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Your submission at Articles for creation: National Native American Veterans Memorial (November 24)
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Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:16, 24 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, I saw your unanswered request on the IRC #wikipedia-en-help channel, but I saw it too late; you had already given up and left. That's okay, coverage has been a bit sparse on the channel, but when someone, as you did, follows the instructions and posts a link about the issue they want help with, we can followup.
 * I imagine you are feeling a bit frustrated by the decline on your draft about the memorial. The boilerplate instructions are somewhat terse and jargon-filled, so the meaning is not always clear.
 * In short, the main problem with your draft is that it relies on a single reference put out by the sponsoring institution. All by itself, this sort of reference cannot establish notability, a key component of what makes a Wikipedia article possible. We expect to see secondary coverage, usually in the press about new things (we like to see books and journal articles for older topics). Speaking in depth about a subject that does not yet exist must be done very carefully, so as not to have it sound like Wikipedia is promising that a future event will occur (see CRYSTAL).
 * So, there should be some newspaper coverage about the legislative journey to authorize this memorial that you can use, summarized in your own words, to write about it. If there was a design competition, there might be some discussion of that. Those are the sorts of sources you would need for this article to be accepted – it's this coverage by what we call "reliable, independent sources" that makes or breaks notability.
 * I looked on Google for some possible sources and found it hard to locate sources that I would consider gold-standard notability references. For example – https://www.npr.org/2018/06/26/623515229/smithsonian-reveals-winning-design-for-new-native-american-veterans-memorial – is largely based on quotes from Pratt and presumably press releases from the Smithsonian, so not really independent enough. Similar problems apply to - https://newsok.com/article/5599472/oklahoma-artist-harvey-pratt-on-being-selected-to-design-the-national-native-american-veterans-memorial-its-just-hard-to-wrap-my-brain-around-it – and just about everything else I found that might be considered in-depth coverage was put out directly from the Smithsonian.
 * So, I'm afraid you have a task ahead of you: to find some better secondary, independent, in-depth, reliable sources.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 18:47, 24 November 2018 (UTC)