User talk:Rdsmith4/Archive 6

June 26 - September 4, 2005

Ant copyvio on DYK
Yes, thanks. I much prefer replacing over removing. Especially when there's just 3 items there. (Next time, please remember to leave the item with the image on top). - Mgm|(talk) 08:25, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Edits to Template:Please leave this line alone
Well, something needs to be done to the page, because it renders over the text in IE for me now (which was why I was trying to fix it in the first place). So you can see what is happening, I have placed images of what I see here (warning: big images). I am using IE 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp2.050301-1526. CoyneT talk 28 June 2005 19:26 (UTC)

Additional note: Maybe it just has to do with width/maxwidth. I am told by something I read that maxwidth:60% doesn't work; what I had tried was reversing them, so that width was a percentage and that maxwidth was set in pixels. Just FYI; maybe it will help. CoyneT talk 28 June 2005 19:29 (UTC)


 * More: The problem I am seeing seems to be "skins" related. If I'm on "Classic" skin (to which I somehow wound up configured), the bottom block is rendered over the text, otherwise not.  It looks okay if I'm configured for Monobook. CoyneT talk 29 June 2005 21:27 (UTC)

FOX News
Would you mind checking out Talk:FOX News and helping us in our conflict? I don't care what your FOX alignment is, or what your opinion is on the issues there, I'm just trying to bring more editor attention there (and I saw your username as one of those making archives in the talk page, so I figured you were on there). Thanks. &mdash; Ilγαηερ   (Tαlκ) '' 28 June 2005 23:37 (UTC)

John W. Garrett Infobox
If you insist on keeping the infobox, then please do something about the grotesque image distortion that the box causes...and also the problem of the horizontal rule that bisects it. What's the point of the infobox, anyway? It's not like a species taxobox that displays information that would be cumbersome to put into the text. The infobox information goes easily into a biography. I prefer a simple picture with a caption. The infobox makes the image look like a reflection in a fun house mirror. User:12.227.131.190 30 JUN 05

Okay, you (or somebody) fixed the horizonal rule problem. Now, what about the stretched image? User:12.227.131.190 1 JUL 05

Good work! I still don't see much point in having the infobox, but it no longer looks silly, at least not in this case. User:12.227.131.190 4 JUL 05

"Merge" template voting
I've set up two separate votes on the "merge" templates' discussion page. One pertains to the templates' wording, and the other pertains to the templates' visual design. Users may vote on neither, either or both of these issues.

Please note that I've posted this invitation on the talk pages of everyone who has expressed a preference for either wording and/or visual design. &mdash;Lifeisunfair 3 July 2005 19:49 (UTC)

Kindly do not use your sysop rollback in a content dispute. Also, editing a protected page to engage the dispute for which it was protected is quite contrary to the protection policy. &mdash; Dan | Talk 3 July 2005 22:57 (UTC) (from User talk:Radiant!)


 * According to that policy, violet/riga should not have protected the page:


 * "Admins should not protect pages which they have been involved with (involvement includes making substantive edits to the page or expressing opinions about the article on the talk page)."


 * And if the page should have been protected, it first should have been restored to the version for which twice as much support had been expressed.


 * I also don't know why violet/riga didn't protect the mergefrom and mergeto templates, which are involved in the same edit dispute. (I mentioned this fact on violet/riga's talk page.)  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 4 July 2005 00:34 (UTC)


 * Sorry, if it wasn't clear, I meant my comment for Radiant, and wasn't replying to you. As for reverting the page to the "consensus" version and then protecting it, that would be even more out of line. Violetriga was in fact only marginally involved, and hadn't taken part in the edit war. Anyway, this is no big deal, since the issue will presumably be resolved by the vote. &mdash; Dan | Talk 4 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)


 * It was clear that you were addressing Radiant. I was just adding my 2¢.  And yes, the voting should take care of this dispute.  :-)  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 4 July 2005 01:07 (UTC)


 * I have intentionally stayed away from that debate and the voting in it, thus I wouldn't consider myself an involved party in the dispute. The issue is a somewhat larger one - Netoholic has a tendency of ignoring consensus and unilaterally imposing his own view on templates. This was discussed in a lengthy talk I had with him and Kim Bruning about a week ago (at the end of which, Kim blocked him for revert warring). Unfortunately, Kim has since resigned from Neto's mentorship; but Netoholic has lately been doing precisely those things that got him into the RFAr injunction in the first place. Yours, Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; July 4, 2005 07:09 (UTC)

Re: stub
Hi - sorry if my reversion seemed a bit peremptory, but there wasn't really space in the edit summary to explain. Your edit was to stop a link to wikispace in a template - normally a good move. However, in the case of this particular template it is - as noted at the top of its talk page - maintained by WP:WSS in an attempt to bring some sort of order to Wikipedia. Since the aim of that project is to reduce the use of the simple generic stub template, it makes more sense to have the very short explanation as to better templates that can be used than not to. Much of the talk in the template's talk pages is also related to the wording, and there seems to be a fair degree of consensus as to having some sort of message saying "place a more precise stub message" - the link is the most obvious way. In fact, your last message on the talk pages, about a month ago, was answered by someone suggesting that the link would probably attract more editors - not a bad thing. Grutness...  wha?  5 July 2005 05:14 (UTC)

GNAA

 * Begging your pardon, are you being serious about the last bit? Do you intend to continue listing this article on VFD every six months? That sounds an awful lot like intentional disruption to me. Incidentally, this causes a lot of work for me as an IRC op, since they always barrage #wikipedia with floods and nonsense. &mdash; Dan | Talk 8 July 2005 20:22 (UTC)
 * I've only listed that article on VfD once, and I would not have done so if I'd known its recent history at the time. However I don't think it's unreasonable to list borderline articles like this, as long as it's at reasonable intervals.  It's been over six months so I was fine with the nomination and, on procedural grounds, felt that what was evidently a good faith nomination should be honored.


 * On disruption, well I don't think different individuals not in a conspiracy VfDing an article infrequently would amount to disruption, although the trolls may attempt to disrupt the discussion. If you get problems on #wikipedia just put it into moderated mode. If you get server problems complain to the people who run the server until they boot the trolls. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 8 July 2005 20:45 (UTC)

Invitation
Hi Rdsmith4, you made some very nice timelines some time ago. I would like to invite you to read and comment on my project proposal for a Grand Unified Timeline of Human History. Erik Zachte 8 July 2005 23:32 (UTC)

Graphic for Template:Vfd
I see that you removed the graphical icon that I thought would be appropriate for the VFD template. Do you really believe that template should not have a graphic in it? I put it in because I thought it looked distinctive from a distance. Denelson83 21:51, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

HELP
Hi im a wikipedia user. can u plz tell me how to create a page and post it on the wikipedia site. thanks a ton, Simran


 * 1) Type the title in the Search box (say, "Testpage") and click Go.
 * 2) If it does not exist, you'll end up on a Search page; near its beginning you can read « You searched for "Testpage" [Index]». Click on the Testpage link.
 * 3) You will now be at a page offering some options, the first one being « Start the TestPage article ». Click that.
 * 4) Type in your article, not forgetting to put in the links, proper orthograph, categorisation and interwiki links (to other languages). Click « Show preview » until satisfied, then click « Save page ».
 * Urhixidur 22:55, 2005 July 11 (UTC)

McLaren link
Hi, the only reason I added "nowiki" to the "McLaren" link on Talk:Team McLaren was because I'm working on Disambiguation pages with links. As such I've reduced the links to "McLaren" to the point were only these remain: I wanted to remove Talk:Team McLaren just for the sake of completeness, but if you would prefer to leave it like it is I don't mind. Cheers Mark 17:34, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links
 * Talk:Team McLaren
 * Mclaren (redirect page)

Renault Sport
I noticed that you created the redirect Renault Sport → Renault F1. As Renault Sport (offically Renault Sport Technologies) is separate from Renault F1 I've created an independent article on that page to reflect that.

From research I think its true to say that Renault's participation in F1 was as Renault Sport from 1975 (creation of Renault Sport) to 1997? Do you know if that's right? Then with the purchase of Benetton Renault F1 was run as a distinct division (that I'm pretty sure of). As such I think it would be correct to change those links that refer to the 2000-Present team to Renault F1 and leave those that refer to the period up to 1997 as Renault Sport. Any thoughts? Mark 23:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Like I say though, I'm not sure about the situation before Renault's return, so I think I'll be conservative with the redirects until that's confirmed. Mark 23:23, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism on my talk page
Thanks for reverting. That was the second time today. --Lee Hunter 16:27, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Aughavey 17:38, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

!!!!
Nonsense!?!?



→Raul654 03:04, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

(PS - just a joke :)

Request for more Bently badge pictures
I have a dog named Bently and I have been looking everywhere for a really nice straight on shot of the flying B (the flat one). I saw your pics here, can you take more?

Thanks!! Ravedave 08:00, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Elizabeth II renaming (round XXXIV)
You may have noticed *mega sigh* that yet another user has dragged up the lets rename Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom farce, only 9 days after the last vote ended. (What next? A vote every day on the issue next?) I have proposed instead this vote on Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom page:

That Wikipedia stop wasting time on endless revoting on this goddamned issue and ban votes on this issue from this page for at least six months.

Hopefully this will put this nonsense to bed for at least 6 months. Your (hopefully final) vote would be welcome. Fear ÉIREANN \(caint) 21:06, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

F1 pics
Just a quick note to say thank you for the excellent resources you have provided in the shape of your pictures from Indianapolis. Mark83 15:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Photographer's barnstar
Hi Dan,

Thanks to the comment above by Mark83, I've just noticed all the F1 pictures that you've added to your gallery. It is certainly excellent to have so many pictures from the pit lane and portraits of the drivers and crews even if the Indianapolis race itself was so rubbish. So for these, and your Featured Pictures I award you this photographer's barnstar.. -- Solipsist 16:26, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Introduction 2
Did you mean to permanently protect this page? Normally it has been unprotected even thought it is sometimes subject to vandalism - I think it is important that the first pages are editable - since that shows very plainly the trust wikipedia has in its community. Trödel| talk 01:41, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Trying to centralise things
at Infobox standardisation. ed g2s •  talk  01:04, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Waldorf-Astoria
Begging your pardon, but why did you write "no, it's a double hyphen" while replacing my equal sign (a perfectly good approximation) with a single hyphen (which is entirely incorrect)? I'm a bit confused. &mdash; Dan | Talk 00:05, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * While double hyphen and equality sign look similar, they have a very different semantics. The first is a variant of the single hyphen, and is a punctuation mark, the second is a mathematical symbol, and indicates equality. So, it's not correct to replace one with the other. Similarly, it would be incorrect to replace a with Cyrillic а (azъ), or o with Greek ο (omicron), even if they look the same. -- Naive cynic 00:26, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * But why did you replace it with a single hyphen and not a double one? What's the HTML entity for a double hyphen? &mdash; Dan | Talk 01:36, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * It's &amp;#11799;, I'll add it to the article. -- Naive cynic 17:07, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Merge of Sexual characteristics
Hi. You have commented on the talk page for Sexual characteristics that you feel the article should be merged with sex. I respectfully ask that you re-consider. Ignoring how often the term is used in connection to primary and secondary characteristics, it is widely used on its own. Also, keep in mind that User:AlexR has been using the sex-related articles to push a POV that involves the concept of heteronormativity, and the merge with sex that he suggested appears to be a bid to justify any mention of sexual characteristics pointing a user to that article. His primary concerns to date with my edits to Sexaual characteristics (which I expanded from a stub he created) have been the non-human-centric view and the removal of the heteronormativity link. Sadly, I'm a proponent of the theory of heteronormativity, but I'm trying to be NPOV here.

Would you please, re-read what I wrote (the edit that was reverted, and which lives at User:Harmil/Sexual characteristics), and see if you think that that version deserves to be summarily redirected to a footnote in a general article about which hundreds, if not thousands of books have been written. Thanks -Harmil 17:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

test
testing a bug, logged in as another user... SockpuppetOfRdsmith 18:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Test test etst -- JeLuF 18:10, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Seeing if I can get it to save without errors ... SockpuppetOfRdsmith 18:15, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Belated birthday
--User:Jenmoa 00:21, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Chicago meetup
''From mid-September onward, I'll be living in Chicago, and depending on my schedule, I'm certainly interested in a meetup. &mdash; Dan | Talk 18:40, 19 August 2005 (UTC)''
 * Bring some of that root beer with you. :) Kelly Martin 19:25, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

blocking of willy socks
OK, thanks for the information, I should have checked Ipblocklist first. -- Curps 01:03, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

pwnd!
Thanks for the temp ban of Mellow4 for vandalizing the Pwn page. I was getting tired of manually reverting. :) Colin M. 01:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Nogomatch suggestions
While you're editing MediaWiki:Nogomatch, could you have a look at my suggestion? Thanks, Bovlb 06:16:15, 2005-08-25 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Searchquery
Hi! Could you fix once more the above message? As I noted on the talk page, wiki links won't work (try searching for anything not in Wikipedia). Of course, in case it's bound to be corrected, leave it as it is and never mind. :) --Jūzeris | Talk 17:36, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, never mind. :) --Jūzeris | Talk 17:38, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Good pruning on MediaWiki:Newarticletext...
After I first read your smaller version, I was very upset, thinking you had removed any link to CSD. Upon re-reading, I noticed that it was still there. So, instead of critizing your work, I'm writing to thank you for pruning the text down. JesseW 18:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Adamwankenobi
Predictably, he's back, as. &mdash;Cryptic (talk) 18:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Explain Yourself
I followed XD conventions. Explain yourself! Gibadabmoob 22:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

How is vandalism using Wikipedia? Vanadalism would be things like removing perfectly educational photographs, or taking away XD messages before the community has spoken. Explain yourself! Gibadabmoob 22:58, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Weeeee
Sooo? Whacha mean i'll be blocked from posting cause like dude i could use a proxy or just go renew my ip address so whats the point man? (left by 68.54.78.49)


 * Dude!?! so if i do something constructive i can make money off you right like if i probe Wikipedia for like flaws in stuff that would pwn this site i would be an Uber leet hacker huh?

Sooo man wtf are you a damn bot? So anyway man your going to block my ip ehhhhh???? sounds hot i got nothing better to do hey by the way wanna share your list of banned ips? like you know sharing means caring you can email me the log if you want ;D


 * Fuck yeah man finally i have found a place that cares dude i run 4 sites and im linking you guys your the new place im hanging out at when im bored dude you guys fucking rock!!!!!!! ban me up scotty!!!!!! lets get the show on the road.... i gotta give you something to do other then watch porno so you ban me i'll go hunt for a proxy and come back and edit some topics and play with you guys for a few hours.


 * What a N00b. Zoe 07:10, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Urg this guy is damn annoying man. Jobe  6  07:23, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hopefully Jobe  6  07:29, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

consecutive parantheticals
At this link, you say:


 * two consecutive parantheticals is quite awkward, and this one is easily avoidable

AFAIK, a nickname ought to be placed in parantheticals, i.e. Jimbo is placed after Jimmy Donal Wales this way Jimmy Donal Wales (also known as Jimbo). It makes it easy-to-understand.

Please reply in your User_Talk page.

Sincerely,

Colin


 * Well, there's certainly no standard, since many articles place nicknames in quotation marks and some place them in commas (i.e. "Joseph Q. MacDuff, commonly known as Jo-Jo, ..."). In general, paranthetical statements are to be avoided in writing, and two in a row is particularly bad form, so I see no particular reason not to place the nickname in quotation marks. &mdash; Dan | Talk 14:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Re:Notanerd
Never heard of the guy but ill ask him why he did it. Thanks. Jobe 6  18:14, August 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Do i have the right to remove the copied content from his page?

User:§.
I think User:§. is an impostor of User:§. --68.251.209.247 18:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Autoblock on AOL IP
Can you please remove the autoblock on the AOL IP User:205.188.117.68 - as I belive the vandal has moved on.

Thx in adv - 205.188.116.10 01:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hm. I noticed this message on CDVF, so I went to Special:Ipblocklist and searched for 205.188.116.10. It turned up an autoblock on Agricluture's IP address. So, is this a privacy violation/security hole? Hmmm. FreplySpang (talk) 01:56, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Hurricane Katrina
Thanks. I messed up and reverted to the vandalized version. --Tito xd 05:52, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

FYI
I did not simply put back the text (of mine, not the other person's) you took out, I removed the example to shorten and change it, so it's not a revert, but a compromise. DyslexicEditor 19:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

TOC
Hi Rd, just as a matter of interest (because it's not a huge deal to me), did you unprotect Daniel Pipes and then remove the TOCright? If you did, is there a reason for not wanting it to be like that? I've noticed you've removed a couple today, but I'm not familiar with whether they're regarded as a bad thing. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 23:13, September 1, 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, Dan. I suppose I wonder why it matters that the standard appearance is changed. Here's where I like to use TOC right (though not always; it depends on the length of the intro and second section): sometimes it's impossible to find a useable image for the right-hand top of the page where the subject is looking at the camera or toward the text. It's a fairly standard rule in publishing that faces should look toward the text or straight ahead, but never away from the text, because it's known that readers' eyes are drawn in the direction faces are pointing. If you can only find a pic with the face looking to the right (as you look at it, or to the left from the subject's point of view), then that image has to go on the left or it looks odd. With the image on the left, the top left side of the page becomes too heavy looking with the TOC on the left too. On those occasions, TOCright is very useful; as on Ludwig Wittgenstein, for example, which is an example of a photograph that looked really strange on the right side as it meant he was looking right off the page. I don't know whether these are exceptions you'd be prepared to give some consideration to. SlimVirgin (talk)  23:30, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Wha?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shirt&curid=264117&diff=22446352&oldid=22428654 R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 03:44, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

User talk:69.136.120.87
Just rv-ed another edit from this IP. Psy guy (talk) 04:27, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Article Deleted?
Greetings. I had my article deleted (Antoshi) for "nonsense"? What's that about? I worked seriously on that article for days, and I think it's far from nonsense. Please reply back. Thank you.

Congratulations in advance
Congratulations in advance on becoming a bureaucrat. Is bureaucratship even a word? I didn't feel that your RFA was the place for making specific examples, but the case I was referring to was this one. &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Please block Kanye West vandal
Thanks for using rollback on this page. I ask that you give a temporary block to 24.33.151.62 (talk • contribs • block). They have vandalised the page over 10 times in the last 20 minutes. Thanks. Harro5 00:20, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Harro5 00:23, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

restoring page history
Hi Dan,

I'm trying to restore one of the botched page-move reverts from the round of vandalism fifteen minutes ago, but I can't seem to get the history back. What am I doing wrong? It's Arkwright, New York. I deleted and undeleted, but it's not working. Thanks! Antandrus (talk) 03:07, 4 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah, never mind, it worked the second time. I have no idea why the first time didn't...  Cheers, Antandrus  (talk) 03:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Government terrorism
The same anon has recreated the article in Talk:Government terrorism. android 79  03:38, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
Hi, Rdsmith4. Thank you so much for your support and kind words on my bureaucratship nomination, and congratulations in advance on your own! Unfortunately, mine didn't pass, but I intend to run again soon. If you'd like to be informed next time around, please let me know on my talk page. Thanks again! Andre ( talk ) 05:06, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Fomrula 1 race pages
I am a little confused, and you seem to know something about Formula 1 in Wikipedia. Why is Portal:Formula One/Next Grand Prix not at 2005 Italian Grand Prix? --Commander Keane 05:14, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it is useful to have the map and date info at 2005 Italian Grand Prix before the race. I might bring it up at the Project talk some time. --Commander Keane 05:28, September 4, 2005 (UTC)