User talk:Rea890567

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Aris Allen Swing Dance Shoes
A tag has been placed on Aris Allen Swing Dance Shoes, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of Aris Allen Swing Dance Shoes and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. De728631 (talk) 16:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Copying from talk page of deleted article
This page is not an advertisement! I am a swing dancer and so I know first hand the global importance of these dance shoes. These shoes are worn by dancers around the world – both armature and pro. They are the only dance shoes that are truly made for swing dancers. They have the extra support necessary for ariels and the high impact associated with this dance form. This article's purpose is to highlight an important piece of swing dance culture. These shoes are beloved by many and should be included in wikipedia because of their importance to a cultural sub group. Lindy hoppers (swing dancers) around the world enjoy these shoes. They are notable and important to a subgroup that contains thousands of individuals world wide. This article is necessary to expand the information on modern swing dancing. I attempted to prove my neutral point of view by refraining from overtly praising the shoes or suggesting that they were the only shoes to swing dance in. If you could tell me how my article strays from fact and into the realm of advertisement I would much appreciate it and will speedily make any and all changes necessary to preserve an article related to a growing sub-culture. Rea890567 (talk) 18:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You have not really established Notability for the product. See products and Services for more information.  ttonyb1 (talk) 18:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

“Notable means "worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice." (Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)) “One might argue that notability is already giving if one person takes the time to collect details and references to events and starts writing an article at Wikipedia about it.” (User talk:Dank55) “If Wikipedia is about all human knowledge, then the simple fact that something is or was is enough to be notable. There you have to separate only between two types of articles, 1. referrenced to allow an outsider to verify it and 2. not referrenced and not verifiable = speculation / theory. (User talk:Dank55)

Aris Allen Dance shoes are notable. In the article, it mentions that they have been in magazines and TV shows. Swing dancing is linked in this article and this is the sub-culture the dance shoes are notable to. Not all things are equally notable to all people. Swing dancing is a global phenomenon with local scenes all over the country. On almost every weekend swing exchanges occur somewhere in the world. At these exchanges, dancers from around the world get together to dance. Every July, hundreds of people attend a month long dance camp in Herrage, Sweden. Just take a moment to google swing dance, and you will realize that there are a large number of people to whom this article is relevant and notable. Like many sub cultures, swing dancers are hard to quantify. There isn't a swing dance registry, and while I know that swing greats who already have their own Wikipedia pages wear these dance shoes and that up and coming dancers who no doubt someday will wear these shoes, I hesitate to name names. This article is about dance shoes, not a particular person or swing dancing in general. Just because a person wears a product doesn't mean they want to specifically have their name attached to it. Can we leave it up for a while and I'll try to get some numbers or names to help prove the significance I know is there? Rea890567 (talk) 19:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You may be missing the point, there is nothing in the article to validate the Notability of the product as defined by Wikipedia.


 * To support Notability the statements need to be supported by independent, third-party sources that refer directly to the "fact" presented. I suggest you copy the article into a User:sandbox, edit it and add verifiable, third-party references, and when complete upload it to Wikipedia. Good luck...ttonyb1 (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)