User talk:Rbncwn

Clapton
Hello Rbncwn and welcome to Wikipedia. Thanks for your efforts to improve the Clapton F.C. article, but please stop adding the list of former players. These are generally frowned upon and there is general consensus that they should be avoided. Although you may find them elsewhere, this is simply because they haven't been found/removed yet. Happy to answer any questions you have about editing. Cheers, Number   5  7  10:25, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, amateur internationals would not be considered notable enough for articles unless they have played professionally at some point in their career. Number   5  7  10:26, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I you have added the list yet again. Please be aware that we have an editing convention on Wikipedia called WP:Bold, revert, discuss (or WP:BRD for short). In short, this means that if an edit of yours is undone, you are expected to discuss the change and gain consensus for it rather than continually attempting to make the same change over and over again. It would be appreciated if you could remove the list yourself this time. Thanks, Number   5  7  10:29, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh really? I wasn't aware. It appears many other football clubs Clapton's stature have sections devoted to former players. Clapton have 5 full international players among the list and others who played professionally and those with their own wikipedia pages.
 * Yes, unfortunately there are several articles where the lists have not been discovered due to the relatively low amount of views/edits. The lists are really quite a bad idea as some non-league clubs can have hundreds of former players with articles (Blyth Spartans have over 200). Number   5  7  10:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Is there a model I can use to make a more selective reference to former players? Such as Walter Tull & Vivian Gibbins.
 * Dulwich Hamlet F.C. would be a good model I think.
 * Also, with regards to the first game at the ground, there seems to be differing sources over the date. This says 29 September 1888 and a 1–1 draw. This (which seems to be a virtual copy of the first source) says 24 September 1887. This book, which is probably a more reliable source, says the first match was in 1888.
 * I noticed that you changed the result to a 1–0 win for Clapton despite both sources saying it was 1–1. Number   5  7  19:57, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I think you're correct with the result. In regards to the date of the first game at the OSD, I think it was widely believed to be in 1888, until Groundtastic Magazine discovered the earlier game. It's referenced on this website (https://claptonfootballclub.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/126-years-at-the-old-spotted-dog/), which I believe is run by the same people who set up the page as reference (8). It may have been the case that Clapton played there before agreeing to take up the tenancy.
 * It seems to be a bit odd that both matches being referred to were against Old Carthusians and both had an attendance of around 700. They seem to be the same match, just with different dates. Is it just that someone got the date of the match wrong? Number   5  7  15:19, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

It's quite possibly the same match, but the date appears to have been widely revised to the 1887 date since the publication of Groundtastic edition GT72 - http://www.groundtastic.co.uk/5.html
 * Is there a source anywhere aside from a twitter post or blog that lists the date as 24 September 1887? Number   5  7  17:05, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Just the site that was used in the original reference, appears to have revised the date to 1887 - http://www.claptonfc.info/osd/acv.htm The ACV application was made last year, so this will be a newer page on the website.
 * The problem is that sites states the date as 29 September 1887 not 24 September. 29 September was a Thursday. Number   5  7  18:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, this appears to be a mix up on this site. the 24th was a Saturday in 1887. I'm yet to see the newspaper clipping about the 29th September 1888, though. It appears there is very little I am able to do with this page, judging by the rejection to the update on the 'supporters' section. I tried using Dulwich Hamlet's page as a model by referencing attendance statistics as well as using a national publication to replace a reference that no longer exists. I'll quit before I waste anymore time.
 * The attendance details are still there, I just moved them and referenced them in a better way. The other reasons for removing the changes was that you were leaving the references are bare urls and referring to the club or ground by their informal names – Wikipedia is supposed to be an encylopedia so should avoid using colloqualisms. I didn't realise the Dalstonist link was broken so I have replaced that. However, secondary sources are always preferred to primary sources (i.e. the Ultras website). Number   5  7  19:11, 15 October 2017 (UTC)