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Mass MfD'ing
Please remember that you need noinclude tags for deletion notices, otherwise you nominate ~16 other userpages at the same time, and a few more things for deletion also. Thanks. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  10:03, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops, my bad. Thanks for noticing and adding it.  Rcsprinter  (babble)  @ 10:11, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter
Hey. I'm dropping you a note because you've been using the Page Curation suite recently - this is just to let you know that we've deployed the final version :). There's some help documentation Page Curation/Introductionhere that shows off all the features, just in case there are things you're not familiar with. If you find any bugs or have requests for new features, let us know here. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Image deletion
Hi. I'm confused by the tag you put on File:Soul2SoulII2006.jpg. If an image is being used on a fair use basis, why does it matter exactly what its source was? There's no doubt that it is under copyright, but the fair use rationale should allow it to be included in the one article where it is. Or have I missed something here? Thanks. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Every image, regardless of its copyright status, must have some source information, be that own work, a URL, whatever. But Google Images does not count because that is only a search engine. That's like saying Obama has bunny ears because I found it on Google, but no specific link is given. It's all part of RS.  Rcsprinter  (state the obvious (or not))  @ 11:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

RFD
Please note WP:NACD "Closing discussions in which you have offered an opinion or for a page in which you have a vested interest (i.e. a page that you have edited heavily) should be avoided." You can't close it and drmies was withdrawing his personal attack - the nomination was by me not him and his withdrawal had nothing to do with the nomination. Really if this is the level of non-admin closure you've been carrying out then someone should be reviewing all of your recent closes. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 15:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Howabout somebody closes it then. There's no harm it existing.  Rcsprinter  (deliver)  @ 16:32, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Normally I would be gobsmacked to see an editor closing a discussion in which they have such a vested interest, especially as there is no clear "keep" outcome anyway. With Rcsprinter however nothing surprises me. I previously had to revert their closure of an AfD in which they had !voted.--Charles (talk) 17:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Could we please avoid piling on and needlessly denigrating other users? That comment is neither productive nor conducive to a pleasant editing environment, and while it does demonstrate some prior history of trouble surrounding NACs, there is a very simple solution here. Rcsprinter, would you consider not doing NACs for the time being? Uninvolved admins can do the closures, and you're better at other things anyway. -— Isarra ༆ 21:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I've asked at WP:ANI for an uninvolved admin to look over your NACs, I do think there are concerns there but an uninvolved admin looking over them could dispel my concerns. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 22:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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Your AfC reviews
Just a heads up since you were the reviewer, I have PROD'ed ‎Software Portfolio Rationalization. LegoKontribsTalkM 02:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Power+Water Middle East 2012. LegoKontribsTalkM 02:38, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Jim Balfanz. I'm going through most of your AFC approvals right now. LegoKontribsTalkM 02:55, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) Software Portfolio Rationalization: PROD; notified  02:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) * Reason: Written like an essay, contains a lot of WP:OR. Not encyclopedic.
 * 3) Power+Water Middle East 2012: PROD; notified  02:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) * Reason: Written like an advertisement, not encyclopedic.
 * 5) Jim Balfanz: PROD; notified  02:44, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) * Reason: Written like an essay, most content is an advertisement. May not meet WP:GNG.
 * 7) Virtual Piggy: PROD; notified  02:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) * Reason: Mainly advertising, notability is borderline.
 * 9) Eric Mika: PROD; notified  03:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 10) * Reason: Advertising, written like an essay, and does not meet WP:GNG
 * 11) Maalouf Ashford & Talbot: PROD; notified  03:16, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 12) * Reason: Written like an advertisement, notability is borderline.
 * 13) Massively Parallel Processing (MPP) Shared Everything Architecture: PROD; notified  03:18, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 14) * Reason: Filled with original research, notability is not explained.
 * 15) OtterBox: PROD; notified  03:23, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 16) * Reason: Written like an advertisement, most sources are user-content sites and do not establish notability.
 * 17) Marc David Lewis: PROD; notified  03:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 18) * Reason: Written like an advertisement, subject is notable, however it's mainly a linkfarm.
 * 19) New Economics Institute: PROD; notified  03:42, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 20) * Reason: Written like an advertisement, non-notable, non-encyclopedic.
 * 21) JamiQ: PROD; notified  03:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 22) * Reason: Advertisement, not notable.
 * 23) Law Students' Legal Advice Program (LSLAP): PROD; notified  03:56, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 24) * Reason: Non-notable, written like an advertisement and an essay.
 * 25) Ricky Dillard: PROD; notified  04:01, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 26) * Reason: Notable, but written like an advertisement and an essay.
 * 27) The Mint Project – Historic Houses Trust: PROD; notified  04:05, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 28) * Reason: Advertising, written like an essay.
 * 29) Sporting-Sails: PROD; notified  04:08, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 30) * Reason: Written like an advertisement and an essay, also a WP:LINKFARM.
 * 31) Meriem Maza: PROD; notified  04:09, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 32) * Reason: Written like an advertisement, major WP:LINKFARM.

I made 2 CSD nominations:
 * Cielo 69: multiple criteria (A7, G11); notified 03:13, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Shajid Salim: CSD A7 (db-band); notified 03:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I still have a few to go through, here is where I stopped for today. I decided that I would rather PROD them to see if they could be fixed rather than CSD many of them. Most of them were at the point where it was easier to WP:BLOWITUP. LegoKontribsTalkM 04:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * And I found another problem that Lego missed:the article on Ricky Dilliard which he prodded, I took a look at it, and it was obviously professionally written, so I checked the ref to his bio on his blog, and there it was, at http://rickydillardlive.blogspot.ca/2008/01/biography-ricky-dillard.html .I deleted as G12 When something looks both smooth & promotional,   I usually find something like that.
 * It is absolutely essential for any promotional page that you check the websites. Sometimes, like here, they're conveniently listed in the article. Sometime they're not, and that's a real warning sign that the editor is just a little more clever. Every contemporary person who might conceivably be notable in the US and Europe at least has at least one personal page somewhere.
 * The  rough criterion for accepting AfCs is the that they must be able to pass speedy and have at least a decent chance of passing AfD, It is no help to the editor to accept something that won't.   The most basic check is for copyvio.   You should try to develop a greater awareness of its prevalence.  DGG ( talk ) 04:15, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose I have always favoured the accept button... I will try to do more checks and be ready to decline next time.  Rcsprinter  (state the obvious (or not))  @ 08:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Sigma's RFA
I have copied this comment from Requests for adminship/Σ – LegoKontribsTalkM 09:33, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I have noticed I am mentioned quite frequently in the above oppose. I agree with your well thought-out points about co-noms perhaps targeting me after my recent neutral !vote in this RfA. Two things I need to say though; I think that the co-noms investigating my AfC reviews was sparked by a recent event on IRC (no screenshots this time) involving Fire and Water. It was just a coincidence they were nominators, although that could have had something to do with it. Also, what do you mean by whistle-blower? Don't get it.  Rcsprinter  (deliver)  @ 08:42, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Rcsprinter, I want to assure you that I was not trying to "target" you because of your vote, I merely was trying to clean up a situation I did not think was desirable.
 * Also, I was not aware of Kudpung also reviewing your AfC contributions, I thought it was just me (from the co-nominators).
 * What exactly are you referring to when you mention a recent event on IRC involving Fire and Water.? What is Fire and Water? After I had made a few PROD nominations, I asked Dru of Id in the public #wikipedia-en-helpers channel to review my PRODs to ensure that they were within policy, and asked him to do so a few more times that night.
 * Once again, I would like to apologize if it came on as I was targeting or attacking you for your vote, that simply was not the case. I discovered that an AFC reviewed article was lower quality than I expected it to be, and noticed that you were the reviewer. I decided to go through a few other articles, and after the first 3 I marked, I made the decision to go through the rest because they were not up to the quality that I expect out of AFC articles. I tagged a total of 17 articles for PROD (removing one after consulting with another user on IRC), and 2 were tagged for speedy. User:DGG then did the due diligence and noticed that Ricky Dilliard was a copyvio. He left me a note on my talk page, so I let him know that I would check through the rest for copyvios. I found two partial copyvios (listed at User_talk:DGG) and one blatant copyvio (Meriem Maza), which has since been deleted. The others seemed to check out.
 * I also tried to PROD when possible so there would be a buffer period of 7 days and so other users could object (as one did), and I also believe another PROD tag was removed after some content removal.
 * Thanks, LegoKontribsTalkM 09:33, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant power and water. Don't want any more drama please, just do what you have to do with them.  Rcsprinter  (rap)  @ 09:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm don't understand the phrase "Power and Water" either. Do you mind explaining?
 * And great, I don't want any more drama either! Thanks, LegoKontribsTalkM 09:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Power+Water Middle East 2012, you linked to it yourself. Dru of Id might be able to say more on that, it was something about an employee being fired if it wasn't accepted.  Rcsprinter  (talk)  @ 10:18, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * D'oh. Yeah Dru of Id explained that one to me after I PROD'd it. I totally understand what you did in that circumstance and why you did it, so no hard feelings. Happy editing, LegoKontribsTalkM 10:41, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for taking care of the issue on my talk page! AutomaticStrikeout 20:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It was nothing; just acting in good faith removing something that looked as if it wasn't to be placed there.  Rcsprinter  (talk to me)  @ 14:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

GA Ban
I think it would be wise to relist this in a few days, after the Jack Merridew thing is closed. A fluke of timing prevented anyone from seeing the request. It's a 'no one pays attention to a guy looking for directions when there's a four alarm fire the next block over' kind of thing.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  05:50, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I will.  Rcsprinter  (post)  @ 16:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thx
... for this. You beat me to it. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 16:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, no problem. All in a day's work.  Rcsprinter  (deliver)  @ 16:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

SS in Canada
Hi. The user reverted my edits adding rail-interchange to some VIA Rail station articles in Canada. Could you explain what I should do now? -happy5214 10:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, somebody who isn't me has been helping with the project?! :) Why didn't you say so before and make a note on the page? Thanks for it all. You should have said it was for Operation SS in your edit summaries, and then the IP wouldn't have been mistaken. I'll just revert and give them a note. Thanks!  Rcsprinter  (speak)  @ 16:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks. -happy5214 17:08, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What the hell is Operation SS? Are you a Nazi? You have added a linked logo to an existing text link for Via Rail stations. What is the purpose of that? Is this something that you decided to do on you own rather than being a proper Wiki project? If you want to do this at least you could tidy things up so there is not overlinking. I have cleaned up Abbotsford railway station. If you don't want to do this with some care and consideration, then just stop. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome to my talkpage, Secondarywaltz. I must say your message on here was rather unprecedented, what with us never having made our acquaintance before or you being involved in the subject of the section (afaik). Now, in response to it, I'm afraid I must inform you that no, I am not a follower of Fascist ways, however much you may have been hoping I said yes. You appear to be saying that like its a bad thing and I must remind you of WP:NPOV. So what if I am?
 * I will point you towards User:Rcsprinter123/Station symbols. This SS thing was brought up on a recent RfD in which the redirect of Wikipedia:Operation SS was put into question. I must tell you that it simply means "station symbols" and has absolutely nothing to do with the Schutzstaffel, this is merely coincidental. Furthermore, why not do it on my own? Is there a rule against that? Not like its entirely private anyway; people are encouraged to help. On my defence the thousands of pages I have added it to we're largely clean additions and have had no trouble at all. I won't just stop, although I do stop and start whenever I feel like it.
 * Summarising then, Secondarywaltz, it's fine and why are you poking your nose in? Have a good day editing!  Rcsprinter  (natter)  @ 21:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I had no idea what that meant and the reference to SS was a "light hearted" comment to break the ice since, as you pointed out, we have never communicated before. I am not poking my nose in - you are, by stomping over Canadian railway stations, and creating duplicate Wililinks there without properly explaining what this is about. . . . and Yes - I will help, whenever I am editing Via stations. If you look at Abbotsford railway station, that I refer to above, you will see that I have removed the previous, now redundant, link to Via Rail and cleaned up the look of the infobox heading. I think this is a good enough project for you if applied with care - now that I know what you are trying to achieve. Have fun. Secondarywaltz (talk) 00:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 03:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Topic ban rescinded
Hi Rcsprinter123. Per consensus at [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=518258423 the administrators' noticeboard], I have rescinded your GA review topic ban. Please go slowly and use caution as you return to that area. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 04:48, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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Some Confusion
Dear Rcsprinter123. You recently rejected an article,, saying that it contained phrases from something called "noozley.com", "shutking.blogspot.com" and "waatp.com". However, those sites are not related to the article, and the article certainly does not contain phrases from them. Could you either clarify your reasoning or let me know what phrases you are referring to? Thanks, Osama10al (talk) 17:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, my tool seemed to pick them up and the duplication detector agreed with me. Wait and see what the next reviewer thinks if s/he wants to pass it.  Rcsprinter  (state)  @ 19:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

RfA
Was it really worth  wasting  an edit with this observation? I don't think anyone will notice it, but it's really  only  adding  more drama. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Waste an edit? What is that supposed to mean? I was only observing anyway, nobody needs to reply or create drama or berate Kumioko for it.  Rcsprinter  (state)  @ 19:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

AFD: Jim DeBerry
Hi! This article, which you reviewed and accepted a few days ago is nominated for deletion. Having your thoughts on this could be useful! :) Bjelleklang -  talk 12:42, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Already there, I corrected some formatting errors when this AfD was created. I don't think I will comment because really I don't care less whether or not it exists. I simply moved it to the mainspace; please don't criticize me because I missed something.  Rcsprinter  (speak)  @ 19:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't mean this as criticism, just wanted to let you know in case you had any thoughts :) Bjelleklang -  talk 20:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Your review of Template:Did you know nominations/Toyota 92C-V
I was wondering what your criteria were for approving this nomination, given the many violations of DYK rules involving both hook and article. Under the circumstances, you might wish to review both WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG before your next DYK review. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:56, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Adoption?
Thus far, I've asked WTT (who hasn't replied--probably caught up in the aftermath of Sigma's RFA) and Ryan Vesey, who is busy with college. I noticed that you had an adoption program and had previously been adopted by WTT, so I thought I'd drop by and ask about your adoption program. Thanks--Go Phightins! (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's all correct. What do you need to ask about it?  Rcsprinter  (rap)  @ 23:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I was just curious what it entails...Go Phightins! (talk) 02:54, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * And also if you're currently accepting new "adoptees", I suppose is the term. Go Phightins! (talk) 14:32, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to adopt? Go   Phightins  !  01:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

It's a programme of lessons with a test at the end, resulting in "graduation". I am currently taking on new adoptees, but only want to focus on one at a time due to real life commitments. You want me to adopt you? OK, if that's what you want. You do seem relatively experienced already though...  Rcsprinter  (state)  @ 14:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I've only been editing actively for a few months and want to brush up/learn policies more in depth plus take whatever wisdom I can get from those with more experience than I. Go   Phightins  !  19:05, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * So if you could set that process up, I'd appreciate it. Go   Phightins  !  20:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I will, probably tomorrow or at the weekend when I have some more free time. See you then!  Rcsprinter  (Gimme a message)  @ 19:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Go   Phightins  !  19:29, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, you can find it at User:Rcsprinter123/Adopt/Go Phightins!. Read each lesson and do the test; I will archive it as we go along. Eventually go will get to the final exam. There's no need to ping my talk page each time something's ready there, I'm watching it. Remember to sign your posts!  Rcsprinter  (constabulary)  @ 13:13, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Quick question, is the test already somewhere on the adoption page, or do I have to wait for you to transclude it to the page? Go  Phightins  !  17:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Replying there.  Rcsprinter  (lecture)  @ 18:47, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for editing the article 'Beth Johnson' for me. I really appreciate the help. It took me about 15 minutes to figure out how to say thanks - I could never have actually changed anything myself! Cheers! Beth Johnson Ocanada73 (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's okay, but I have never actually edited Beth Johnson or had anything to do with you except ask the question.  Rcsprinter  (rap)  @ 23:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Gangnam Style barnstar
Hey, thanks for that! EzykronHD (talk) 04:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2012 October newsletter
The 2012 WikiCup has come to a close; congratulations to, our 2012 champion! Cwmhiraeth joins our exclusive club of previous winners: (2007),  (2008),  (2009),  (2010) and  (2011). Our final standings were as follows:



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Talkback
User:Rcsprinter123/Adopt/Test/Go Phightins!

I think there's a problem. Go  Phightins  !  20:53, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, you get the idea of the link, even though it's red. Go  Phightins  !  20:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you press save?  Rcsprinter  (speak)  @ 20:59, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've started the non-practical test, aren't the tasks supposed to appear at the top of that page? Go   Phightins  !  21:00, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You were supposed to change USERNAME to your name.  Rcsprinter  (talk to me)  @ 21:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I moved what I did to a new page here. Go   Phightins  !  21:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, I found it here. Should I make the edits on that page? Go   Phightins  !  21:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've sorted everything out. USERNAME isn't a magic word you know.  Rcsprinter  (talkin' to me?)  @ 21:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for your frustration. I should have figured that out. It's been a long day. Go   Phightins  !  21:08, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit /Test/Go Phightins!, not the preload. This wasn't supposed to be so complicated!  Rcsprinter  (yak)  @ 21:10, 16 November 2012 (UTC)