User talk:Red Slash/Archive1

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Redwolf24 (Talk) 23:38, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

P.S. I like messages :-P

P.P.S. I live in Bothell WA, ever hear of it? Redwolf24 23:40, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

12th Man
Sorry Matt - the problem wasn't the content of the page, it was the fact it was at The 12th Man, which has many meanings (hence the redirect to the disambiguation page). I have moved the content to an article 12th Man (American football), and fixed the link at 12th Man. I also didn't read the article in detail, thinking it was the same as 12th Man (Texas A&M) which is different, but related to American football. Perhaps they could be merged, with each other, or with American football itself? -- Chuq 10:07, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

First President
John Hancock, was absolutely not the first president of the United States. see. President of the Continental Congress, It clearly and correctly states that John Hancock is sometimes incorrectly reffered to the first president. Although the United States was an independent country at the time, the office was called President of the United States in Congress Assembled, the first president of The United States of America was most definatley George Washington., and by the way John Hancock wasn't even the first president of the Continetal Congress, he was simply its president when the declaration of independence was signed, you couldnt be more wrong, obviously history isnt your strong subject. (Mac Domhnaill 23:07, 7 August 2005 (UTC))

Divboxing
Hey! I'm so pleased you found use for divbox. I'm even more pleased you created a new color scheme daughter template to go with it.

I'd like to suggest, though, that you add to the documentation at Template talk:Divbox. By adding your new color scheme along with the others, you make it easily available to all. &mdash; Xiong &#29066; talk * 03:16, 2005 August 12 (UTC)

Columbine High School massacre
PLEASE help me with the rationale for the images. It's the only thing holding this back from being a Featured Article. I've been trying, and trying but I keep getting it wrong. I need HELP. I'm going kind of nuts, is there any way you can help? Thank you for your support. I actually do want it to be on the front page, but I respect your opinion about why it shouldn't be. Of course, I want my work to be rewarded with a front page status, but you are right, it is a touchy subject. - PRueda29

Thanks anyway, as I wrote the message to you, a user that normally moderates the page with me contacted me about the pictures and he's helped fix most of them. It is frustrating, but I tend to get frustrated easily anyway, so I'm used to it. Also, thanks for fixing the typo and adding the wikilink. I'm glad you liked the article, it took me and 4 other users eight months to gather up all the info, and I spent three entire days putting it together for featured article status (giving it a facelift). Good luck with Wikipedia, as soon as u find an article you like, you'll get addicted (trust me). PRueda29

Coug It
Do you know what Sock puppets are? One type of sock is the sock that messes with VfD to keep certain articles. Also, IP Addresses aren't counted in VfD. Also, I never count unsigned votes. That VfD was a landslide Delete. Redwolf24 04:59, 24 August 2005 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion#Coug_it Go. Redwolf24 05:06, 24 August 2005 (UTC)


 * User talk:Redwolf24. Redwolf24 05:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Please contribute to the collaboration!
Girl is the collaboration of the week! Please come grow this article... Mamawrites 03:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

User categorization
Greetings, Matt Yeager! I've noticed you've already categorized your user page in Category:Wikipedians in Washington. Could you remove your name from the Wikipedians/Washington page? The page will be deleted when all users have been removed. Thanks!!

For more information, please see User categorisation and Category:Wikipedians by location. -- Roby Wayne  Talk •  Hist 06:55, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

greetings
how does one get into the business of having strong opinions about deleting stuff? I mean, how do you get to the point where you'r offended by someone else's sillyness? I'v never wanted to delete anything. not that I oppose all deletion. I know wikipedia needs somebody to delete trash and vandalism. oh well. seeya 'round probly. Ish Micka Vonn aAmerikazakh 18:33, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Spoo!
Spoo has just been featured! Thanks for your support! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 05:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 05:26, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Please don't vandalize
Hi. Please don't vandalize pages, even if Nirvana was "WAY overrated," as it's just more work for editors to do when not writing articles, and it also makes you look bad if you're ever on WP:RFA or in some kind of dispute. Thanks and happy editing. -Matthew Cieplak (talk) (edits) 08:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You're probably right about the definition of vandalism, but there are plenty of other applicable terms. Anyway, I've made more edits making noise about this than it took to fix it, so this seems like a good as place as any to quit while we're behind. -Matthew Cieplak (talk) (edits) 08:13, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

States of Mexico
Not sure I understand the edit summary ("who in the world thought that this was an acceptable entry?") with which you modified my signed comments on Talk:States of Mexico, but yeah, when I wrote that over a year ago, Washington State was a redirect to Washington. But of course you know that, because you just changed it. Put me down as confused, but not terribly concerned. –Hajor 00:59, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the clarification. –Hajor 01:27, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

wikiversity vote
If you cast a wikiversity vote, please make a link at your Wikimedia meta-wiki user page linking back to your wikipedia user page. If you do not do so, your vote will not count. --JWSchmidt 15:33, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:Exploding animals
I think you're right about this one, so I'm giving in, as I said on the talk page. I just wanted to say "thank you very much" for being nice and humoring me by not re-reverting the template after I reverted it. You made your case clearly and without any scorn of arrogance, something that was a breath of fresh air for me. Thanks. Matt Yeager 06:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Likewise, thank you very much for participating in the discussion and considering my reasoning. That was a breath of fresh air for me.  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 19:57, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Hangman game
I'll do game 16 myself, but if you want to host game 17, have a look at User_talk:Quadraxis, for instructions, make a puzzle, then let me know here or on my talk page that you're ready. CanadaGirl 06:35, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Edit on my userpage
According to User page, it does seem acceptable to edit someone else's userpage as such in good faith unless they have requested that it not be edited (for example, on mine, I invite users to correct any spelling and grammar errors, and even take a shot at reorganizing it if they wish.) Forgot which page, but I found a link to your userpage somewhere, and I have a habit of reading people's userpages for some reason. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 06:25, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I think it was the page history for Template:Boom-stub. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 06:25, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Sure...
...George Bush sucks. But if you use that as an edit summary you may simply be reverted instinctively. It just looks like a vandal post. Marskell 23:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

...and, in fact, you have been reverted. Marskell 23:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Useing missleading edit summuries is frowed on. Please stop it.Geni 23:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The page is in a class by itself. You'll be reverted, often, within seconds. Which is a good thing most of the times... I'd just suggest: don't do "vandal tests" or, in this case, "edit summary tests that aren't actually vandalism" on George Bush. Well, don't do this anywhere. But here it's particularly annoying as it just creates work for others who look at the page as a real f***ing drag on their time. I could care less about George Bush's political standing; I just watch it because it gets vandalized (literally) dozens of times a day. If I do one revert I'm helping out. Marskell 23:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I reverted myself. What you did stoped being funny somewhere around the 10th time I saw it. Missleading edit summuries is a clasic trolling tactic as such I would advise you against doing it.Geni 23:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry if the last post was brusque. Marskell 12:56, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Fuchsia (color) coordinates
Check various Internet sites that talk about fuchsia as a color with defined RGB coordinates. The color 255 0 255 is obviously magenta, as indicated by the M in CMYK. Doing a Google search for CFYK reveals only a Canadian radio station and thus it is never used as a synonym. Any opinions on what the best choice for fuchsia is?? 66.32.248.238 23:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Tokitae
I've rewritten the article Tokitae from scratch. Perhaps you could take a look and reconsider your opinon to delete. Zeimusu | Talk page 14:34, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Chris Vance
One man's vandalism is another man's opinion. You see, what you've written for Vance is filled with opinion, which really has no place in an encyclopedia. The article, for instance, gives the impression that Dino Rossi was elected governor of Washington. Fact is, after all election laws were conformed with, the final recount showed that Gregoire came out on top. Calling the lawfully demanded hand recount a "last ditch effort" is opinion. You've also used selective facts in the article, by claiming that Rossi's election was "certified". While it's true the vote count was certified by the Sec of State, Washington State law gives the legislature the power to certify an election, and they "certified" Gregoire. And finally, it is clearly a matter of opinion that Vance "played an important role" in Rossi's challenge. Why not leave it at "played a role"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.247.148.12 (talk • contribs)


 * Hmm, that wasn't me who put all that stuff in. I just saw a huge amount of ridiculously unfactual information thrown in. Do you actually blame me for deleting this


 * "Vance eventually revealed himself as a fraud, when in 2005 he erroneously challenged thousands of voter registrations in King County. Ironically, most of the challenged voters were fellow Republican fat cats, who lived on luxury yachts and registered at rented mailboxes. Vance eventually withdrew into bitter seclusion, living out his days sending vitriolic hate mail to various regional newspapers, none of whom would print any of his rambling diatribes."


 * I mean, really? Anyways, your point about the rest of that article (which I didn't have a dang thing to do with, thank you very much) was taken. I've improved it (which you could have very easily done yourself, you know). As you don't have much of an account (and neither does the IP address that did the vandalism), I figured I'd respond here.

About Hangman
Hey, it's your friendly WB. Anyway, you seem interested in Hangman. So make sure you check out Hangman/application to apply to host the next round of Hangman. Thanks. (I'm spamming this to people who participated in round 19) -- WB 00:02, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

American
I always thought that American should link to United States, good work! Anyhoo, the reason why I'm here is that you couldn't move it to American (disambiguation). I've fixed that now, and since I'm an admin with a special interest in disambiguation I'm happy to help you sort out any problems you have like this next time. Or you could always pop in a Requested moves. Cheers.--Commander Keane 08:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't move it to American (disambiguation), Acjelen will probably revert me, and if your move idea is turned down by the community then the dab should exist at American. I don't understand why people won't let it redirect, United States is clearly the predominent usage (and I know, I've cleared 1500 "What links here" for American). I think the problem could be people from the United States feeling guilty about their world domination and wanting to pretend that they are fair, which is a shame because it means more work for the rest of us. --Commander Keane 00:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Processed Cheese
I reverted your change, since - my opinion - American cheese is not a synonym for processed cheese; it is a specific type of processed cheese. If you feel otherwise, we should discuss it on the article's talk page. &mdash;Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Updated poll
I have completely changed the poll. Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (years in titles)/Poll --AllyUnion (talk) 02:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

January 2006 Seattle meetup
Redwolf24 mentioned on Meetup/Seattle3 that you might be interested. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Rose Bowl Game
From the score, it was OBVIOUSLY a "blowout", so adding that is just redundant editorializing. It would be more interesting for the article if you could source your contention that the score was the reason that they took so much time before the next Rose Bowl. Blank Verse 13:12, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Your user page, etc.

 * A. It is past my bedtime.
 * B. "aren't" is a redirect. You might consider aren't.
 * C. You should consider coming to Seattle Wikipedia Meetup 3

WAvegetarian 07:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * 4. Canadian Hockey AFD. You got rather badly served on the "not paper" comment; I wanted to know who you were. 5. It was accidently deleted, sorry. WAvegetarian (talk) (email)   (contribs) 07:38, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

RE: Amongst
I may be a Wikirookie ... but ..... dude! "AMONGST" is a totally valid word ..... excuse (insert offensive explicative here) ;-) me for having a broad vocabulary, albeit a touch archaic. Seeing as you have a fondness for the arts (which hopefully includes literature), you surely wouldn't begrude someone their particular style of verbosity, now, would you?  Maybe once you advance more into adulthood ;-) you will have more appreciation for an author's decisive choices in turns of phrase, even if you "think" there is a better choice. I mean, I can totally see correcting errata such as typographical errors, or incorrect information ....... but, come on now!

Please, do not take this as a slam, and it is certainly not intended to evoke any expostulation or rebuttal ... just food for thought in, perhaps, less aggression for SUBTLE content changes. When I say amongst, I mean AMONGST!! LOL

Smiles .... and .... as always ..... have the day of your choice!! Eye 19:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Washington State
Ahoy there. Regarding your edits for Washington State, Washington, being the capitol district of the US, becomes a bit confused with the state, (see Washington state) I think Washington State should become a disambig page for these two, simply for clarity. I thought I'd check with you, since you seem to have taken the lead on this page. Thanks, --The Grza 08:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Diamond Rio
iTunes has wrong information. The group has 9 #1 singles. You can check their website (http://www.diamondrio.com/) to verify that. Other than that... good job on the Rio article ^_^

Dawn Escapes
Easily as good as Crashings, I think it's better. A slower sound but more mature. Marathons is easily their best song yet. Kertrats &#124; &#91;&#91;User talk:Kertrats&#124;Talk]] 04:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

"Microsoft Hearts"
Why are there quotation marks around this title? I think you should move it to the non-quoted name. Good article, though. Christopher Parham (talk) 07:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * ....um never mind. Christopher Parham (talk) 07:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank You
Hi Matt Yeager, Thank you for your support on my RFB. I withdrew it with a final vote of 14/5/2 and am planning on wait awhile before possibly re-applying. Thanks again for your vote. Jtkiefer T 21:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
If you believe that I've earned the community's trust, I'd be honored to accept your nomination. :-) &mdash;Lifeisunfair 15:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Matt! I sincerely appreciate your kind words.  I've formally accepted the nomination and answered the questions.  &mdash;Lifeisunfair 02:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for your nomination and support, Matt! I only hope that I'm able to live up the level of trust that the community has placed in me. &mdash;David Levy 06:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your support of my Rfa, Matt Yeager. I am happy to announce that I have successfully been voted an administrator, and wish to say that I will work harder to make Wikipedia a more reliable source of information. I apologize if this seems impersonal but it is past my bedtime...zzzzz... Croat Canuck 07:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Ohhhh
I was trying to figure out how you know me. I realize now that you're upset I voted against LifeisUnfair because you nominated him. Just so you know, there is already an RFA(rbitration) against me, partly for my voting style, though it is not listed. Please provide diffs for any RFA(dminship) you have a query regarding and I will explain my reasoning. Please also be aware that many users vote controversially->Boothy, Zordrac, etc., but have not been disiplined because it does not break any policies. freestylefrappe 19:33, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your intense support of my RfA, and for your generous comments. I appreciate your confidence. Best wishes for a happy new year, Tom Harrison Talk 13:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Re : Articles_for_deletion/Tapioca_Days
Hi Matt,

All done! Let me know if I have accidentally missed out anything more. :)

- Cheers, Mailer Diablo 08:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Sprotected?
Huh, so it is. I think that's really rather unnecessary, and just part of template-phobia. Anyway, I'll recategorize it. -Splash talk 01:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Running up the Score
Dealing with the article on running up the score in college football, the Alabama fan makes some very reasonable points about why they kept their players still in the game in the 3rd quarter. The page should try to balance the issues more. In my opinion, running up the score means playing starters and passing in the 4th quarter when favored to win big and leading by an insourmountable margin. In the 3rd quarter, it is possible for the other team to come back, especially a florida gators team. Just remember the Bills comback agasinst the Oilers in the early 1990s. see The Comeback (American football) Nick Dillinger 05:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * considering all the possible examples throughout the history of football, I don't believe that the Florida example is the most deserving of including. I suggest we delete the florida example and keep the Western Carolina example and include the critcism about keeping the starters for the start of the 2nd half.-Nick Dillinger 06:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use image
How come you deleted my picture of Spike from the teen pregnancy page. The picture is fair use; look on it's description page. It is a low-resolution screenshot from a tv show, which qualifies as fair-use. See template:tv-screenshot for more information.--  (  ✒  |  ☏  ) 19:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Spider Solitaire
I saw on your user page a while back, that you liked Spider Solitaire, but it was a red link. I have since found an article about the game at Spider_%28solitaire%29, but since you removed the link, I couldn't just correct it. If you want to re-add it, it's there. CanadaGirl 04:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks


I would like to express my thanks to all the good people who spent their valuable time time and effort working on my (failed) RfA voting. Especially for those who actually voted to support me :). Lets move on and make together our Wikipedia an even greater place abakharev 09:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Thank you for supporting me on my successful RfA! It passed with a final tally of 40/9/1. If there's anything I can do to help, just ask!  Sceptr e  ( Talk  )

POV check on Sammamish, WA
You deleted the POV-check I had left on Sammamish, Washington as a “seemingly unnecesary POV-check”. It would've been nice to leave a blurb on the talk page with reasoning. It appears this sort of flowery chamber of commerce pamphlet-style language is pretty common in Wikipedia city pages, but I'd assert it’s not a good thing.-- wac (talk contrib) 07:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the explanation and edits. Cheers. - wac (talk contrib) 21:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Your ArbCom vote
Hi Matt. I am rather confused as to the vote you made on the page regarding my ArbCom candidacy. You wrote: Arbritration is nowhere NEAR as important as articles... anyone who puts them within worlds of each other is liable to be too arbcom-absorbed (self-absorbed) for the committee. I fully agree with you. May I ask where you got the opinion that I didn't? If it was in relation to my comment that I don't write many articles, I see my role on WP as facilitating the writing of articles, as this is where I can most productively contribute. Please note that I am not asking you to change your vote, merely to clarify so I properly understand. Cheers, [[Sam Korn ]] 10:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much. :-) [[Sam Korn ]] 12:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

My hand / cohabitation
Thank you for the best wishes :) My hand is improving/healing better than expected, so I hope to be able to reply to your comment on Talk:Cohabitation next week. When I´m completely back, I'll see whether I can clean up the article, to meet some of the issues raised on the talk page. Would you be opposed to one more template on the article: globalize? Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 14:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I have (finally) replied to your comment on Talk:Cohabitation. I hope there's still something new and useful in what I said, and that we haven't reached stalemate yet. Aecis Mr.Mojorisin' 15:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

washington
ok Ill remove the New York part since that doesnt relate to the Washington article. But I was referring to a different move than the one discussed: make Washington direct to the city, I thought the one that was discussed was to make it a disambig -- Astrokey44 |talk 03:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Mad Season, Mad season, mad season -- mad Season?
Mad Season released a CD in 1995 titled Above please explain why the search for mad season should point only to the album mad season by matchbox twenty? Also, how is the band improperly referred to as mad season? Basing this redirect on a user typing mad season instead of Mad Season is a little persnickety (especially considering mad season isn't properly referred to as "Mad season" either). Besides, I belive most people disregard proper capitalization conventions while performing searches. All that is accomplished is that looking up Mad Season (band) becomes more difficult. --Torsin 18:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Phoenix
You asked:


 * After there are no (non-talk page) links pointing there, would you support a changing of the redirect to Phoenix, Arizona? Matt Yeager 00:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I don't live in the USA; so personally I next to never have reason to think about Phoenix, Arizona. For me the automatic association of the word phoenix is the mythological bird. Inevitably, that colours my view. Secondly Phoenix, Arizona is very often called just that -- it has a standard disambiguifier which is regularly used as part of its name. Phoenix (bird) does not. That to me is weight behind Phoenix (bird) being the primary redirect.

I think there can also be a case for Phoenix (disambiguation) being the primary redirect -- because that might encourage more article writers to disambiguate Phoenix links, which would make the "what links here" button more useful for each of the substantive articles. Also, I strongly doubt that either of the uses Phoenix (bird) or Phoenix, Arizona can claim to be statistically dominant, to the extent of accounting for say 95% of searches or 95% of links or 95% of link traffic.

For me, any case for Phoenix, Arizona being the primary redirect is significantly weaker than either of the above. -- Jheald 12:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC).

Redirects, etc.
Personally, I don't have any strong feelings about where "AD" should point, but if redirecting it to Anno Domini instead of the disambig page is really so important to you, you could at least do it properly. You didn't bother including a line at the top of the Anno Domini page; most people wouldn't (or shouldn't have to) type "AD (disambiguation)" to get the disambig page.

Fourohfour 17:04, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * As per your userpage... Sorry about that. My bad. Thanks for noticing, though! Matt Yeager 22:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza!
Welcome,, to Esperanza, the Wikipedia member association! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

Now that you are a member you should read the guide to what to do now or you may be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is the StressUnit, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. Redwolf24 runs the spam to keep members up to date. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.

In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Possibles.

I encourage you to take an active voice in the running of Esperanza. We have a small government system, headed by our Administrator general, Celestianpower, and guided by the Advisory Committee comprised of FireFox, Flcelloguy, Titoxd, and Karmafist. The next set of elections will be in February, and I would be glad to see you vote, or even consider running for a position.

If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact Celestianpower by email or talk page or the Esperanza talk page. Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to work! Cheers, Sango  123   (talk)  00:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Mad Season
I understand there are technical difficulties, what I don't understand is why it should be so difficult to get to information about the band Mad Season. Most search engines are not case-sensitive so why should a search on Wikipedia be so? The most user friendly approach would be have searches for mad season, Mad Season, Mad season or mad Season (not to mention MAd season, MAD season, etc.) point to a disambiguation page except for the pages mad season (album) or Mad Season (band). If one searches Google for mad season the first six links point to the band not the album which is another reason why there should be a disambiguation page for Wikipedia searches for mad season. Also, as you stated Mad Season does not properly refer to the album mad season, but rather to the band, so by your own logic the page Mad Season should redirect to the band not the album, especially considering the aforementioned Google search.--Torsin 01:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the compromise searching for the band or the album should now be hassle free.--Torsin 03:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

RE: Request for reconsideration: my RFA
At Requests_for_adminship/Matt_Yeager, you voted "oppose", noting that you "do not see the truth in Matt's statement above, I've been in my fair share of disagreements on Wikipedia, winning some and losing some, but I've learned a lot from all of them, and I believe that I could handle administrator responsibilities without losing my head. From what I see in the e argument, he has not learned a lot and he cannot handle responsibilities without losing his head."

I don't really want to do this, but I'm wondering if you would please reconsider. The "e" issue occured about three months ago. That's what I meant when I said that "I learned a lot" from it; I did learn an awful lot about WP:CIVIL, etc. . I know I DID make mistakes on the page in multiple facets, but I'm wondering if you could point out any time where I really "lost my head". I don't personally believe that I ever acted too far out of line; I'd really appreciate knowing where I went so wrong (if in fact I did), since once a source emerged for the claim, I did back off. I haven't asked any of the other "oppose" voters to reconsider (though I might), but you seemed to have a very positive opinion of my adminship potential, except for one (admittedly bad) mistake I made. I really do believe that I've learned from that mistake, and hope that you reconsider (though of course I understand why you wouldn't). Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 00:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if I sounded harsh when I left that comment, but I reviewed some of the pages in your answer to question three. For example, you mentioned your current debate at Talk:Cohabitation.  Your first comment already sets a bad impression because, first of all, you CAPITALIZED words (which is discouraged as per WP:TALK since it is SHOUTING) and you shifted all responsibility to Aecis.  I understand that Aecis was just trying to revert vandalism and was a bit lazy, but that doesn't mean that you should be lazy, too.  I like to think of Wikipedia as a mutual community - we all have to work together.  The debate does get a bit friendlier, but I noticed that you finished the debate on a "good note" less than one hour after nominating yourself for adminship and before accepting.  You knew that nobody would vote until you accepted, so you wanted everybody, upon scrutinizing (excuse my word choice) your edits to see it end with a positive.


 * Other than that, you are an extremely well qualified candidate. You have 2900 edits and almost 300 in the WP namespace.  I'll compromise with you - since your debate with Aecis ended nicely and your argument here seems both friendly and flawless, if you can demonstrate to me one improvement in your "debates" before your RfA ends, please post it on my talk page and I'll gladly change to support.  Just one improvement - it could be by kindly asking me to vote for you, by leaving comments on your own RfA page, by further compromising with Aecis, or by engaging in a discussion somewhere else.  I do believe you have what it takes - now just prove you can improve. -- M  @  th  wiz  2020  00:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, I like the link to Special:Random in your signature! :) And I recommend that, once your RfA ends, you archive all pre-RfA discussions on your user talk page! -- M  @  th  wiz  2020  00:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably the best example of me learning from my mistakes would be the Mad Season pages (Mad Season, Mad season, Mad Season (band), Mad season (album)), especially Mad Season itself (page history). The article on the grunge band (whose actual name is Mad Season) was originally placed at (keep track of the capitalization here!) Mad Season, and the album (whose actual name is mad season) was placed at Mad Season (album), with a disamb header over the band's page. Well, mad season is a 4-million+ seller with a #1 hit, not to mention one of my favorite albums (might as well be honest =P), so I disambiguated the pages, putting the band at Mad Season (band), which worked fine until User:Torsin came along and made Mad Season redirect to the band's page. (Still with me here?) I reverted with a note in the edit summary and on his talk page, and Torsin left this note on my userpage. He provided solid evidence, and so I made Mad Season a redirect to the band's page, and made Mad season redirect to the album's page, with a disambiguation header on top of each of them. As you can see on our talk pages, this disagreement was handled civilly by both parties and to a conclusion which we both agreed with.


 * That's one example. I don't have all that many others, because I don't do the "talk page of contentious article" thing so much anymore. That's why, actually, my little musical note redirects to Special:Random... because that's how I've made so many of my worthwhile edits (like the ones to Chris Vance, Dedan Kimathi, etc... some totally random dudes that I just stumbled across in a state of total disrepair). I've tried to put the encylcopedia first, especially since the e debacle... I've come to realize that there are vastly more important (and vastly more easily changed) things than one sentence on a certain number's importance. Really, that's the most important thing I've learned from the arguments I've had on Wikipedia, and I hope that the scope of my edits proves how thoroughly I've taken it to heart. If the reasons I've presented seem compelling enough, then I would like to ask you to please change your vote on my RFA. Thanks for listening in any case. Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 06:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow... looks like you are a superb admin candidate after all. One lesson from all of this: patience is extremely important (for example, see this other discussion I had about my signature).  I'll go and change my vote in just a minute!  And good luck with your RfA!  (I'm also sorry I couldn't respond yesterday, but I was sick and I slept through most of the afternoon and evening, when I normally edit Wikipedia.) -- M  @  th  wiz  2020

My RFA
Hi, thanks for participating in my RfA discussion. Unfortunately, my fellow Wikipedians have decided at this time that I am not suitable to take on this additional responsibility, as the RfA failed with a result of 66/27/5 (71.0% support). If you voted in support of my request, thank you! If you decided to oppose me at this time, then I hope that if I do choose to reapply in the future, the effort I will make in the meantime to improve and expand my contributions to Wikipedia may persuade you to reconsider your position. All the best, Proto t c 10:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Your request for adminship
Hi Matt,

It is with regret that I have to inform you that your request for adminship was not successful on this occasion. The consensus required for a successful adminship nomination is 75-80%, and you achieved 63%. Keep up the good work however, and I look forward to seeing your name on a nomination again in the future. -- Francs2000 12:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)