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Frank Corley
On this well-intentioned suggestion of yours: I shall be surprised if the Frank Corley article is deleted. And I suppose that some editor somewhere might take saving a disputed article to one's own sandbox as a concession of defeat. (Also, it may not be a good idea to keep in one's sandbox a draft for an article on a subject whose notability isn't already clear.)

The author of an article at AfD might be wise to save their draft to a text file on their hard drive. But advice to do so really isn't necessary, because it's easy to ask an admin (perhaps the one who deleted the article after an AfD) to restore the article to a sandbox. (Unless, of course, the article was a copyright violation, was potentially libelous, etc etc -- but this article isn't problematic in any of these ways.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:50, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I am glad to know that an admin can easily restore a deleted article. I am surprised, though, that you say that keeping a draft in one's sandbox when the subject's notability isn't already clear may not be a good idea. I thought that the sandbox was intended for drafting articles, and how is the subject's notability to be agreed by editors until after it has been submitted as a draft for approval? The writer of the article presumably believes that the subject is notable, and may even have attempted to establish that with information and references that they hope conform to Wikipedia guidelines about notability. But having seen proposed AfD about subjects which clearly meet Wikipedia's guidelines (eg presumed notability given certain facts or achievements) - I could not presume that a subject whose notability I think I've clearly established is also considered notable by reviewers and editors. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

If this article were deleted, you'd certainly have the right to continue editing it in your sandbox. Yes, you could edit it there if you preferred. Or anyone could, in their own sandbox. -- Hoary (talk) 12:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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November 2018
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed that you recently added commentary to an article, Midwest Herald. While Wikipedia welcomes editors' opinions on an article and how it could be changed, these comments are more appropriate for the article's accompanying talk page. If you post your comments there, other editors working on the same article will notice and respond to them, and your comments will not disrupt the flow of the article. However, keep in mind that even on the talk page of an article, you should limit your discussion to improving the article. Article talk pages are not the place to discuss opinions of the subject of articles, nor are such pages a forum. Thank you. TJRC (talk) 19:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The article was nominated for PROD. RebeccaGreen (talk) 20:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter. Don't post talk in the article, post it in the associated talk page. TJRC (talk) 01:32, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Teppo Hauta-aho
You removed the proposed deletion template on Teppo Hauta-aho and gave as a reason in your edit summary "The Open Music Library shows 23 articles about Teppo Hauta-Aho, so there are plenty of sources to draw on". I try to avoid using sources that force readers to register with a web site if they want to check a citation. Sources ought to be more easily accessible. Do you know of any other sources for this article?" Vmavanti (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2018 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 03:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Reply I have not looked. WP:SOURCEACCESS states "Some reliable sources may not be easily accessible. For example, an online source may require payment, and a print-only source may be available only in university libraries. Rare historical sources may even be available only in special museum collections and archives. Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access." Deletion cannot be uncontroversial when there are sources available in conformity with WP:GNG, and may well be other sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * How do I access the sources at Open Music Library? I created an account. But when I click on an article I'm taken to Proquest. Is that a paid site? Do I need an account there, too? It's good that you quoted the rules to me. But my main concern is the reader. Readers don't want to jump through hoops. The citations ought to be fairly accessible, otherwise there is no point in having them. Do you have much experience with the Open Music Library and ProQuest? Was your experience through a school or library or neither? How thoroughly have you looked at the articles in the list of sources to know whether they are reliable? I have to see more than a list of titles. I take proposing deletion seriously and I take the removal of the template seriously, as I'm sure you do, too. I have the readers in mind first. So I want to examine these articles one at a time to see how much usable content they have. Thanks for the reply and help.
 * Hi Vmavanti, I suggest you take the article to AfD if you want to discuss whether sources should be available online, and whether they are reliable and independent. There is also information in books available through Google books, and he's in Oxford Music Online, and other books about Finnish composers. My point is that this is not an uncontroversial PROD. RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:56, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

If you blocked the Teppo Hauta-aho deletion you are a hero. He's one of the most notable and important and prolific composers for the Double Bass. Thank you! TheMusicExperimental (talk) 14:22, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * TheMusicExperimental, thank you! I know very little about music, but I could see quite easily that there were many sources about him, and I think some editors place far too much reliance on whether sources are accessible online when they consider whether an article meets Wikipedia guidelines. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

the Simona Sharoni article whose deletion you just blocked
how do you plan to heal the self promotion, the lack of subject's notability, and the massive POV issue created by the fact that Sharoni wrote the first version of her own full article herself and has since been one of its most active editors?

The proposal wasn't by me, but given the complicated mechanics of the AfD process I appreciated it. Don't you think you owe us at least a shred of substantial argument about your veto? I have been asking on the talk page about notability for a month now, without any response whatsoever yet. Wefa (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Your vote
Please review the policy NOTNEWS and reconsider your vote here. Coverage in international news sources in today’s world is not unusual and is typical of a regular news cycle. You have a right to keep your vote as is; I am just offering more information to better understand notability in this situation. Thanks.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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An apology, and a request
Hey, sorry if I'm coming across as a bit gruff at the AFD. I don't mean to imply you are a "bad editor" or anything (that's what I was getting at with the "you're not at fault" bit); the problem is that AFD is often used to defend the kind of things Wikipedia used to be known for back in the mid-00s (articles that are rudimentary and frequently wrong, to paraphrase/quote -- I don't remember his exact words -- Paul Freedman), because when such pages come up there's inevitably a number of "Notable! Keep!" !votes, and it's a pain attempting to deal with them. But I don't know you, so I feel really uncomfortable with the idea that you might think I thought you were such an editor. So here I am.

Anyway: I would like to request that you refrain from making comments like this, since, similarly to how I don't know you, you don't know me well enough to say what some editors might read that comment to mean (that I auto-!vote "delete" in articles on topics I might believe to be notable but have no interest in improving myself). Generally it's not the responsibility of editors !voting on an AFD to sink however many hours it would take into attempting to improve an article before giving up and deciding it can't be helped, and saying "You haven't helped the article" just comes across as needlessly combative. The only reason I said that to you was because I was specifically asked to comment on whether I thought you had improved the article enough to merit changing my !vote, but I never asked you to change your !vote because of some edit I might have made to the article. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 07:48, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message, and your apology. I was not the one who asked you to comment on what I had done, and I did not ask you to change your vote, either. As I'm sure you gathered, I did not like the remark you made ("it's never a good sign ...."), but I should have walked away at that point. I have since decided not to take any further part in that AfD or any work on that article, and I will certainly attempt to refrain from making any such comments in future. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

re: PROD removal
I fully support WP:BITE and drafting, but that doesn't change my prodding logic. If the reviewing admin (or you) feel that something can be draftified instead of being deleted, be bold and move it. If you just remove the prod due to WP:BITE, that I feel is a bit of an abuse of BITE, since the next step is now a potential waste of community's time with a full AfD. PS. My first article on Wikipedia, ~15 year ago, was deleted, and that was made me stick around :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:54, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am fairly new myself, and I was not aware that I could move an article to a draft. I will look up how to do it. Is there a reason why it cannot be done now, without going to AfD? Or could it be moved to a draft if the creator of the article agreed? RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:00, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

How does a brand new user figure out AfD before doing anything else?
This is puzzling. valereee (talk) 19:21, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe a born deletionist? ;-) Seriously, though, I think there are big differences between what generalists and specialists see as notable. The recent earthquake deletions spring to mind, being based on the Wikiproject Earthquakes not documenting earthquakes that don't fit a set of criteria they have determined (and apply somewhat subjectively, to my mind), even though they are not policy - and then consider that "not documenting" actually means deleting a lot of articles that others consider meet WP:GNG. RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:32, 21 December 2018 (UTC)


 * lol it appears to be professional jealousy valereee (talk) 12:20, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Women in Red
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Lila Ammons
Thanks for adding some sources to this article. It's customary to give reasons when removing a PROD (even more so when it's been seconded). Could you state which WP:MUSICBIO criterion/criteria you think she meets, and how? The only possibility I see is #1, but there's almost nothing on her that's not very local, promotional, probably self-penned, or her commenting about her notable family members (i.e. not actually about her), even after the sources you've added. EddieHugh (talk) 22:28, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I usually leave a reason when removing a PROD, but in this case, realised that the 7 days had expired, so removed it immediately. You say the JazzPolice 2016 source is not reliable because the same text appeared on a TicketWeb listing. The event that listing was for was AFTER the JazzPolice piece, and JazzPolice had also reviewed her several years before. Promotional texts like ads and ticket sale websites often copy text from independent reviews. I think at the very least this should go to AfD - she may or may not meet WP:MUSICBIO, but she may meet WP:GNG. RebeccaGreen (talk) 22:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. From some of the JazzPolice wording, I'm not convinced that was genuinely independent coverage, despite there being an author's name on the piece... I used to use JazzPolice, but it's gone downhill & I don't see any info about itself online to investigate whether it counts as a WP:RS. Anyway, are you likely to add anything else to the article? I don't want to go down AfD unless I really believe there's not enough out there to warrant keeping it. EddieHugh (talk) 23:02, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have found a couple of other references, one from Musical America in 1987, about an opera she was in (some verification of that section), and one saying she teaches at West Bank School of Music in Minneapolis (additional bio info, not for notability). I could also add some quotes from reviews (eg La Hora del Blues "one of the most delicate melodical voices with an excellent coloful range"). RebeccaGreen (talk) 23:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, add what you have & that'll give me a better picture. I'm not sure how good a source La Hora del Blues is either, but it might be acceptable, without doing much for notability. Do you use proquest or similar as a search starting point? Your ability to find things seems more than standard search engine-based. EddieHugh (talk) 14:34, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi EddieHugh, sorry I didn't get to add any more until today. I have now done so, and will see what others think - You may well be right. I don't use Proquest - I do have access to various databases through the National Library of Australia (as I think you have seen), and I subscribe to the British Newspaper Archive and Newspapers.com. But I found most of the sources I added here through Google searches, using her name, the names of others she performed with or places she performed, and also using the word 'review' translated into languages like French, Spanish and German. Searching on a variety of combinations brings up different search results - and I also look further than just a few pages of results, something I sometimes see people saying in AfD nominations ("no results found in the first X number of google results"), as if that means there's nothing to be found. I wish I had access to print copies - online searches are great for sources that have been digitised or indexed, but so much is either not yet digitised, or if created digitally, has been removed or not saved when a website is upgraded .... Anyway, I have done the best I can on this article, I think, so will leave it to others to decide if she is in any way notable. RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:41, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's the sort of thing we shouldn't keep (tens/hundreds of millions of people would have an article if her coverage were enough), but yes, see what others think. Interesting on the sourcing: I don't use other languages, but do sometimes add other words to the name ('review', 'interview', titles of recordings or places, etc) too. If you haven't already, have a look at The Wikipedia Library Card Platform: you might not need any of it, but it could be useful to fill in some gaps in what you can access digitally. EddieHugh (talk) 13:01, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

AfD categorization
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How Disappointing
...that after all your wonderful HEY work, you couldn't save Articles for deletion/Rebecca Green ;)

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 * Oh, what a pity! That must have been listed before I started looking at AfDs, so I hadn't even seen it :'( My poor namesake, I wonder if she could have been saved? ;-) RebeccaGreen (talk) 23:38, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Even more disappointing, I have just found the article on Deletionpedia, and it really needed a HEY job! And I have easily found two lengthy sources just by googling - one published in 2016, one published four days after the AfD was closed :'( Maybe I'll try creating a new article sometime. Thanks for drawing it to my attention! RebeccaGreen (talk) 23:53, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

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Gerina Dunwich
It would be good to have your thoughts on Gerina Dunwich. Seems very borderline to me.--<strong style="color:#555555">Pontificalibus 09:56, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Great job, thanks for looking.--<strong style="color:#555555">Pontificalibus 12:43, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I was honoured that you asked. I was a bit surprised that it closed as Keep so quickly. I removed some unnecessary content from the article - it still needs editing, but is not a priority for me. Certainly it would be good to add the reference you found to her being a "world-renowned authority on felidomancy"! RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:54, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Castaneda/reiman
Nice work on that! Thank you.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Bondita Acharya
can be effectively weaponized to game the system is quite different from you're gaming the system. The former is mentioning a possibility that might stem from such closures; whilst the latter is a direct aspersion. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 16:29, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * I nominate RebeccaGreen to be Editor of the Week for their relentless and outstanding work in rescuing articles at risk of deletion at AfD. From October 2018, RebeccaGreen has turned AfD into an avalanche of struck deletes and closes saying "Keep, per WP:HEYMANN, thanks to RebeccaGreen". Not satisfied with merely finding sources, she resolves everything from quotes, references, content, typos & wiki-links for at-risk articles and, in so doing, presents us and our readers with a retained and improved result. Just a few examples of Articles she has rescued include: Carmen L. Browne (AfD), Elizabeth O. Hiller (AfD), Jacque Batt (AfD) and Mary R. Bassett (AfD). These are living examples that, while it might be hard to improve an at-risk article, it is highly rewarding. Her attitude is kind and welcoming, no matter which side of the debate you are on. She improves the whole discussion for all involved. A Linguist, family historian, dolls house collector, researcher and someone that has been aware of women's issues in Australia since the early 1970s.

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 * Kudos again for both the work mentioned here and everything else we can see above - plus, I'm confident, a bunch more that's gone unmentioned :) Nosebagbear (talk)

Elenora Albrecht Cawthon
I removed it out of the John C Cawthon article. It is one biography per page but banned editor Billy Hathorn has done similar things on at least 3 other occasions and I removed those also. Feel free to create a article on Elenora if you want. I have no opinion on her notability....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:57, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Evelyn Alcide
If you have a chance, could you look at the article on Evelyn Alcide? It could use some ref searching. I found a few but think there are likely more.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 12:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Amanda Hooton
Can you wikify and add the ref for that second award? TIA. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:46, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your work fixing up / rescuing the Charlotte Nasmyth article I added. You've restored my faith in Wp editing. Chaikney (talk) 12:21, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Any interest in reviewing pending changes?
You've got a good eye for sourcing, so thought it might be of use to you. Any interest? Read over Reviewing pending changes and let me know what you think! ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Article Kaushalendra Singh Move to Draft Space
You removed speedy Deletion Noticle from Kaushalendra Singh that you think Notable, so, improve article by adding some more news article. Article Currently Move to Draft Space. tuxr 15:06, 24 March 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxr (talk • contribs)

Warning
Please Don't Change to Article Space without improvement! The article Draft:Kaushalendra Singh need additional Citation for Verification. Add some More references or news article, then that will be acceptable. tuxr 17:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxr (talk • contribs)
 * You appear to be a new editor, with a total of 140 edits. Moving an article to draft space that several editors have worked on, and which is not new, just because you don't think it is good enough, is not an appropriate action. See WP:DRAFTIFY for what to do when moving an article to draft space, and particularly:
 * Requirements for page movers
 * To unilaterally move an article to draft space, you should:
 * notify the author (this is facilitated by the script User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js),
 * be accountable for your draftification decisions per the standard described at Wikipedia:Administrators#Accountability.
 * Other editors (including the author of the page) have a right to object to moving the page, and to have the matter discussed at WP:AfD. If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace and list at AfD."


 * I have objected to moving the page to draft space, so the appropriate action is to nominate the article for deletion at AfD, not to simply move it back to draft space. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * - And being the mayor of a city with over 1,000,000 population (which clearly has enough references to prove) is pretty much a guarantee that the AfD would be speedily closed as a keep. Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 00:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Sally Smart
FYI I came across the draft for Sally Smart and moved to article space. I went to notify AngusWOOF, as he had declined it. In looking at the edit history, I saw that it was you who added all the great citations. She clearly meets WP:Artist as she is in multiple museum collections, but you know that.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:41, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Yes, I was aware that she meets WP:Artist - I was trying to add more about her work (having a lot of quotes and trying to pull out the essence), so having it moved to mainspace has spurred me on to put in something about her later work, and tidy up the final paras of that section. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:10, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

April 2019
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Thank you
Hello, RebeccaGreen! I realise I am writing from an IP-number, but I would like to thank you for your contribution to the article of Therese Kamph. Perhaps the article of Helena Eldrup could also be of interest? It has been questioned by the same editor, but it does have sources and should be notable, but as an IP-number, I feel I have very little weight, so I thought there would be no harm in mentioning it for a proper user. Have a great day!--92.35.227.48 (talk) 10:38, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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Draft:Christiane Lemke
Any particular reason this is still in draftspace? I appreciate the article needs more work, but as it stands, I can't see why it would get deleted at AfD having done a quick news search, and for that reason it should probably be put into mainspace. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>, I have now moved it to mainspace. There was no real reason - perhaps I intended to source more references or otherwise improve it, or hoped that others who saw it at WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Drafts would do so, but as you say, that can happen in mainspace. Thanks again! Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Daniella van Graas
User:RebeccaGreen You commented but didn't vote on the AFD If you intend to vote, it should be in bold. Hope all is well. Cheers. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Sara Dowse and Support For Tom Barbalet and Noble Ape Re-enstatement
As you can probably tell, I know Sara Dowse. It is very impressive the work you did on her Wikipedia article against deletion threats. I am trying to back fill with a number of folk in the artificial life community who continue to have Wikipedia pages but may be subject to the same kind of deletion. Thanks again for your efforts finding the links. As I noted, I don't see these links being used by the deletion group. It seems completely independent of the actual work I have done and how this work has been recognized. Would you advise that I just appeal this to a different admin? Barbalet (talk) 20:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

The tone of things seem to have improved. Barbalet (talk) 21:24, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * RebeccaGreen Most of the articles you referenced are found here:

http://nobleape.com/int/ http://www.flipcode.com/interviews/nervana/

The articles here are competitive peer reviewed:

http://www.nobleape.com/sim/#Academic

This is the Apple referenced article:

http://nobleape.com/sim/shark_optimize.pdf

There are also independent audio interviews:

https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/31

https://web.archive.org/web/20051112214331/www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/thematerialworld_20030327.shtml http://www.longfunk.com/data/na_bbc4.mp3

https://shrinkrapradio.com/126-shrink-rap-radio-live-3-artificial-life-and-artificial-intelligence/

https://geekspeak.org/episodes/2018/11/06

I'm not sure if these are useful sources for your rewrite.

I'm interested in your thoughts on creating one combined article versus maintaining the two previous articles. Would it be that Tom Barbalet would point to Noble Ape? Anyway, all when you have time. Thanks once again. Barbalet (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

June events with WIR
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Edward Borrows and Sons
Hi, at the recent AfD you mentioned that The Golden Age of Steam Locomotive Building might have something on Borrows. I've been looking and I can't find anything in there (sadly there's no index, which is inexcusable these days but annoyingly common). Do you have any hint as to where it might be? Thanks Andy Dingley (talk) 11:49, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for looking. Unfortunately, I don't - there is no preview on Google Books, so although it came up when I searched for Edward Borrows and Sons, I couldn't see any text or page number, etc. The article looks much more substantial and better sourced now, so unless you happen to come across anything, I wouldn't worry too much. (Unindexed books are very frustrating, especially when they are not available digitally at all!) RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you know what you might have been searching for?
 * It's not a brilliant book - it's a recent publication by the NRM, so as is typical it's well illustrated with photographs from their archive, but the content is thin and the errors start from the very first sentence!  I'd forgotten I had a copy as I haven't read it yet, I just happened to pick it up in a closing-down sale. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:38, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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Etta Benjamin
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Are your edits to Etta Benjamin as follows: red=deletion; green - remains/not deleted? Tiatiabobia (talk) 06:30, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, Wikipedia shows edits as red for deletions and green for additions, on mobile phones. On laptops and pcs, deletions are highlighted in buff and additions in pale blue. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, we've been in various AfD's together (usually on opposite sides!), but I highly respect your diligent work, especially your talent for finding sources. I was wondering if you would be willing to look for sources on Brit Simon Stewart (musician). There is only one in the article and other then where one can buy his CD, I can't find any other sources independent of the subject. I'm thinking about nominating this article for deletion, but want to make sure it truly merits deletion first. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. Sincerely, Newshunter12 (talk) 10:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Newshunter12, thank you very much for the compliments! I have been able to find very little about this musician so far. I have found that someone called Simon Stewart released an album, Daytime, on Hudson Music in 2008, and it seems other albums too  - but I'm not even sure that's the same person. If it is the same person, then he might meet WP:MUSICBIO #5, if the labels he recorded on were considered some "of the more important indie labels" (the one mentioned in the article, Longman Records, doesn't (yet) have a WP article, and neither does the label that the 2008 album was released on, Hudson Records). So that's a lot of ifs, and no reviews that I have found so far. Given that the article has been tagged since 2010, I think taking it to AfD s quite reasonable! If I find do anything else, I can add it to the article and mention it in the AfD ;-) Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your research and help. With your guidance in mind, I have nominated the article for deletion here: Articles for deletion/Simon Stewart (musician). Thanks again :) Newshunter12 (talk) 18:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hi RebeccaGreen, I just wanted to let you know that I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&page=User%3ARebeccaGreen added] the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! &oelig; &trade; 04:18, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ARebeccaGreen granted] the "rollbacker" permission to your account. After a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Administrators' guide/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, contact me and I will remove it. Good luck and thanks. &oelig; &trade; 04:18, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, &oelig; ! This is a great honour, and a surprise, as I had read that the Autopatrolled right was usually granted after creation of 25 articles, and I have only created 7 from scratch so far (plus I'm not sure how many improved from rejected drafts). I will read up on Rollback and how to use it (and not use it). Many thanks again, RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Only after 25 articles?? Hmm.. oh well ;) -- &oelig; &trade; 03:11, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to say that I'd count any brushed-up draft improved to the point that it's accepted as equivalent to writing a full article for the purpose of demonstrating that warrant autopatrolling. I've seen several of them and they are major improvements. Nosebagbear (talk) 20:21, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your commentary and assistance re: Waekerlé AfD. I will continue to pursue those lines of thought, having another voice in there is very helpful for me as I continue to verify more sources. TheMusicExperimental (talk) 14:20, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. As I said above, I know little about music, but I dislike seeing editors voting to delete when they haven't considered all sources and notability guidelines. Sometimes one particular guideline fits well, other times (it seems to me, and I've seen other editors do the same), a bit of mix and match works best. WP:CREATIVE is not specifically for musicians, although of course they are creative professionals, and WP:MUSICBIO #1 is similar though doesn't specifically mention reviews. Good luck finding sources about her, or that show clearly that she meets other criteria of WP:MUSICBIO, etc. I will come back to !vote. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, ! I looked up that user's talk page, and decided there was no point in getting into discussion of their intentions or mine, so just reiterated what WP:V says about access. On that point - thank you also for looking up one of the references in Shireen Ahmed - I agree that that source, which just cites Ahmed, does not add anything re notability. I see that that AfD has closed as No Consensus. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:19, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Pamela Nadell
You are invited to join the discussion at Template:Did you know nominations/Pamela Nadell. As you had made some edits to this article, which had been nominated for DYK by another editor, your input is appreciated. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:25, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for May Hollinworth
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 25 July 2019 (UTC)