User talk:Realist2/Archive 13

One thing
I see your building an MJ FAQ (nice idea), but "Finally, the article on Bob Dylan is 140kb and is considered one of the communities greatest pieces." is incorrect. I just recently went through the article and saw that it goes into very unnecessary detail (esp. the 2000s section) and still manages to be uncomprehensive (lacks sections like Musical Style, Influences, Legacy etc); I am considering FAR-ing it. Generally, it may not be a good idea to point to other articles for justification—apart from the fact that people may disagree with that article (as I am doing now)—since Wikipedia is always changing, the article you refer to may considerably change. Just quote relevant WikiPolicy that justifies the MJ article. indopug (talk) 11:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, jikes, cheers, ill take note. I was pointed to the Bob Dylan article myself my someone working on the elvis article. I took it at face value, saw the star and ashumed it was good. I should know better than that having just put the Supremes article up for FAR lol. --— Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 17:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The lead is quite large already, I'm not sure if it should be further expanded. But yeah, the fact that there is controversy involved isn't conveyed at all through that sentence. indopug (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah you'd need PhotoShop (or something similar) for that; sadly, I don't have a clue. I'm not sure blackening that green shirt will work though, it'll as though MJ is leaning forward for no apparent reason. indopug (talk) 23:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Like a Rolling Stone
Do you think it's ready for GA? Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 20:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yay! Thanks for your help! Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 17:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Michael Jackson filmography
Is now fixed. Needs work, however, i.e. a properly written lead. -- Rodhull andemu  20:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: MJ pic
Yeah, I can dig it. ;-) BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 22:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. The original picture was too long. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 22:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You can try but I wonder how it's gonna look according to Wikipedia but yeah you can try it, lol. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 22:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton
Sorry, Obama '08!!!:)

God Damn it! Hehe. --— Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 23:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well there always a chance she might become his vice president, after all she still hasn't made a decision on the matter. However I doubt after all these years being behind Bill she'll accept nearly the same role twice. Although it be great to have the supporters have Hillary Clinton on Obama's side and there's no doubt in my mind Clinton wouldn't be able to campaign successfully for Barack. K.H (talk) 03:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we can only hope. Hopefully Clinton realizes that so many of her supporters would love to see her with the title "President", even if there is a "vice" before it. :) Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 17:15, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please change my retire templates to wikibreak till June 27th,2008.That's when I grad the 7th grade. I've thought it over.There's no reason for me to leave. Xp54321 ( Hello!, Contribs ) 00:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

TMZ - Beatles
I wouldn't get too het up about it. If Snopes is not reliable, there is a ton of stuff about The Beatles out there, it just needs someone with access to the books to come along and sort it out. I'd do it myself, but I already have a ton of backlog. It should be a featured article, yes, but one of the problems with such a widely-read topic, everyone's got their viewpoint, and trying to keep it in check is nearly impossible. What I've done with similar articles in the past is to copy them to userspace, work on them there, then merge them back to mainspace. But as soon as the article gets FA, you can bet someone will come along and change it; that's life as we know it, Jim. There is an upcoming proposal for sort of "authorised versions" which is being trialled on the German WP and will soon start here; that will at least mean that readers don't get to see mangled versions. I'd chill a little. -- Rodhull andemu  00:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've just looked at snopes - they cite their sources so are a valid tertiary source, like ourselves, as long as they don't misinterpret. They are not a Wiki, so presumably have some quality control. You can always go to the originals, as we do here. If in doubt, WP:RS/N is the place to go. If FA reviewers don't like it, trace & cite the sources snopes use. That would solve all the problems. WP:V doesn't imply the sources must be online, merely that the facts are checkable, even if you have to fly from Cardiff to the US Library of Congress to check a book- that's good enough. -- Rodhull andemu  00:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the hurdles for FA are intentionally high since FAs are supposed to represent the very best that we have. I've recently had Criminal damage in English law passed as a GA, and that was draining enough; I asked the reviewer if he thought it could go for FA (since in my view, it's not far off) and he pointed me to his own FA candidates- and you know how picky it can get. If I had the time, OK, I'd go for it. But at present I have other stuff to do. -- Rodhull andemu  00:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't get stressed about it; there are few things that can't wait, and after my GAR, I'm not even thinking about tackling anoher major project at present. Too many vandals, still, although at present the worst pests all seem to be blocked, heh! -- Rodhull andemu  00:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I've advised that he should not be treading on other editors' toes as he appears to be doing, and that he is likely to be reverted. I made proposals for how the issues could be advanced, but he didn't seem to want to follow that. OK. I'll just unwatch The Beatles and let you all sort it out amongst yourselves. It's not you, but I have other plans and my patience is exhausted to the extent that I may well block him for disruption, for which I would rightly be criticised, if not de-sysopped. Tomorrow. -- Rodhull andemu  02:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

"Feedback"
hello there. I got your message. I went directly to the article and it seems not GA ready yet. The music and lyrics is somewhat short and the background section should state how the writing process went through. Any little information on this? --Efe (talk) 03:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. Before, I searched for interviews of Janet's Discipline but there were no information regarding this song. More internet scouring. =) --Efe (talk) 03:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck. --Efe (talk) 03:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit summary
No its not new addition. Check the diffs. Ultra! 04:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It's Britney Bitch!
lol. That was ammusing. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  05:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

MJ Vandal
This is a guy called User:Grawp who does vandal pagemoves from time to time. All the admins are aware of him. Just don't follow any of his links. -- Rodhull andemu  16:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers, in future I wont be so curious. Curiousity killed the cat Right? — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 16:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Whitney Houston sales
What are third part sources? How did I vandalise? I gave the official source of Bodyguard sales, Whitney's own site, and MSN Music site, a very reliable source for Whitney's debut album. How was that vandalsim? The old source didn't even state worldwide Boduguard sales, but the sales in the US, so I got a reliable source and many albums on that page have unreliable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5 octaves (talk • contribs) 01:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You said we can't use 1st part sources, but Barbra Steisand's source on list of best-selling albums is her OFFICIAL SITE. So why have you allowed it on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5 octaves (talk • contribs) 20:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Huggle
I'm about to be blocked.See my talkpage.Don't interfere please.I deserve this.:) Xp54321 ( Vandals Beware!!!, Contribs ) 01:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

NOT YET!!!:D.See ani.:) Xp54321 ( Vandals Beware!!!, Contribs ) 02:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

ANI notice


JUICY ONE!!ITS A WHOPPER!!!!:D Xp54321 ( Vandals Beware!!!, Contribs ) 02:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL!!!! --— Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 02:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC) YUP! Xp54321 ( Vandals Beware!!!, Contribs ) 02:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Janet Jackson
I apologize for my tagging of the Janet Jackson articles, I assumed when you said "our current goal is to tag articles and encourage members to join" and added tags to Michael Jackson's article that you meant to begin. I'll remove any tags that have information contrary to our final standing on the matter. K.H (talk) 03:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Michael Jackson/FAQ
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. -- Longhair\talk 04:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thriller 25
You asked me to take my issue to the talk page, well here I am. Why won't you let me edit Thriller 25, I was adding that the album reached number 2 on the US charts after your comments on reviews in the US, very to the point I thought...??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Takka (talk • contribs) 06:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I dont understand you message for me go to T25 talk page consensus..pls explain what you mean, or let me know why you keep deleting my edit, thanks, T.

sip sip
Those IPs would drive me crazy and stress me out. I have the perfect remedy. Here you go. :-)  APK  yada yada  09:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I feel better already looking at that, ive had a crazy day on wikipedia. I finished an article, nominated it for GA and started the Janet Jackson wikiproject lol. On top of that ive done my usual vandal fighting. — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 09:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

GA?
Do you think Like a Rolling Stone is ready for GA? It's been quiet around here for a while, nobody's doing much... Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 22:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nominated. Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 17:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Sony/ATV Music Publishing
Hi, there's no real reason for deleting at present. Since it's been edited quite a bit this year, I suggest you put a merge tag on it and see what response you get. WP:MERGE tells you how to tag it & set up a discussion. You normally allow a week then merge if nobody objects. Even if you WP:AFD'd it, it would still take five days. -- Rodhull andemu  18:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good articles newsletter
Delivered by the automated Giggabot (stop!) 02:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Janet Jackson picture
I just wanted to point out that the other Janet Jackson picture is in fact copyrighted. It's from her BET appearance. It's on Getty Images.

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It's part of this set:

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WOW! I've Never Given You...
A Barnstar before! Here you go! Enjoy.

Wow, cheers, i wasnt expecting this! — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 18:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikiprojects
Ha, that's nice. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 04:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Reporting some vandalism
Hello R2 Just noticed some vandalism and thought I'd report the user to you. Although her edits to Peace_Be_Upon_Him_(Islam) have been dutifully reverted by User:ClueBot, I thought you'd like to know of the event especially there's a block-warning from you on her talk page quite recently. Thanks Peace &#39;Abd el &#39;Azeez (talk) 07:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC) &#39;Abd el &#39;Azeez (talk) 04:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's excellent! Thanks for the quick turnaround on this, R2. Have a great day! Peace

Bad Things Soon
R2 look at this. They seem to suspect we're meatpuppets or sockpuppets or a "barnstar cabal". Any comment? I'm just confused.Communicate by email if you'd prefer. Xp54321 ( Hello!, Contribs ) 22:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My comment to Iridescent:
 * I doubt if there's anyone who knows Realist2 better than I; after initially falling out over his comments on Talk:The Beatles, we worked together to get A Hard Day's Night {film) to WP:GA status. In between all this, he was hideously abused himself and nearly left the project because of that. While I may not agree with everything he says and does, I doubt he has either the sophistication or the need to go sockpuppeting, and certainly User:Kodster he is not. To quote a famous decision in copyright law "the parties are advised to chill."

Realist2 isn't going to get a WP:RFCU to vindicate himself, because that's not the way we work. If there is evidence, please let's see it. -- Rodhull andemu  23:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish you'd asked me first. Would have saved a lot of drama. Just relax. -- Rodhull andemu  23:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * R2, you have mail! Xp54321 ( Hello!, Contribs ) 23:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This really is a bunch of crap, boll*cks, you name it. At least Rodhullandemu has some sense here. Let's remember, if/when this is over, it's gonna have lasting effects, especially on any future RFAs. Damn, this is just...I don't know, I'm at the edge of my rocker here,, to put it lightly. Me and Xp think that if more of this continues, we'll go to ANI and report him. Agree? Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 00:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a (hilarious)note:I don't think Iri is online at the moment.Boy does he have a surprise.LOL Xp54321 ( Hello!, Contribs ) 00:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Please calm down
Honestly. It's not worth getting angry and subsequently blocked for. Just take a break off-line and maybe come back in a half-hour or something. Let's the folks at ANI advise and see how things go ... - A l is o n  ❤ 23:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur. You and I both know it's bollocks. It's plain you spend enough time on projects you are keen on without bothering to pretend to be someone else, and I think this is a misinterpretation of enthusiasm rather than anything else. It's unfortunate, but nothing to get uptight about. My integrity is important to me, too, but it's constantly impugned by vandals & sockpuppets. However, I've seen it all before and don;t get upset by it. relax. -- Rodhull andemu  00:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am relaxed. Don't worry about me. I'm not sure about R2 though. This is the 2nd or 3rd time he's faced a situation that would make most editors leave. Stay tough Realist2!!! Xp54321 ( Hello!, Contribs ) 00:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll do the best that I can to stay relaxed (though I'm clearly not doing a good job). I'm not going to look at Iridescent's page anymore, so please, if anything happens concerning us, could you inform me? I'm going to go back to what we're supposed to do here in the first place: editing Wikipedia. Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 00:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And that's why we're here: to make sure that Master Iris is pleased. :) Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 00:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

"Nothing To Fear but Fear!!!"
Get the above heading into you!(not incivility, rather "motivation")R2 I'm telling you don't be afraid of editing! Nothing will happen to you and if anything wrong happens to you, you know other editors won't let it stand!Get back to editing!:)-- Xp54321 ( Hello!, Contribs ) 01:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes
What's the error with copying them? and sure, you can use em. It's kind of difficult to copy the code across here, so if you can explain what the error is i'll try and solve it; it'd probably be faster :). Ironholds 06:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's fine, the only one i made was the cardiacs music one (this user is Heaven Born and Ever Bright), and all the rest are listed on the userbox directory so i'm assuming they're ok to use. Ironho</b><b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 06:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

RfA
I just noticed the comment you left irediscent. Your never going to run an WP:RFA? -- RyRy5  ( talk ) 07:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Never, not in a million edits years. Wikipedia is a joke at best and frankly so is RfA. --— Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 07:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * A joke? You seems very ironic. --Efe (talk) 07:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no irony, the process of RfA is an embarrasement which I dont want to be involved in, thats all. — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 07:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Frankly also, I hate people saying WikiPedia is a joke. =) If RfA is an embarassment, its the people behind it (those who support and oppose) and not WikiPedia. --Efe (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I used to hate hearing it too. — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 07:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Mark Levin page
I went ahead and signed up for a new account, since my old one was deleted in its entirety. Multiple times now I have attempted to add non-POV mention of the fact that Mark Levin works with Hannity to set up the Freedom Concerts (a charity for the children of fallen soldiers) and uses his show to promote them.

The user who had an issue with me has deleted any attempt to add this fact, regardless of how I try and source it. He keeps claiming it's "advertising", and has even reverted an edit and sourcing from another user who agrees that the fact belongs. He won't take the issue to the talk page (like so many of his other edits).

I did lose my cool with you, and for that I apologize. I felt you should have realized the IP-address user was stalking me and making bad-faith reverts because he falsely assumed I was a sock-puppet, and lashed out when I thought you were talking his side.

Please take a look at this user's edits again. Aside from a single example, he has done nothing but revert my edits...many with no real justification. He's a stalker, pure and simple. Ynot4tony2 (talk) 17:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The IP user causing all the issues on the Mark Levin page is user:Eleemosynary trying to circumvent a permanent ban. Note the pages he is editing, the feuds he has immediately inserted himself into, the obsession with user:Keetowah, and the fact that user:Thatcher ran a WP:RFCU on this IP and confirmed it was indeed Eleemosynary.  At what point will administrators take action on this blatant circumvention of a permanent blocking (for trying to "out" two WP admins personal information and home address, if you weren't aware.)79.73.12.169 (talk) 09:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Now What?
First off, what just happened in the hours I was gone for school and sleep? Did Iri respond? Did you of kod take anything over to ani? Should any of us leave? -- Xp54321 ( Hello!, Contribs ) 21:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm at least staying until The Beatles gets to FA. That's my main goal. After that, it depends...the good news is, FA is a LONG process. :) I'm gonna let Iridescent do whatever he wants, it doesn't affect me directly. Best of luck, tell me if you go to ANI. Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 17:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Good article reassessment/Madonna (entertainer)/1
Hi, this discussion, which you were involved in, has been restarted. Please take another look and try and get this wrapped up sooner rather than later. :-) Cheers, giggy (O) 12:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

United World Chart & Feedback (song)
Sorry I took so long getting back to you, I've been a little busy of late. The UWC cannot be blacklisted as such as it's not the sort of thing that we'd put on WP:BADSITES, you may want to ask at the WikiProject Spam Talk page but they're more concerned with advertising. As for Feedback (song) I don't have the energy to look at it right now, may be able to do so next week but I can't promise. Cheers. -- Rodhull andemu  13:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

It was twenty years ago today
Hey, I started a discussion at the Sgt. Pepper's talk page regarding non-notable and trivial stuff we can remove from the article. Hopefully we can build a consensus; thanks indopug (talk) 13:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, you talk about Pepper and don't invite me? I think it's definitely a worthy project to work on; relatively short-term for a GA (compared to getting The Beatles to FA). Considering I'm Back in the U.S.A. (LOL, didn't even mean to do that) and I'm done with Like a Rolling Stone, you can count me in. :) Cheers, Kodster ( heLLo ) ( Me did that ) 18:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Source formats on Madonna
I'm done from ref no. 130 onwards. Any others left? Ultra! 14:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bling Bling
Thank you for the barnstar! DiverseMentality (Discuss it)  15:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Crystal Mares
I've nuked the article per WP:BLP as it contained unsourced material about a minor. Also, it was a bunch of hogwash from start to finish but I couldn't delete it for that reason. I've left her some advice. Thanks for letting me know. -- Rodhull andemu  21:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Michael Jackson
Howdy! I asploded an edit you made recently to Michael Jackson because the cited reference didn't back up the statement. On the off chance that I have induced a dramatic miscarriage of justice or that you have a ref that can bolster the sentence, I wanted to give you a heads up. BTW, the cast interview was a great read, thanks, but the closest I could find related to the 'he doesn't write on paper' bit was an off the cuff line about MJ memorizing a bunch of music someone else did before coming in to meet the producers. If I missed something more substantive in the linked article, feel free to zap me w/ a trout. Thanks! - C HAIRBOY (☎) 15:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I DEMAND A CHICKEN



 * Some IP added this to my talk page. I think it was in response to the now imfamous/famous "I DEMAND A CHECKUSER" section over at AN. I dont find it funny. — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 19:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Then take it out? Metros (talk) 19:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)