User talk:Red4tribe/Archive 1

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Battle of Britain
You rather misquoted Churchill on the matter of the Battle of Britain. See the speech: Never was so much owed by so many to so few. - Emt147 Burninate!  03:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

War on Terrorism
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Geraldine O'Connell
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Your recent edits
You have been persistently editing the Battle of Harlem Heights and the Battle of White Plains to American victories, when the previous reference clearly states that both battles were a draw and a British victory respectively. Harlem Heights, both sides retreated and there was no clear outcome. White Plains, the American army retreated. I also see you have left the previous reference there, while stating the battle as an American victory. The reference states otherwise. So, you are making edits with unsourced or original material, which violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. Be advised that I will be contacting the administrators about this vandalism this afternoon, and that your account be suspended from editing. (Trip Johnson (talk) 11:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC))


 * Written by American websites, so no wonder its listed as an American victory. The battle was a draw, like it or not. Leave it or I will report you again. You have been reported and warned once (Trip Johnson (talk) 12:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC))


 * Do not talk to me in that tone. You sir, are a patriotic vandal, you will just not leave it alone. I have provided three sources now, all of which list the battle as a draw. You have been warned, and reported but still you will not let it rest. Let's see what the admins have to say shall we? You cannot report me for vandalism, as it was you that began listing the battle and White Plains as an American victory, whilst referring to the same sources. (Trip Johnson (talk) 12:55, 9 April 2008 (UTC))

I have put up some alternatives on the Harlem Heights talk page. I think the answer here is in avoiding seeking clarity in mud. CLearly there is some dispute over the tactical result so lets look for alternatives. We have sources declaring both. Annother option would be to mention on the Military History talk page to see if some outside people might weigh in. Narson (talk) 13:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Red, just because you think the discussion is going 4-1 for an American victory, we have not reached a consensus yet on the result, so do not go about editing it. I have reverted it, when we reach a conclusion that one will stick. (Trip Johnson (talk) 17:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC))


 * Red, it appears your editing is getting out of hand now. You are citing battles as American victories, when clearly there are NOT, as you did with the Battle of White Plains, in which the American army clearly withdrew and left Fort Washington open to attack. If this vandalism does not stop, then I'm afraid I will have to report you to the administrators for vandalising Wikipedia's pages. (Trip Johnson (talk) 10:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC))


 * The problem is red, you are editing some battles, White Plains for instance, to American victories, and Trenton to a Decisive victory. (Trip Johnson (talk) 14:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC))


 * White Plains was not an American victory in any way shape or form, since the American army retreated from the field and exposing Fort Washington to assault. Washington only won three of the battles that he ever fought; Trenton, Monmouth and Yorktown if I remember correctly. Tactically and Strategically, I don't believe Trenton was a decisive battle. Psychologically it was. Imo, it was Princeton that really re-gained New Jersey for the Americans, not Trenton. (Trip Johnson (talk) 16:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC))

Your recent edits
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Thank you Red4tribe
I read your message to me. Don't worry, I don't care too much about trip comments about me. I'm having a little fun with it actually. And beleive me I have called him a few name myself. It's all for fun. I simply hope the page will be unblocked and that trip will behave. Thank you for your support. And good luck with your argument with trip :-) (Plains2007 (talk) 23:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC))

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April 2008
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I have been
Trip's got a bit of learning to do on what to do and not to do and you might see that I'm actively monitoring him now because he has made some interesting edits without citation. I'm just asking you and he both back it down a little and for crying out loud no website sourcing just get the real thing and you and he will be down to a very few points of contention. I stand by the arguement that the silliest thing in wiki is the who won arguments. Tirronan (talk) 00:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I was referring to both of you actually and no it isn't ok for either side at all. You might check to see that I put a warning about it on his page and we are going to stop with this now. Tirronan (talk) 14:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Friendly request
Hello, by no means am I trying to tell you how to use Wikipedia, but is there any chance you could include edit summaries when making changes? Some of your recent updates to casualty figures are difficult to follow without rationale or, in some cases, citations. Kindest regards, AlphaEta  01:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Red, I was looking at this edit in particular. There is a discrepancy between the number of U.S. wounded in the infobox and the text.  Of course, there were problems with the number killed before you corrected it.  It's just difficult to figure out which casualty figures are correct without more information.  Thanks,  AlphaEta  01:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello again, sorry to keep bothering you. Do you know how reliable the source is?  The Combined Arms Research Library lists the U.S. casualty count at 126 wounded (scroll down and see Figure 4 in this document, which is based on the War Department records).  Let me know what you think. Thanks,  AlphaEta  02:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Batavian Flag
Just to let you know that the 'Flag of the Batavian Republic' is in fact only the naval flag, not the state flag which until I find otherwise, should be presumed to be that of the current Dutch flag.  Centy  – [ reply ]• contribs  – 02:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

American forces in Kip's Bay Landing
Hey there, I just reverted one of your edits to Landing at Kip's Bay. Far from thinking I own this article, I merely already have an existing argument for changing this to 500. Please see the talk page and make your case where I already have started a discussion. There are also some reasons for choosing award-winning historian standpoints over website standpoints - but again, let's hash this out on the talk page. To repeat - I sincerely welcome your assistance with making this article as robust and accurate as possible, and if you are right about the 900 American forces number, it should most definitely be reflected as such in the article. Thanks! Tan  |   39  13:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Philadelphia Campaign
Red4tribe, I see that you've modified the killed/wounded statistics for the Philadelphia Campaign article. Would you please be as kind as to cite your source for these statistics? Alphageekpa (talk) 11:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Denmark
Hi there Red. With reference to your new article Battle of Denmark - you do know that all that is already very well covered in Operation Weserübung? Manxruler (talk) 02:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I don't want it deleted at all. I actually thought of creating it myself a while ago. I agree that it deserves a separate article, even though the Danes only put up a couple of hours of fighting there's plenty of stuff that isn't covered by Weserübung. It just needs some references, is all, and there are some very good ones at the Weserübung article. Manxruler (talk) 14:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * When I have the time, probably within the next few weeks, I'll give you a hand with the article and do some work on it. For now, observe what I did with the three identical in-line citations, it's called ref name=. Manxruler (talk) 16:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Peter van Uhm
Greetings Red4tribe. I notice you put Peter van Uhm on the War in Afghanistan. I was wondering why Peter van Uhm is there and not Michael Mullen, Jock Stirrup Richard Hillier? We can discuss commanders here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#Commanders_in_Chief

Vandalism on Suriname
I guess you saw and thought 205.202.240.118 had vandalized, but the diff only shows that vandalism was fixed there. It doesn't show when the vandalism was made. The edit by 205.202.240.118 actually also removed vandalism which was made earlier by 64.4.236.143. 205.202.240.118 has not vandalized since January where somebody else may have been using that IP address. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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Indentation
Hi... when you reply on talk pages, it helps make the page visually clearer if you use indentation, beginning with one or more colons, depending on the "level" that you are replying to. For example, If I ask a question?
 * And then you reply
 * And then someone else replies to that reply.
 * And someone else to that reply.
 * But then someone replies to the original question.

It is easier to see the flow, if you see what I mean. Instead of: I ask a question? And then you reply And then someone else replies to that reply. And someone else to that reply. But then someone replies to the original question.

The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 16:36, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Languages in the Dutch West Indies
I changed the article again to clarify some things. Just so you know the full facts: on Aruba and Bonaire, the elementary schools are in Papiamentu, but the older levels are in Dutch. Dutch is a required subject at during elementary school on both islands. On Curacao, the educational system is still in Dutch from beginning to end. On those three islands, Dutch fluency is high, and the government functions in Dutch and Papiamentu.

Sint Maarten, Saba, and Sint Eustatius are English speaking islands, and function in English for nearly all things. Dutch is taught in school, but fluency rates are not high.

Sources contradict themselves on Aruba, but that's because of the high immigration level from South America. Native Arubans that have undergone an Aruban education speak Dutch. Most immigrants function primarily in Spanish and English. Aruba has taken steps to ensure Papiamentu fluency among immigrants, by requiring people to pass a test on Papiamentu before they can renew their annual residence permit after a certain period of time (3 or 4 years, I'm not sure which). They've made no such effort to preserve Dutch, so Dutch fluency is declining. Still, children of immigrants wind up with reasonable Dutch fluency, so it won't disappear. "Virtually everyone" is highly misleading, though. Even on Bonaire. I would put Dutch fluency at somewhere around 75-80%, because many South American and North American immigrants don't speak it.

I'm a Bonaire resident, so feel free to ask if you need help making sense of what sources tell you about the Netherlands Antilles. Just remember ... we aren't a homogenous place. That's why the country never worked well, and why we are dismantling it.Kww (talk) 21:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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Indonesia map
Hello there. Could you please provide a page number for the Ricklefs reference for the Dutch Expansion map. regards --Merbabu (talk) 14:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * From where I got the information, his book was listedas a reference. (Red4tribe (talk) 14:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
 * OK - so I have the book - the previous edition, and there is no such information. I strongly doubt that the information is in the newer addition. --Merbabu (talk) 14:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a demonstration of why you should not rely on self-published websites. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 19:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Please engage in discussions on the talk page
Hi. You have a tendency to just revert things in the article without replying to discussions that have been posted on the talk page. I asked you a question here but instead of answering, you just reverted. This signals bad faith. Please engage in discussions. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 14:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

End of Empire vs End of an Empire
It was deliberately "end of empire". I rather think that you should leave matters of English to those who speak it as their primary language. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 02:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a commonly used phrase.   The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 02:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello
I don't think we got off to a nice start, so let me apologize if I did not start off nicely and say hello. Now that you have added in a source for the heavy casualties, I will let it stay for the meantime, until exact numbers can be found for the casualties suffered by the Ottomans. I hope you don't delete this, and hope also that you stop by and say hi. Tourskin (talk) 03:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

De Tocht naar Chatham
I think that the big problem is the certainty of the number. Re reading Pepys and the | de Ruyter site, one sees many 'correct' versions. The whole story is one of the total disarray of the English establishment and Pepys frustration at not being able to ascertain the truth. Then is the question of whether at least three ships including the frigate Unity was British or Dutch- as they had been previously captured from the Dutch. The Brits fired and sunk there own vessels. Vessels are differently identified by differnt sources. Do we include the four subsequently scuttled off Gravesend. What is a ship- do we include fore and aft rigged vessels. As for my sources-my pocket reference is a City of Rochester Society booklet that principally quotes Pepys- but that must be questioned too; and proximity to the Museum of the Royal Dockyards. ClemRutter (talk) 08:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Italian Empire
You don't appear to have learned from your block and previous conversations, do you? When someone has reverted your change and explained why on the talk page, please reply on the talk page and address the concerns, don't simply revert again. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 21:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I encourage you to put back the original map and engage the discussion on the talk page. You are skating on thin ice with your reversions here given your two previous blocks for 3RR violations.  Note that "3RR" is not a hard and fast limit - you can be blocked for less (from WP:3RR - "Editors may still be blocked even if they have made three or fewer reverts in a 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive.").   The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 21:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The right thing to have done, given your history of uploading disputed self-drawn maps and very recent block for 3RR over a similar matter, would have been to have made a case for your map on the talk page of the article, explaining why your new map should replace the old and the references for what you have drawn. However, it seems you are back to your old ways of forcing your maps onto the page and then scrabbling around afterwards for dodgy self-published websites to back them up.  So I have reported you for 3RR violations "in spirit".  Perhaps you will be lucky and get off with a warning, but it is a warning that you need, nevertheless.   The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 21:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ps if you revert yourself back to the 1940 map, outline your arguments on the talk page, and give the matter a few days for others to respond, I shall withdraw the 3RR report.  The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 21:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:Italian empire 1940.png

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Image:Colonial Possesions 1674.PNG
It seems, there are some mistakes on your map. In Northern Europe, both Estonia (up until 1721) and Finland (even for longer) were under Sweden, not under the Russian Empire. Please fix this problem. H2ppyme (talk) 19:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Just in case you didnt notice
There is a message at your new article talk page that needs carefully addressing. Also some editors are quite concerned where an article is based on onesource - cheers SatuSuro 01:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

help
I'm very sick of this User talk:Trip Johnson.He is very uncivil and I am only one among many editors who he has argued with. See talk:Battle of Harlem Heights for a sample. Take a look at the lovely name he called me here. I apologize if this is the wrong spot, but I'm not sure where this should go. He has recieved many warning in his past but has a tendency to delete everything on his talk page every time he gets a warning. Juts look at past versions. Red4tribe (talk) 16:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would recommend filing at WP:ANI to get the attention of an administrator. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, you could file a wikiquette alert. xenocidic (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Red4tribe (talk) 17:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Map, again
If you readd any more of your unsourced and disputed maps, I am going to report you for persisting in exactly the same edits and behaviour that got you three blocks already. You have REPEATEDLY been asked to use talk pages when matters are in dispute. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 18:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You've reverted it twice now. I will give you five minutes to self revert and propose its addition on the talk page, which is the proper way to do things, if you haven't by then, I am going to report you for the various reverts that you have done on your return from your block.   The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 18:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thankyou. Using talk pages shouldn't really appear pointless to you - it's how the community at Wikipedia works.  If there appears to not be much foot traffic on the talk page concerned, you can always ask for comments on other talk pages.  But anyway, it's a dramatic improvement that you have actually used the talk page this time, so I hope you keep up the right attitude.   The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 18:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

East African Campaign (World War II)
Hi. You kindly edited this article recently adding a citation: "Tucker (2005), p. 400". According to WorldCat there were 401 books published in 2005 authored by someone called Tucker so this citation is of little use without giving the full book details in the "Sources" section of the article! I wondered if you could dig out the book details and add them to the article? Thanks. Stephen Kirragetalk - contribs 22:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help in this matter. Stephen Kirragetalk - contribs 23:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

William the Silent
I have removed this article from WP:FAC; please see the instructions at the top of FAC regarding discussion before nomination with principle contributors. Thanks, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Waterloo
Red you have to be really careful about changes to that article, its watched by me and about 50 other editors that and 6 contribute on a regular basis. If you can't cite it you just don't do it on that article without folks getting really upset. Tirronan (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)