User talk:Recordfreenow

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Recordfreenow! I have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on or by typing helpme at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Oh yeah, I almost forgot, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on, or place helpme on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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Thank you Otolemur crassicaudatus. It is good to know someone in this digital jungle who can help me when needed. Appreciate the cookies :) Recordfreenow (talk) 06:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome to RECORDFREENOW...

December 2007
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors.  nancy   (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I read your caution on my Edit War and appreciate it. Thanks.

However, the current biography of Narendra Modi is totally mis-representing a large understanding of the person accompanied with facts. I am trying to quote the facts but am continuously getting blocked out. The past discussions have not resulted in any benefits.

Hoping to learn.

Recordfreenow


 * Hi there, I was going to suggest to you that you should open a discussion on the Narendra Modi article's talk page but I see that you have just done that very thing. Articles about living people have to be edited with extreme caution so as to avoid defamation, there is an official policy about it called Biographies of living persons which it might be useful for you to read - the bottom line however is that any poorly sourced, unverifiable or controversial material will be removed immediately. Good luck with your editing, kind regards,  nancy   (talk) 18:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I will read through the policy and enforce accordingly. Meanwhile, I will also edit the BLP to remove any uncited comments. Recordfreenow (talk) 04:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)Recordfreenow

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orissa violence
it is on discussion. see the talk page. Lihaas (talk) 20:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Its pretty much dissected actually. See a copy of the link and then read the comments side by side. You can match it up easily there. Shows why and which are not good. Lihaas (talk) 20:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In this edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orissa_communal_violence&diff=236410234&oldid=236404691), I think your arguing with a bot or an admin. not too sure, but the people deleting images probably are one of 'em. Lihaas (talk) 04:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, i never went through this large scale edit in too much detail (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orissa_communal_violence&diff=236419072&oldid=236410234) but it wasn't on talk. Did you check it up? (good to have two regular, reliable editors who can work together ;))Lihaas (talk) 04:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with your edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orissa_communal_violence&diff=236700915&oldid=236687803) but where the addition needed citation we should leave it as a tag for awhile in case someone finds it. If not, and if its empty for awhile, then we can remove. generally the editor is given some benefit of the doubt. (i personally don't mind either way, i just copy edited it that way) Lihaas (talk) 03:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Dude, do you think we should get the page locked for a week so people can discuss the edits first? You, me, and everyone Lihaas (talk) 07:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, i think i overwrote your edit clean up with mine. but it should be the same anyhow Lihaas (talk) 18:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ill just get to it
 * BUt see this edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orissa_communal_violence&diff=237870486&oldid=237867691). do you suspect who the IP could be? Lihaas (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ya, ya, totally.
 * also can you check out ref 41? its not interrupting the ref section, but the info doesn't read out
 * ps- your a desi too right? Lihaas (talk) 18:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Should we not be more honest about ground-truths? Surely, the Page should not be another leaflet? This is all very sad.

Jobxavier (talk) 18:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Tell me which edits? Discuss. Discuss. I do not desire to just have edit war. I have a job and life and I assume so do you :) Recordfreenow (talk) 18:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Did you say this is your job.....?

The issue is about Dalit-dom. The priests and the missionaries are all about money; but the killers and the killed might be more benefited if their Dalit-hood is confirmed by law.

What is Dalit-hood? How does it compare and exist in Christianity? How have the 'forward' Christians been manipulating things?

The Sonia factor is behind the puffed up valour of the Mallu priests. That she is as communal as the next person is evident; but minus the philosophy/other-worldly background of an Indian.

I suggest your cutting down on the sob-stories; and providing more of the real background. The WHY of the issue is pertinent.

Jobxavier (talk) 19:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Should we start dissecting the article piece-by-piece? Lihaas (talk) 17:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I am adding you to the new mediation cabal entry for Orissa Communal Violence: I'm sure you'll be interested Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2008-09-18_Orissa_religious_violence —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vvarkey (talk • contribs) 20:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, please leave me out of this. I opened the mediation case so that all of you could calm down and work out your differences in a civilized manner.  I am not commenting on the case, I am not involved with the case.  Thanks. Prince of Canadat 07:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Recordfee, thanks for taking the time to comment on the case - i hope a mediator picks it up soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vvarkey (talk • contribs) 11:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, buddy. I took a break from tha article. ain't been there in awhile. but if you're under fire, give me a call. (it's still on my watchlist though)
 * maybe try another article for a bit. the india poltiics pages can use help. and controvery doesnt arise.
 * if you're from the orissa area, maybe you can help osmanistan Lihaas (talk) 21:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:Girl sufferedwithburnwounds.jpg
I will try to provide third opinion in the article Orissa communal violence. But an important note that it will be good if you clarify in the of Image:Girl sufferedwithburnwounds.jpg that the girl is Christian. Also the image description page says author is All India Christian council. Is the photo posted in AICC website? Or is it taken by AICC member without posting it in the AICC website?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 06:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The source of the image verifies the identity. Whether she is a christian can also be varified by a third party resource. See Reuters enclosure of images. [Reuters story in pictures]. It verifies the community background. I have not taken the image from Reuters as hat would be copyright violation. Rather it is from a release by AICC. Thanks for discussion. Someone has put it in for speedy deletion. Yes it is available on the AICC website for usage. See [AICC page] Please advise. Recordfreenow (talk) 07:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Also, I can directly get it from AICC as well. If needed. Please advise.
 * I have asked advice of administrators. The best way is to ask in commons if the license is ok or not. I will advise you to be clear about the license by asking here.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 13:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well done. One thing I will tell you to mention in the image description page here that 1) the girl is Christian and 2) the attack was carried out by Hindu nationalists. I am telling this so that pro-Hindutva POV pushers cannot challenge the validity of the image in future.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 10:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thnx for thnx on the above, mine was one of those simple looking corrections that balloons into re-write etc. What I wondered, not being too familiar with the subject, is how good the sources are, beyond obvious ones like ToI & Hindu. Some of the 'police sources' stuff did seem a bit, well, speculative.--Bsnowball (talk) 12:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Mediation
I'm the mediator for your case. I'm concerned with the fact you seem to be attacking Xavier. Take this as a warning. &mdash; Sunday   [+-+-]  00:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Orissa religious violence
Since you are an active editor in this article, you are right adding your name in Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-09-18 Orissa religious violence. Discussions sometimes get heated. I do understand dealing with continuous POV pushing is sometimes quite annoying. But I will advice you to stay cool. In any case of incivility from your opponents will go against them, but if you don't stay cool, it may turn against you even if you are innocent regarding POV issue. The article has some unreferenced claims which should be sourced and the NPOV should be resolved through the case opened. I agree the article has severe POV problem; for example I smell POV pushing in this edit where the attribution for Human Rights Watch was changed from US-based international NGO to US-based outfit. I believe "international NGO" is appropriate attribution for HRW rather than "outfit". If the issue is not resolved through mediation, you can request a comment for this article.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit to Orissa
I am not declining your request to make the edit. I am declining my making of the said edit. A request for comment is way too far here. I suggest you use the template, to get a second opinion from another admin. Please try this before you take the rather extreme step of a RfC. &mdash; Anonymous Dissident  Talk 11:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

There is a question of garnering donations from America and Europe with sob stories of anti-Christian violence, involved in the large number of articles being posted on anti-Christian violence in India, with seperate articles for each every incident for whatever reason on anyone bearing a seemingly Christian name. This is good for India also because it brings in foreign direct investment. I have therefore, decided not to induce any more NPOV in this and similar articles because they are only belly-filling articles; and as such deserve sympathy. Jobxavier (talk) 09:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:AC
You can try WP:AC if the RfC does not solve. You alone can open a case, but I believe AC is too much in the current situation. You can use in the talk page of the article to get opinion of another admin as Anonymous Dissident suggested above and I believe it is the best option.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 06:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Your graphic nun rape description
"On the same day in Kanjemandi a Hindu mob found a a Catholic priest, Father Thomas Chellantharayil and a nun hiding in a house from the mob. The mob attempted to force the priest to participate as they raped the nun [44]; at his refusal, he was assaulted and covered in kerosene. The nun said she was dragged by the hair by men from a Hindu household where she was hiding. “...Two men were holding my hand, one raped me,” she told CNN-IBN from an ‘undisclosed location.’ She demanded justice not only for herself “but for the sake of the people I was working with.” The nun appealed to the State government to ensure protection to the people of Kandhamal and said the situation had been bad for far too long"

You are okay with the above that you have put in? [laughs] Jobxavier (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I did not make that edit. I do believe that the above edit maybe a little too illustrative and as such reduced. However, I do not see the relationship between your edit on medical report and the content above. Recordfreenow (talk) 05:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

A false rape report submitted as an afterthought of the medical report has nothing to do with the findings of the medical examination? Jobxavier (talk) 09:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

NCM
The NCM was cited in the "reactions" section. The section I deleted was unsourced and contained bad prose. The article does not need a whole section on the reactions of the NCM, since the NCM is merely an agency affiliated with the Indian government.Pectoretalk 18:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Religious violence in Orissa
In light of your additions in the article Religious violence in Orissa, I suggest you refer to WP:EL. -- Googlean   Results  10:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

reply
I did reply to your concerns on the talk page. Let's keep the discussion there.Pectoretalk 05:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm interested in portraying controversies on Wikipedia the way they are perceived in the real world. Dayal is an extremely controversial figure, and if you have talked to any of the substantial number of Indians who espouse Hindu nationalism, you would instantly see what I am talking about. That's why I'm interested in finding legitimate criticism of Dayal, since there are editors like you that display his works and such. I believe you and I are both working for the pedia in this instance, albeit from different directions.Pectoretalk 05:42, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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