User talk:Readro/Archive 2

Agassiz
The image says it has a copyright, in the lower left corner, so I would prefer the one up for FP. Also, the one at FPC is over 1000 pixels, while this one was 850. You should ask Garion96 about the copyright, since he's an expert on that, and I'm not. :-) · AO Talk 10:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Importance ratings
Hi Readro. Just a quick comment on the importance rating that you have been assigning to some F1-related topics. I can't help feeling that you are over doing it a bit. The Top rating, according to the assessment page, is reserved for those articles that are extremely important, even crucial, to its specific field. As we are assessing through the WP Motorsport system, this field and frame of reference is all of motorsport, not just F1. You could quite easily have a long discussion on motorsport and never mention John Surtees for example, so he can't possibly qualify for Top billing. In fact you probably could do so without mentioning luminaries such as Ayrton Senna or Michael Scumacher, although these would be more notable. As far as I can see, Top should be reserved for those subjects on which even a disinterested passer by in the street would be able to comment on. Pyrope 20:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey. Both good points I grant you. But thinking in terms of encyclopedic priority (which is what the ratings are for, not simply about how famous a topic is) I would personally argue that no driver of rider, or indeed driver/rider, should qualify for Top rating. Think about it in terms of a conversation with somebody who has absolutely zero prior knowlege:


 * You: I've just read a fascinating article about Ayrton Senna.
 * Them: Who?
 * Y: He was an amazing Formula One driver, won the Championship loads of times, and was quite a colourful and controversial character.
 * T: What's Formula One?
 * Y: Its the top form of four-wheeled motorsport.


 * So you can't talk about Senna to an uninitiated person without referring to F1 or Motorsport, but you can certainly talk about motorsport without needing to refer to Senna. And in Surtees' case you need to talk about both F1 and MotoGP, both of which would have priority over the man himself. Once in a while a driver/rider will make headlines (Schumi, Senna, Rossi etc) and so will possibly qualify for Top rating as a newsworthy personality, but the vast majority of the meat puppets at the wheel/handlebar are "only notable within its particular field or subject and has achieved notability in a particular place or area", in that someone outside MotoGP probably wouldn't care about Loris Capirossi etc etc. That would make them Mid rated. People who have won championships would probably move up to High priority, as they are "extremely notable, but has not achieved international notability, or is only notable within a particular continent". I personally think that this is poorly worded, and the last word should read "context", which would make more sense. Hence, someone with international notability, but only as an F1 driver, would fit this field. After all, somone may be known internationally, and still be insignificant to the topic. If you argue that being known over a number of continents puts you in the Top/High priority brackets, then I'm afraid that almost every World Championship driver and rider, even those with only brief careers, will have to go in there, making a mockery of the rating system.


 * I still stand by my assessment that Top should be reserved for those articles that are crucial to the understanding of the broad "motorsport" topic, and for luminaries as mentioned above. I agree that there is a case for Surtees, but I just feel that his achievements (team owner, car designer and race promotor too, don't forget...) are too far in the past to be relevant to a discussion of motorsport as it currently is. This is the criteria that I would argue also excludes Moss and even the sainted Fangio from Top ratings, much as it pains a classic motorsport fan to type such heresey.


 * Blimey, that took longer to say than I had planned on. Sorry for cluttering your talk page! Pyrope 09:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:Agassiz statue Mwc00715.jpg
Hi Readro,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture Image:Agassiz statue Mwc00715.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2007-04-01.  howcheng  {chat} 16:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

WP Motorsport template
Hi, A few days ago over on the Motorsport talk page you suggested a revised template we should use. I then put in a consensus so people could say whether they like/dislike the template. Unfortunately, only three people have put there opinions. What should we do about it? Should we wait a few more days, or what? Sorry to bother you. Davnel03 15:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Readro, am I just being ignored or something. It's like the template is no longer a matter. I set up a consensus, three people have responded, yet you've done nothing to the template. I'm really getting annoyed. Davnel03 16:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What should we do now? Just wait?!! Davnel03 20:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've left a note on the talkpages of the people that were involved in the discussion. Hopefully we'll come to a consensus now. Thanks. Davnel03 16:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Aviation Newsletter delivery
The March 2007 issue of the Aviation WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 17:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Maserati 4CL and 4CLT
Hi Readro. I just uploaded the above page, and I was was wondering whether you would take a look please? I'm sure that there are details that I have missed and some that might be incorrect, and I'd appreciate your comments on the page as a whole. Also, I have had no luck in tracking down any free-use images, and I was hoping that you might have a few tucked away in your stash that you might be prepared to use? Anyway, if you have time that would be great. Thanks! Pyrope 11:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking a look. I picked up on the fact that you seem to be into the older end of our sport, so I thought you would be a good pair of eyes to take a look. You know how it gets when you have been spending four or five days collating data and putting an article together, can't see the flaws for the whirling letters in front of your eyes. I do get paid for this, right? :-) Pyrope 22:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The pic looks great, good work! Pyrope 12:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

European Championship
Thank you for the great work on the article about the European Championship! John Anderson 15:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox motorsport championship
Hello, Readro. I'm not sure that I agree with your addition of opt-out code for the "drivers" and "teams" fields in the above infobox. While it won't change the box's appearance per se, it may encourage editors to be a bit lazy in their research and leave that data out (and it is readily available data). This is key data, even for defunct championships, because it gives a good impression of how successful (or not) that series is/was. That's why I left them as mandatory fields when I created that template. Of course, if you have in mind a series for which this data is not available, then having the option makes total sense. In which case, I'll add some more info to the usage instructions on its talk page. It's not a big deal or anything; I just wanted to seek your thoughts about it. Regards, Adrian   M. H.  17:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, don't worry about reverting it or anything. I'd be surprised if we couldn't find, or work out, the necessary totals from somewhere, but if that info is really not available, then it's probably better to have no fields than "N/A", but I'll leave that to personal choice. Engines and chassis would still be relevant, because (as it does with other series) it will serve to indicate variety. For example, there might have been a number of identical customer chassis (like March or something) and a bunch of DFVs, or lost of variety. Let me know if I can help in any way. Thanks for the reply. Regards, Adrian   M. H.  17:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Readro. Good to hear about the source - good ones are like gold dust. I think that we might as well keep those fields optional, and I'll add some better instructions/examples to that all the motorsport templates. P.S. Did you know that the edit section links on your talk page seem to be out of sync? The link for this section revealed a blank edit window and I had to click the one above it. Very odd! Regards, Adrian   M. H.  16:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Pickup Truck Racing
Hey there, thanks for the help with the Pickup page! We have our first race this weekend, so I've asked some of the track photographers for some copyright free/copyright controlled driver photographs to replace the publicity shots currently on the page.

Violentbob 18:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for the input, I'd rather the page be 'right' and I can see where you are going. I wouldn't be concerned with the technical specs section; yes they are lifted (and modified) from the website but after a conversation with SHP Motorsport (the site's owners) earlier today they are happy for me to use content from the site, including the driver pictures. The website obvously does not have details of this as it was a conversation I had directly with them; how do you suggest I approach this with regards tagging the images? Can I just leave them with the current promotional copyright tag (which is correct) and add a line stating the source and image owner is SHP Motorsport?

Violentbob 21:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link re. images copyrights. I've emailed the owners of the images so with a bit of luck I'll get a reply soon, and I can forward this on to Wikipedia as directed

The page is looking good; a lot better than it did before :D

Mathematics CotW
Hey Readro, I am writing you to let you know that the Mathematics Collaboration of the week(soon to "of the month") is getting an overhaul of sorts and I would encourage you to participate in whatever way you can, i.e. nominate an article, contribute to an article, or sign up to be part of the project. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks--Cronholm144 00:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Davnel03/Neldav/Daviiid
Hmmm... Blatant old user, passing himself off as a newbie. However, I have a feeling that he is best warned that we know who he is and that we'll be keeping an eye on him, rather than a knee-jerk ban. Most of his recent edits have been of the tedious, stamp-collecting, procedural type, which is quite useful to have someone doing. The problem will come if he starts getting abusive again, or starts to try and throw his weight around. In particular, it would be worth watching out for when his inevitable, lazy, glory-seeking, thoughtless edits end up creating more work for others than he is acually doing. He is clearly a user with an overdeveloped sense of his own abilities and worth and will need to be watched. Perhaps some apology for his previous behaviour and an obvious appreciation of just how antisocial his edits were might go some way to avoiding a straight ban? Anyway, I'll leave the ball in your court. If you think a ban is the best way forward then you have my full support on the sockpuppet justification. Pyrope 19:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * F1, MotoGP and wrestling preferences... CHECK
 * Arsenal supporter. CHECK
 * Most recent edits along the lines of "JS: fixing MoS and other miscellaneous style problems..." CHECK
 * Lazy automated "peer review" contributions. CHECK
 * Laughable, self-justifying attempt to build a "newbie" persona on WP:F1 page. CHECK
 * Most au fait newbie in the world, ever (automated peer review, complex formatting, right up to speed with jargon) CHECK


 * Fair comments all. Like I said above, he got on my wick because of poor editing, I was never on the receiving end of his arrogant, abusive rants. The irritating thing is that he is 90% reasonable, and 10% arrogant pillock. Unfortunately that pillock component is pretty overowering some times. Like I said above, if you feel that banning is the way forward then I'll back your reasoning. Pyrope 20:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Readro, I'm not going to get into a hole that I can't get myself out of, so I might just as well admit that I am the same person as Davnel03 and Neldav. I admit, I do become a bit of an idiot some of the time, but, do I go around, blanking articles, annoying other users, creating up to 200 other accounts? No, I don't. With Davnel03, I found myself blocked because of several image problems, Neldav I got blocked because you reported me to Yamla. With my Neldav account, is there any bad contributions, and is there any bad contributions in my currentaccount? No. I've also noticed you've reported me again to Yamla. Seems like I'll get blocked again. Daviiid 20:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep it in mind that if you block my Daviiid, I will totally fuck up your shitty website with these other accounts that I have. Don't test me you fucking prats. Landev 06:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hope no one minds my contribution to this discussion but is there any need to start threatening other people? Not only that but surely calling someone's website "shitty" and calling both Readro and Pyrope "fucking prats" goes against WP:NPA, doesn't it? --Phill talk Edits 14:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As we all seem to be discussing here (sorry Readro!), just a note that both Daviiid and Landev have been blocked. Bearing in mind the number of pages that are on at least one of our watchlists, and the number of bots that can detect and revert a lot of blatant vandalism, I doubt he will be able to make good his threat to "totally fuck up [this] shitty website" and so if he's reading this, may I suggest you don't waste your time trying Davnel. AlexJ 16:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't mind if you use my talk page guys! It had to go somewhere I guess. Readro 17:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the first IP attacks have started...--Diniz 17:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, does look that way, doesn't it? Well, wait an see I suppose. Pyrope 11:08, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh F***, they have returned his editing privilages. Now we have to do this all over again. I can only assume that this Spartaz character is a personal friend, or an idiot. Pyrope 09:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Kelvin Carruthers
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Requests for comment/Spartaz
Hi. I lodged the above official complaint. For it to stand it needs that at least two people have tried to resolve this so far (to date that is me and you) and that both endorse the above page. Please could you sign below my name on this page (if you agree that is) and feel free to make any adjustment to the wording I laid out as you see fit. I know that this might seem heavy handed, but from what I can see it may be the only way of getting Davnel's block reinstated. Pyrope 19:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, well spotted! I've been writing a thesis for the last couple of months... sorta lost track of the months, and time, and whether it is day or night! Cheers. Pyrope 19:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Lorenzo Bandini Trophy
Hi Readro. It appears as though you were the one who added the Lorenzo Bandini succession boxes to the relevant articles. Do you know if there's a complete list of the winners online anywhere? Failing that, I have a couple of questions for you: Thanks. DH85868993 12:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Was the trophy awarded in 1993 and 1994? The Wikipedia sequence goes straight from Capelli in 1992 to Coulthard in 1995.
 * Did de Montezemolo really win in 1997? He hardly strikes me as a suitable candidate for "most promising young driver in F1" !

I found a list on the site for the award, here:

http://www.trofeobandini.it/Premiati/Premiati.htm

Indianapolis Motor Speedway images
Hi,

Thank you for your excellent work in fixing up the colour of the speedway images – they look wonderful now. All the best. Figaro 22:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

WATN references
Hi Readro. Good work on adding those WATN references to all those F1 driver articles. I notice that where necessary, you've been adding References sections containing:
 * to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Raymond Giggs 04:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Raymond Giggs 04:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Nominate for F1POM & F1DOM
YOU can nominate for the F1 picture of the month here and F1 driver of the month here. ' Chubb ' enna  itor  18:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Readro. I noticed the map of Mondello Park you created. Did you copy it from the track's website? If so, how? And could you create a map of Portland International Raceway? Fclass (talk) 16:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice, but you forgot to put it in the Portland International Raceway article. Fclass (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you please put the map of Portland International Raceway in the Portland International Raceway article? Pretty please? Fclass (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Fclass (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Readro/73SGP
Hi Readro. I just changed User:Readro/73SGP to use Infobox Grand Prix race report instead of Generic race report infobox. I hope that's OK. DH85868993 (talk) 09:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

FPC Delist Nom
Hi Readro, have put up an image originally nominated by you for delist at Featured picture candidates. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

WPF1
BetacommandBot (talk) 13:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

F1POM and F1DOM
You can vote for the Formula One Picture of the Month/Driver of the Month at User talk:Chubbennaitor/F1POM and User talk:Sage Callahan/F1DOM. We really need your votes as the last picture and driver was decided. ' Chubb ' enna  itor  07:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

2008 F1 season
Hi, I noticed you undid my edit on the F1 2008 page, with the links in the grand prix table going straight to the report section of the respective race. I think this is correct because the link says "Report", and it should be directed to the "report" section of the page. Cadan ap Tomos (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Max
Good spot, how can you tell the difference? I thought it was quite a good likeness; both are sad dictators clinging on to power long after they have out stayed there welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.86.208 (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)