much Ray, I look forward to your comments!

I love a jucy bit of gossip! "If you don't got anything nice to say, sit next to me! (and share!)" As far as the Duchess and Duke of Lugo go, yes, it will probably be the first in the history of the monarchy. But times do change. I don't think it will really affect the popularity of the monarchy though, except perhaps in extream conservative circles. No doubt republicans will make much of it too. But are not most Spaniards more sanguine about such things these days? While dissapointed, I don't think the king will worry too much. I learned in my recent studies that he may have a Majorican mistress living in Switzerland, and issue by her! (Did you know that!) Her name was released in Italian, French, and British press but I haven't found it yet. And there are rumors that the king and queen's relationship has grown quite stormy behind the scenes too! But still, if he can do his job well then I leave their personal lives to themselves. ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 04:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

No long no see.
Heya, how goes? Really haven't been on wiki for a while now, I'm a second year at uni and there's lots to do and people to see. :) What you been up to? Dev920, who misses Jeffpw. 23:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)