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Era Vulgaris
Thanks for working on the article. I noticed that you reassessed the article too. I've reverted it to start class, because:


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 * 2) It doesn't yet meet the criteria for B class at WP:ALBUM.

Once the article meets the criteria, please submit it for assessment at WP:ALBUMA. Thanks - Alex valavanis 08:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

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Era Vulgaris (album)
Hi, I hope all is well. I'll keep an eye on 72.72.36.247, and I've given him a 'gentle' warning. Hopefully it's just some kid messing around. All the best, Pat. Scarian 00:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping, though it's 216.231.14.195 who has added it on several occasions. It probably some kid and hopefull they'll give up soon. red157 00:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I like your deviant art stuff, btw. Okay anyway, I gave that guy his second tag... he's done a fair amount of vandalism. All the best, Pat. Scarian 00:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thans for visiting my DeviantArt and helping out with the vandal. Always nice to see a person on wikipedia with a similar outlook on things. red157 00:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Songs for the Deaf
Hi, mate from Rekords Rekords forum. I saw your contributions and help to this article There are some questions unanswered (stated by reviewer):
 * How did they choose a producer?
 * What was their goal for the album?
 * Were there snafus that almost halted production?
 * Where did they record?

Any clues? Can I footnote to thefade.net?

Broken soul 13:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Without research I don't know many of the answers, and I don't think I'd be able to find a reference for the last question. thefade.net does seem a good source, as it knows more about the band than most who write articles and has almost been given the stamp of approval by QOTSA themselves (The competition a while back). red157 13:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Look, what I've found:

It's a snippet from article with interview with Josh Homme, and it describes what was the band's goal, isn't it?

"I've been thinking of this album since the first album, not necessarily the radio thing, but to me that isn't the full concept, the full concept is the diversity of it all," Homme explains. "I think we're supposed to be pushing buttons over the three records. I've always looked at our first three records as a set: the first one was to distance ourselves from Kyuss, the second album fanned out the music into different areas and this one takes that out even a little further, I think. A dynamic for the records had been created, so then it's inevitable that a pattern is set. And the reason to set a pattern is to destroy it, and you first have to think of what you wanna destroy before you set the pattern."

Broken soul 12:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

or this one:

"We're still doin' the same thing we always did, which is play music that we wanna hear but we can't buy it in the stores so we have to make it. We're not trying to cater to anybody - I wouldn't know how to do that because I've never sold records, you know what I mean? 'Let's write a single!' I don't know what that is - I've never had one. But if sellin' out means we've sold some records, then bring it!" Broken soul 12:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read those bits in the 'No one Knows' book and agree that it's quite clearly Josh explaining the band's goals. Good find. red157 12:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

And one more question:

Should "artwork" section should cover information about music videos? Or should I change it to "artwork and visual representation"? By the way I found out who directed "No One Knows" video. Broken soul 12:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess visual representation is just as good a term as any. Though maybe a more simple 'Video and cover art'. Well that sounds a bit stupid, probably not that. And do you use the Born to Hula fan site to get the links to old articles? red157 12:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. Born to Hula, Blabbermouth, MTV, and thefade.net :) Broken soul 12:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you think it's worthy GA now?
I'm exhausted...and I have re-take descriptive grammar test for college credit tomorrow. I'm afraid I can't contribute anymore today, and tomorrow is the deadline for final statement about Good article. Does it have any chance now? Broken soul 13:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm honestly unsure. I'm free for a while today so I'll double check everything that is asked of the article by the person who failed the first GA nomination. It's certainly not as developed as examples of GA albums I've seen, but it's much better than most B rated albums. Good luck on your grammar test tomorrow. :) red157 14:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, QOTSA is very hard band to get every detail on them, don't you think? I tried to do everything that was in the hints, and I'm sure that is better than Rated-B articles, I hope it will reach GA. Thanks for help Broken soul 14:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Same to you, if it reaches GA it's you who deserves the plaudits. I've got a couple of things in mind for this article (Legacy of album, single choices), but I'm sure they can be left off for a while to see if such things are vital to a GA article. red157 14:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

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You Think I Ain't Worth a Dollar, But I Feel Like a Millionaire
Thank you for your revisions on the article You Think I Ain't Worth a Dollar, But I Feel Like a Millionaire. I am glad to see that I'm not the only Queens addict here. I do however have something to contest with you about. Your edit here is a little harsh, don't you think? I have been to a Live Queens of the Stone Age concert at the Riviera Theater here in Chicago, and It was played at the encore along with no one knows. Ask anyone who went (check Rekords Rekords Forum). I have also heard from others that it has occured at multiple different shows during their tour, including the extended "Duluth" Tour. You said: "totally untrue thing about encore...". I know it's none of my buisness but how would you know?

Thank you for your understanding.

Peace, Love, and Death Metal -- Rated R  Leg of Lamb 01:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * My problem wasn't with how often it's played or anything like that, it's saying it was played after the encore alongside No one Knows. That may have been your gig, but the majority of times it's been played, it's used as an opener for the show.Red157 14:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Artwork in infoboxes
Yo Red, long time, just dropping by to ask about the Queens singles articles and the use of images. The covers of preceding and following singles in the infobox are a nice touch to the articles, but there's no way you can justify them as fair use - in 99% of cases cover artwork is only valid in the article on that specific product. Expect to see a lot more of the bot copyright messages flooding your way sometime soon. Skomorokh incite 22:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I still essentially know little of wikipedia and always go by what I see on other articles. This may be one of the cases where that's proved a bad idea. Saw it on Chris Cornell's single discography and thought it'd be a nice touch, forgot about all the fair use ramifications... Red157 00:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, looks like the copyright police have already nixed it on the Chris Cornell singles. Skomorokh  incite 00:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoops, so they have. Sorry about this, then.Red157 17:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be bold and remove the queens images Red, before the bots catch it. I caught onto it because I was dealing with fair use rationales of some of them; fair use rationales are required by Wikipedia's non-free policy for any article they are used in. But as Skomorokh said, it's in most cases only valid in their specific articles. Cheers. -- Reaper  X  22:04, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good decision, again sorry for the trouble. Red157 01:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey you Stone Ager.

 * Consider me an eager beaver. Red157 00:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Mark Lanegan discography
Thanks for your help on the article. --Freedom (song) (talk) 14:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My pleasure, thanks for focusing on Mark-related articles. Red157 22:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

WhoMadeWho
Hi there Red157, I deleted the article under the speedy deletion criteria. I didn't think it met the basic requirements of notability to have an article on Wikipedia; specifically any of the criteria at Notability (music). For someone to judge its notability it needs verifiable sources which it didn't, and its popularity on myspace has no bearing on whether the topic merits an article on Wikipedia. If you still disagree with the deletion after reading the pages linked above, then please see Deletion review for instructions on how to ask for a reconsideration. Regards. Woody (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Fixing band genre capitalisation
I'm not sure whether it was an action of a bot under your name or your own action, but I've reverted your edit to the Josh Homme article. Genre capitalisation is only a small thing, but through editing all genre's mentioned on the page, you've broken many links to other articles. Notably to Eagles of Death Metal (Or Eagles of Death metal as it became). So be careful in future.  Red157 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The tool lets me review every change before it does it, so i really screwed up. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. ~ | twsx | talkcont | ~ 16:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Genre capitalizations
Hey, just to let you know, in reply to your edit summary on the Josh Homme article, the first word of the genres should be capatalized, but none of the others if you use commas (but they are if you use line breaks); see WP:ALBUM and WP:MUSTARD for more information. Cheers! ≈  The Haunted Angel  21:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah! Thanks for clearing that up, will keep that in mind.  Red157 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Mark Lanegan
Its me user:Freedom (song). Question do you know who directed Mark lanegans music videos and if you have a source for this please give it to me. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What heck are you talking about all the references comfirms the information. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 11:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Answeared. okay dokay lokay fokay stokay. Latskap. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 12:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed the references... Latskap. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 12:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the compliments you gave me. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Look at the QOTSA discography now. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 20:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That's good we have come to an agreement. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 20:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Good your helping on the discography. Do you know by any chance who directed the music videos for QOTSA new album. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding the directors and do you have a source for Rio Hackford and Paul Minor or to they all use the same source?--Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 21:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Question has Lanegan and Isobel released a single from Sunday at Devil Dirt? --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding the single. Now its goin to be easier to find the director to the music video. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 12:40, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry if i'm bothering you but can you please find who has writen the tracks on the album Sunday at Devil Dirt. If you want to help try to find directors for the following singles "Kingdoms of Rain" and "Honey Child What Can I Say". Tried can't find anything about it, but i'm still trying to find reliable sources. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

First The Gutter Twins is a band not Lanegans solo work and the Billboard 200 sais that "Honey Child What Can I Say" is a single. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thats intresting. I ges i'll track down the music video director and see if it has a music video. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)--Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help on the Mark Lanegan discography and QotSA discography. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 10:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Question do you think this picture is in the Public Domain? http://www.barrettmartin.com/jpegs/barrett2.jpg --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 11:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Because you've helped me with Lanegan related articles i might be able to help you to get Songs for the Deaf to a Good article. I'll wait for your answear. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 14:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I've got a plan. First write about the tour for the album like they do on all the Soundgarden albums and if that's not enough we could do what they did on the Hybrid Theory page which is a Good Article, make a section under the name songs, where you write about the singles, their lyrical meaning, reception so on to expand the article, or we can do something else if you have another plan. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 15:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the compliment and i'll start looking for accolades for the album. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 15:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Question been gone for a while trying to get some sources for somethings for the album and do me a favour try can you try to find a source for the different lyrical meanings for the singles from the album. Oh and i'll probably be making a demo for the article on my sandbox so it might take a while before i'll start editing the article again. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It was an excuss to this:NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP I DON'T THINKS SO LA LA LA LA LA. So sorry no video, i didn't mean to fool you in any way. Rocks rock --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 18:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

And yes i've reverted my edit. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

List of Arctic Monkeys awards
Ah, I must have missed this. Thanks for the edit! Gary King ( talk ) 18:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

SFTD GA
Hi there. I'll try give as good a response as possible. I'm sorry you felt that my GA standards were too harsh. Of all the GAs I've reviewed, it is only the second I've failed. However, I try and make sure the articles end up in a better condition than they started with. I hope I've managed the same with Songs for the Deaf.

Regarding the three bullet points you mentioned on my talk page - breadth of coverage. I was unsure about this at first, but since two other editors brought this up, and nothing seemed to be done to either try and improve the coverage or leave a response on the GA talk page, it was the clincher to failing the article. The other two criteria wouldn't have been enough in themselves to fail. You're right that some GAs have different levels than others, but while the current process remains in place, that it's generally in the hands of one reviewer, then unfortunately that will be the case. - stability. It was not to do with the amount of edits during the GA process. I was unsure whether yourself and the other principal editor were entirely sure about the consensus of the article. - images. Like you say not a biggie. But since I failed the article, I thought I'd mention it as a guide to further improvements. Nothing more. Nothing less.

The wonders of the GA process are that if you nominated it again today, it might well be passed straight off. My own suggestions would be to talk with the other principal editor on the talk page and try best to decide on a common consensus, try find some references, whether they be online, in journals or books - some must exist somewhere - and then go back to GA. I'll leave it entirely up to you. Peanut4 (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just stopping by to agree with Peanut4; the article didn't meet the criteria (which have thankfully become tougher) at the time. We should try and put as much work into the article as possible before the nomination in future. Great to see the Lanegan discography featured btw. Skomorokh  02:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a quick response to your own response. The main reason I failed it was the breadth. I brought up the other two points simply to point towards future improvements rather than failable reasons. Had it had the fuller breadth of coverage, I would have passed it. As for the comparison with other GAs, I'm afraid that's the differences. Some FAs are better than others, but I think the difference between the best and worst GAs is vast. Peanut4 (talk) 21:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Isobel Campbell discography
Cleaned a bit up her. You may have noticed that i have removed the EPs, but thats cause all those EPs are singles. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 08:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you help me adding punctuation to the QotSA discography. You don't need to do that other stuff cause most of it is already done. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I ges your right, my recent edits havn't been the best. And actually my mom is half english and half scotish but since i don't live with her and i live in Norway i'd never really bothered to check my english probably. I ges i should by buying a dictionary. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 15:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Learn this add catalogue numbers for all the albums on the The White Stripes discography, if you don't know what it is look at the Mark Lanegan discography. You'll find these catalogue numbers on the different album reviews at Allmusic. If you didn't get this just say so. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 07:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The White Stripes discography
No problem, glad I was of some help. --JD554 (talk) 10:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for July 2008
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Rushing in...
I'll take a look. Don't be scared! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * " The White Stripes have won thirteen awards from 43 nominations." - infobox says 47 noms, 12 wins... needs resolving straight away. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Rock music WikiProject
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 * Someone has vandalised the page, good you noticed it. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 14:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll contact, CloudNine whos an admin. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding those new colours to the Josh Homme discography and thanks for adding me on the list of Current people I like on Wikipedia. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 15:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

TWS discog
I've left further comments - one is quite serious and will prevent me from promoting the list, despite the quick supports you got... Let me know what you think. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The third point, about reference [15]... Could that be solved by just making it a general reference? As other wise I'd have to use the specific references... Just take the Ireland column in singles, I'd have to link to seven specific references and I doubt they'll all fit in that box. Well unless I find another link to an Ireland chart. Guess that's what I'll have to do, keep [15] as a general reference and find more specific ones elsewhere.  Red157  ( talk •  contribs )  13:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This does seem to be a common problem for these discographies where dozens of individual results (ie. the chart positions) need referencing. I think we need to reference each claim correctly and see how it goes. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Red157 here http://irish-charts.com/showinterpret.asp?interpret=the%20white%20stripes, here you have all the irish chart positions on one page. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 13:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've started on it now (Swapping all the references and such). Thanks for that link.  Red157  ( talk •  contribs )  13:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

←The reference for the German albums appears to be broken [14]. I think the only way around it is to put a specific reference from the relevant aCharts page next to each German album's chart position.--JD554 (talk) 14:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's rather annoying... Will do.  Red157  ( talk •  contribs )  14:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Here, http://www.musicline.de/de/chartverfolgung_summary/artist/White+Stripes%2C+The/?type=longplay, this page includes all German chart positions on one page. Its in German. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 14:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That was totally the link I've been trying to find, thanks dude.  Red157  ( talk •  contribs )  15:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

See
See this Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies/style a discussion about how many charts should be in a discography. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 11:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you and is no harm to not partisipate in the discussion. Oh and about that removal Nirvana from the associated act, Mark Lanegan was in a band under the name The Jure or something with Coban and Novoselic. :] or :). --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 14:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well one of the song they recorded was on MTV Unplugged in New York. I think it was The Man Who Sold the World or The Man Who Sold the World, i don't remember but its was a cover song. The bands name is The Jure so i've added it, the problem is that it doesn't have its own article. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 07:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * mm, yeah eh Eleven, they havn't broken up and if they have you need a source for it, even if natasha is dead it doesn't mean that the band has broken up. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 11:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject QOTSA
No Problem, I was on a prolonged wikibreak so it's cool. :: Rated R  Leg of Lamb 15:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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