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Tyre
You are one of several people that have tried to change it from "international spelling" to "British" spelling. Please join the discussion on the talk page so a proper consensus can be formed.  D r e a m Focus  14:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move of Deadmaus
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Deadmaus. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Move review
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Hillary Clinton move review
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thanks
For the very kind note at move review. Note that most of those !voting to overturn were also participants in the discussion, so your !vote is just as valid as theirs. There is no degrading of people because of how they voted in the RM. there are already cases of opposed votes who voted to endorse, and support-move voters who voted to overturn. Anyway, I do appreciate the kind words especially after taking so much heat. Best, --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank God for Mississippi
The usage of a single threatened from a non-WP:RS source implying Texas is involved is specious and borderline vandalism. Please stop. Student7 (talk) 14:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Jesus' walk on water move request
Hi there

You recently participated in a move request for the Jesus' walk on water article. There was no consensus for the proposed move, but some suggested the new possible title of Jesus walking on water and I have reopened the move request with that as the move target. If you are interested, please contribute to the debate at Talk:Jesus' walk on water. Thanks! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:02, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

New move request
I noticed you commented at the previous move request at Talk: Sunn (band), and after the closing of the Deadmau5 move a new RM was opened to move Sunn back. If you would like to comment on the discussion it is here.  STATic  message me!  17:49, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Puzzling remark
I'm puzzled by your comment, "There is no evidence that the lowercase form predominates", at the NBA draft RM. Nobody claimed that the lowercase form predominates. That is not a relevant criterion at MOS:CAPS. But if it was, we could easily produce the evidence, because in fact lowercase does predominate, in sentences, which is what matters, as you can see if you follow the links from the n-gram page you linked, to the books. So I'm wondering where you're coming from on this. Dicklyon (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * To me, the move should be decided based on whether the NBA Draft is a proper noun or not. I think it is, you think it isn't--hey, we disagree. I don't think the ngram supports the hypothesis that it's a common noun. In general, as per MOS:CAPS, don't we capitalize proper nouns? I know it is commonly treated as a proper noun; is it treated more commonly as one? I don't know, and you may well be right that it's actually more common to leave "draft" uncapitalized. But if there's evidence to prove your claim, the ngram isn't it. With respect, I dissent. Face-smile.svg Red Slash 08:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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Invitation to join a discussion
Through this way, I inform there is a discussion about partially disambiguated titles, known as "PDABs". This subguide of WP:D was approved at VPP, in a discussion you participated. Note there was a discussion of PDAB at WT:D the last weeks (everything is explained in the RFC). You are welcome to give ideas about the future of this guideline at WT:D. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  05:35, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Airbus
Because Airbus is European it is best to keep the spelling in British English; US English is just fine for Boeing. The reason those particular language phonetics were chosen is that the Airbus consortium includes those countries. E x nihil (talk) 05:50, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, Ex nihil, the guideline you're referring to, WP:TIES, only refers to national varieties of English, and Europe isn't a nation. We have no pre-existing preference about national varieties unless you're talking about (for example) a British company with strong national ties to the UK (or an Australian company with ties to Australia, etc.). I saw there was inconsistency in which version was used, so I switched it all to U.S. English. Nevertheless, in this particular case, you were right to revert; there's been a template for some time on the talk page claiming UK English, so that's what we follow. My bad for not checking; thanks for fixing it! Face-smile.svg Red Slash 22:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

RM: Berlin Central Station → Berlin Hauptbahnhof

 * (Discuss) – Berlin Central Station →  Bermicourt (talk) 13:03, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Move of pine species to scientific name not vandalism
I see that you moved Pinus flexilis back to limber pine, and Pinus albicaulis back to whitebark pine, marking the moves as reverting vandalism. User:Famartin who did the original moves seems to have acted in good faith (he mistakenly performed copy-paste moves, but we fixed that with history merging).

I reverted your move, but please do feel free to perform the usual controversial requested move process --- I see from WP:RM that you seem quite familiar with it. —hike395 (talk) 07:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hike395, I am indeed familiar with RM's! Face-smile.svg This whole situation is funny to me, and entirely my fault for such a ridiculous edit summary of the move. Sorry. But I'm not only familiar with WP:RM, I participated in one recently... that moved both the articles you mentioned to their non-Latin titles. Talk:Whitebark pine So, maybe "vandalism" is strong, but lol, I don't think I need to do another RM to recreate the RM that just closed a couple months ago in favor of those titles! Face-smile.svg Red Slash 02:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * To be clear -- I wouldn't have undone your move if you had used an edit summary that mentioned the RM from two months ago. Note that that RM didn't resolve scientific vs. common names -- it simply resolved the capitalization of the common name. I'll continue the discussion on Talk:Whitebark pine. —hike395 (talk) 03:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed. I have been known to employ an unprofessional edit summary from time to time. I regret the complications that this one caused--I should've at least mentioned it was in violation of a RM. Sorry again! Red Slash 22:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Apteva
Please just leave Apteva's talk page alone, there has already been far too much drama there. There is no real reason for your edits, it is not all that uncommon for a blocked users's talk page to be hatted and a final message left for them in this manner. If they are ever unblocked they can do whatever they want with it, but for now it should just be left alone. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right, there isn't really a reason. I don't see why you feel the need or feel you have the authority to box up that talk page, but I will respect your request. Red Slash 02:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The revocation of the talk page and hatting of the content was an administrative action. Normally nobody, admin or no, should undo an administrative action without consulting the admin who did it first. The point was and is to send a message to a user who was persistently disruptive that their disruption is over and their talk page is closed for business until such time as they successfully appeal the block, which they will need to do via WP:BASC at this point. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I feel you on that. I just think it makes things less convenient for those who want to know why a user stopped editing - I'm a regular on WP:RM and wondered what Apteva was up to, and then found out to my dismay that they'd been blocked (IDK if it was appropriate or not, but I have no reason to doubt that it was fair). It's not a big deal, honestly. And I didn't know that boxing up an unprotected usertalkpage was considered an administrative action, else I would not have done so. Sorry if that was out of line! Red Slash 02:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Jágr
Hi, sorry but I noticed you moved a Czech surname to redirect to one person with that surname, and displaced the list to Jágr (disambiguation). It may seem like a good idea, but we never do that with any surname. So would you mind please put in a technical request to revert the move. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:29, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Obama begs to differ, In ictu oculi! Face-smile.svg As do Churchill, Stalin, Reagan, Marx, De Gaulle, Lenin, and far more surnames than I could mention. I'll file an RM in this case to undo the move, and !vote against it. Red Slash 23:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe you are not familiar with WP:BRD. When someone asks you to revert a move the response is not to place a RM from the wrong end signed with "Lol".
 * What I should have done however is simply place a tech restore myself and notify you. In the interim I have moved the article to (surname). You can still follow WP:BRD, place a tech restore, and then start a clean RM without all the bad vibes. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:01, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Quite familiar. But I wasn't going to force an admin to go through the ordeal of a TM/history merge/etc. when you, me, and everybody in the world knew that redirecting Jágr to Jaromír's page would pass an RM. 100 to 1 pageviews. Seriously. 100 to 1. I apologize for bad vibes but I'm not sure how they could've been avoided. I'd almost say you're violating WP:POINT but I have no idea what that point would even be. (And I know you usually/always edit in very good faith. I'm honestly baffled. What gives?) Red Slash 04:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * My concern is how many sportsman surnames on en.wp will be affected by this? How many ice-hockey players, footballers, basketball players, baseball players should replace their surname and move the surname to (surname)? Are we talking 100s? 1000s? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:19, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a fair concern. I nevertheless think we'll rarely see a situation like this where there is very little or no compelling interest in the base form or anyone else carrying that name, while there is also a very prominent primary topic candidate that bears that surname. I can't see this happening too many times in the future. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 02:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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David and Jonathan - Please hold on a moment
You can't move an article with a long history to a WP:POVFORK and then recreate the article that you moved while removing massive amounts of content from the original article (under its new title). For one thing, the article history should remain with the original topic. Please stop editing these articles so that an admin can reverse what you have done. Then, if you think a POV fork is justified, discuss it first and gain consensus. Thank you. - MrX 01:07, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, that seems to me to be a perfectly rational thing to do when an article claims to be about a broad topic and spends almost its entire content discussing merely a minority view. Nobody's yet disputed that the majority of reliable sources refer to it as a friendship. An article on possible homosexuality is likely to survive an AfD discussion, if it were to come to that, but it's certainly not the majority viewpoint of reliable sources about the two men. Per WP:UNDUE, we follow the majority view, while mentioning the minority view if it's notable (and it surely is in this case; you'll notice I didn't delete all references from the main article). Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 01:14, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that those are your views, but you have not gained consensus for such a bold move. Even if you had, the mechanics of creating a content fork do not involve moving the original article to the content fork title, and then creating a new article with some, but not all, of the original content which you copied without proper attribution as required by the Creative Commons license. In other words, the article David and Jonathan has a history which suggests that you created the entire article yourself, today. You can't do that. - MrX 01:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's not that uncommon when you're branching out one article from another. See SPINOFF. I created this article as a spinoff from George W. Bush some six years ago, but I assure you, I did not write all of it! (See the history of the article in question) Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 01:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Except that's not what happened here. You moved the original article to a different name then you co-opted the original title for what I guess will be your version of biblical history. You can't do it the way you did it and you shouldn't do it without discussion and consensus. My urgent concern is with the mechanics of the spinoff/POV fork, not the substance. - MrX 01:41, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No, the article on David and Jonathan will simply follow the sources, nothing more. They wanted an article about the supposition of homosexuality, so now they get it. The main article will be at David and Jonathan and cover all viewpoints in accordance with their preponderance in reliable sources. If your concern is over the mechanics, perhaps a history split would be best? Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 01:50, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No, the original article with its history needs to be restored. It's really that simple.


 * "They wanted an article about the supposition of homosexuality...."I don't know what this means, but it doesn't sound very collegial. - MrX 01:58, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I regret any impoliteness in that sentence. I was attempting to restate the statements by one or two other editors on the talk page now located at Talk:Views on David and Jonathan. I absolutely did not mean any disrespect and fully apologize for any disrespect that sentence contained.Full, 100% apology. Please believe that that was not my intent in the slightest. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 02:02, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013
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Kansas City
Reddot, I've been following your edits on Kansas City Metropolitan Area and Kansas City, Missouri. First, "KC" is much more commonly used than "KCMO" to refer to Kansas City, Missouri. It generally only comes into play when one is trying to differentiate it from Kansas City, Kansas which is almost always called KCK to differentiate it from KC. I know that the Kansas editors have very strong opinions about this but the fact remains that Kansas City, Missouri is culturally, economically, and historically dominant. Secondly, though it is incorrect to refer to KCK as suburbia the fact remains that as a municipality outside of the anchor city the term suburb is appropriate, though I have tried to avoid using it as to not give a false impression. It would be undue emphasis and deceptive to elevate Kansas City, Kansas to a place more significant than other large municipalities in the Kansas CIty Metropolitan Region solely because of its name. Grey Wanderer (talk) 03:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, Grey Wanderer--are you familiar with WP:HATNOTE? You might want to look there for the reasoning behind the change to the note on top of Kansas City, Missouri. In general, we do not say See also: X (disambiguation) unless X actually redirects there. Nobody who types in KC will be taken directly to Kansas City, Missouri, so there is no need to put see also: KC (disambiguation). If you disagree with that, file a move request at Talk:KC. (I would agree with you that KC should redirect either to the Missouri city or to the metro area's article. But that's not the way it is now.)


 * As to the issue of proper emphasis on KCK in the metro area article... please do feel free to edit that and fix it if you feel I put too much weight on KCK. I may well have done so. Thanks for the message. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 03:46, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It was not the hatnote that I edited, it was the lead. Your argument for the HATNOTE makes sense though I have not edited that field myself (at least in the last year or so though I may have been the one who put it up there originally) I would posture that KCMO is so rarely used that it is inappropriate to mention it in the hatnote at all. The KCMO redirect page receives less than two visitors a day. I have made some changes to Kansas City Metropolitan Area. Mainly simply including KCK within the framework of the large cities of the metropolitan area. The list can become exhaustive and an cutoff often used in WP:WikiProject Cities is 100,000. I also will changed a blurb in the geo section about KCK being South of the Kansas River as the majority of it, most importantly downtown is North of it and historically it existed almost exclusively north of the river. Thanks for your quick reply! Grey Wanderer (talk) 04:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I was mistaken! I did edit the hatnote. when I saw your first edit I just assumed some rando came along and changed it in the lead. My apologies, I have no problems with that edit. Also I'm ecstatic about the Missouri and Kansas page you just created! The subject deserves some attention outside of the context of the civil war or athletic rivalries. The current escalation of the economic rivalry comes to mind. Hopefully the new page patrollers will see the vaule, if they don't know the significance of the history it may get a prod or something similar. Grey Wanderer (talk) 04:29, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem, no worries, that clears up a lot of confusion! Thank you for saying that about Missouri and Kansas--someone did just up and PROD it, but I sourced it tonight and hopefully it'll stand the test of time. I think the topic could use a lot of fleshing out from a local expert (are you?); I was looking for it because stuff like that's really interesting to me, and was very bummed not to find it; I could only write with what I knew and was able to find after a cursory Google search. Please, Grey Wanderer, do what you can over there if you're informed about the relationship between those two states. I've got high hopes for the article someday! Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 03:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

KC suburbs

 * Ok here is a question: How do we indicate which city is primary on suburban city pages? Almost universally in other metropolitan areas this is achieved by "X is a suburb of X" aka "Derby is a suburb of Whicta." I have met resistance on Kansas side cities when writing "Overland Park is a suburb of Kansas City, Missouri" and have been accused of being not neutral. Right now the fix is to say that the city "is located in the Kansas CIty Metropolitan Area." I think it would be much more informative to link Kansas City, Missouri and it would make the relationship clearer, would link to a much more developed page, and be consistent with what you see on the rest of Wikipedia. I feel the unspoken assumption is that Overland Park, for instance, is a suburb of Kansas City, Kansas; which is patently untrue. Do you have any thoughts on this topic? Grey Wanderer (talk) 04:22, 12 September 2013 (UTC)\


 * I mean, do we have reliable sources calling Overland Park (for instance) a suburb? I've found that a good reliable source or two put an immediate end to many discussions. Otherwise, I wonder if it's worth the hassle--after all, saying that Vancouver, Washington is part of the Portland metropolitan area is a truly simple, easily verifiable statement; to call it a suburb would require answering what the difference is between a suburb and a twin city (take, for instance, St. Paul, Minnesota, which I have never heard being described as a suburb despite it being smaller than the major city of Minneapolis). So, to sum up, I don't know; good luck! Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 03:21, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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GID close
Hi Red Slash, looks like there were some errors with your close of the RM at Talk:Gender identity disorder. I fixed up the formatting, but it also looks like you stopped mid-sentence! I went ahead and forged your signature, but you might want to finish your thoughts there. --BDD (talk) 03:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * BDD... !! Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. That was bad!! Thanks for catching me. wow, that was awful. Thank you so much! Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 04:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Paris aire urbaine
Hello,

Would you support a move to 'Paris urban area'? That's what most references do (including the creators of the aire urbaine themselves), and I would support that as well. If you do agree, perhaps a word to that end (as you suggested) would help the admin closing the discussion. Thanks. <span style="font-family:Futura, Helvetica, _sans;color:#ddd7a3;font-size:95%;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #a0a0a0;">THE PROMENADER  14:30, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Upstairs Downstairs
Sorry, but that doesn't meet requirements for a non-admin close. You should undo your close. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * It's two-to-one, we have a humungous backlog at WP:RM... I mean, what would've been the right decision? If you think the decision was wrong, please take it to WP:MRV; I will not be even the slightest bit insulted. But I felt bold enough to close it because it's one less move for some admin to close and it seemed to be the best reading of consensus. I won't undo the move, but again, if you feel the result of the move was in error, please take it to WP:MRV. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 00:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I will take to Move Review. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:George Zidek
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America
Why is it that you are setting the links on America to redirects, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=America&action=view&diff=577230123], when I think a simple piped link to United States would do? Simply wondering.  Rcsprinter  (indicate)  @ 21:34, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Great question, Rcsprinter123. The answer can be found at this talkpage archive, and the much shorter answer is that it helps gauge the percentage of visitors who visit the page America looking for the USA versus looking for the far larger landmass. We tried doing that in the middle of a move request and it predictably led to enormous and unnatural spikes in pageviews--I figured that doing it ahead of the next move request would be best. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 22:31, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Is this a temporary link arrangement or a long-term study of pageviews?  Rcsprinter  (message)  @ 16:25, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Rcsprinter123, I would propose a medium-long term arrangement. I'd like a couple of months of data--providing a circumstance where it's unlikely in the extreme that someone would be tampering with the statistics and where individual spikes on certain days would regress to the mean gradually. Do you find that appropriate? What do you think? Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 01:43, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

NOTCHANGELOG
My bad, I somehow missed that you just moved it down, though I think the language could be improved upon. --M ASEM (t) 02:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * It's okay, I may not have made that clear enough. If you can improve the language, please do. I have no dog in the fight at all, I just wanted to resolve it for the people on the talk page's sakes. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 02:41, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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MOS:NDASH
The part of the guide I paraphrased is the section concerning "ranges that might otherwise be expressed with to or through". I think it applies to a pair of years (indeed, one of the examples is "the 1939–45 war"); do you disagree? &mdash; rybec   07:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I see how 1995 - 1996 should use an endash, but I don't think 1995-96 should. To me it just looked awkward. However, I did indeed miss the phrase "the 1939–45 war" within that section--not sure how, nevertheless, I certainly did. I guess that's okay, then. It still looks weird. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 03:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

A Nightmare on Elm Street (disambiguation)
This dab page is re-created. Whilst redundant to List of A Nightmare on Elm Street media, shall we leave both alone for now? --George Ho (talk) 07:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * George Ho, sounds fine to me. There wasn't a strong enough consensus for me to say you're out of line--if you think that's the best decision, go for it. I guess we can have them both. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 03:20, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Saint Timothy
Please provide search evidence from Google Books that Timothy only occurs with Saint. The RM is now at (biblical figure) consistent with other articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * In ictu oculi, I'm somewhat puzzled by you posting this here on my talk page. I feel that writing on the RM itself would've been a better choice. I'm copying your comment to there, and likewise will respond there. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 17:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm writing it here so you will see it. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. In the future, since we tend to correspond a lot :) I would generally prefer you tagging me on that page if it has something to do with improving the page (and talking with me here if I, for example, have crossed a line in civility or something). But thank you. I definitely think you chose a better disambiguator in (biblical figure). Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 17:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Amendment to Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2
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The War of the Worlds machines
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St. Peter
RM 6.1? Hot Stop talk-contribs 05:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Wasn't there already a Talk:Saint_Peter? I thought it was a funny way to differentiate them. Feel free to revert if you prefer. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 05:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right, I completely missed it. Hot Stop talk-contribs 05:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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Kizzy
Please revert your close - you have failed to notice 2 new SPAs (I'll be putting in an SPI to see if related). And there is a compicated multi option. This requires an admin close. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:20, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Would you mind just re-proposing the move? Like I said on the close, it's basically never done (to my knowledge) to propose on page Z that X be moved to Y. Now that the article on the artist is at Kizzy your move can move forward. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 03:31, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind that, In ictu oculi. Just looked and you're right, totally SPA's. I'll redo it, just wait a few minutes for me, alright? Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 03:33, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hopefully the close is now at the very least acceptable to you. In a week you'll probably get the result you expected with the disambiguation page as the primary topic but at least the support voters and WP:RM-watchers will have their chance to weigh in. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 03:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It would be better if you just left it for an admin. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:49, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh boy, sorry you have just made it worse. Moving something and then immediately dummying up a RM to move it straight back knowing that there's an SPI ongoing? I have moved it back to status quo, shut the entire thing down and left it on admin User talk:Anthony Appleyard's plate. I'd strongly suggest you go back and revert your last 4 edits back to the state you found it and let Anthony close the original RM as he sees fit. There shouldn't be a new one while a multi SPI is in process. There's no urgency here. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:06, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with the page as it stands here? There's a closed move request and then a new one that people can !vote on. I don't know what you were getting at with your edit that I undid. It's a perfectly valid multi-move request now. Just leave it be. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 01:01, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

gun control rfc
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Dečani
Please revert your nonadmin closure at Decani move discussion because it violates WP:RMCI. You are not uninvolved editor in this discussion which has not ended with clear consensus to move the page in question.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:32, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course Red Slash is uninvolved - disagreeing with you on another page does not make an editor inherently biased. However, I'm sure any competent administrator would make the same closure, if they had the time to wade through reams of text - in which support votes are based on the weight of recent sources, and oppose votes are dominated by misuse of sources, canvassing, mendacious arguments, and so on. bobrayner (talk) 16:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I would also consider myself uninvolved, but if you still disagree, Move Review is available. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 09:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You haven't addressed my point here. Let me clarify it.
 * You should revert your nonadmin closure at Decani move discussion from two reasons:
 * You are involved per WP:INVOLVED and WP:RMCI, as explained at article's talkpage
 * Your closure violates WP:RMCI because:
 * there was no clear consensus to move the page in question
 * You discarded presented evidence for WP:COMMONNAME, proclaimed that it does not exist although more than 5,000 English language books use Decani compared to 72 hits for Deçan
 * Please revert your nonadmin closure at Decani.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I still stand by my decision. I was not involved and it sure seemed like consensus was clear. Please, file a move review. I would even do it myself for you. (Note that an administrator did review the close in order to delete the pre-existing redirect. Just FYI.) Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 20:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Arizona Territory (Confederate States of America)
Please provide your opinion on the alternate proposal to move the article in question to Confederate Arizona. Cheers! bd2412 T 22:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Close of move
Doing search for number of article with specific terms is not accurate. With respect to pubmed one actually need to manually count. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:40, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to count them manually not just type into pubmed.
 * Try it. Search for review articles for Cannabis from the last 5 years. Set the display to 200. Search for cannabis and you pick you 73+79+11=163, type in Marijuana you pick up 13+8+1=22.
 * Next search Marijuana review articles from the last 5 years. Set the display to 200. Cannabis in the title is 58+64+38=155. Marijuana in the title is 18+15+7=40. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 18:00, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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May I ask, why did you move "Intestinal Sound" back to "Stomach rumble"? Captain Cornwall (talk) 18:21, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, Captain Cornwall. The main reason is WP:COMMONNAME, which says that our article titles should describe what the subject is commonly called in English. I'd be open to suggestions and you're free to put in a requested move, but please make sure whatever move you propose follows our naming criteria. Thank you very much for your contributions to the article, though--it looks a lot more like an encyclopedia article after your edits!! Thank you!  Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 21:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Undercarriage
Hi,

I see you created Undercarriage (disambiguation). I have been wondering whether there is enough material to turn the Undercarriage page into a proper article. The origin of the word is in the underframe and running gear of a horse-drawn carriage, thence to carts, Cayley's gliders and on to most any vehicle which ever sits on something. Contrary to assertions by some editors, word combinations such as Locomotive + undercarriage, or automobile + undercarriage, are still popular (e.g. try googling them). So I think this would adequately serve to disambiguate. What do you think? &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 17:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Good to see you again, Steelpillow! I agree, there's likely enough to make it a stand-alone article and possibly even to wrest away (as per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC) the redirect from landing gear. Maybe chassis could be moved and form the basis of a sort of WP:DABTOPIC page at undercarriage? This is admittedly not my area of expertise, so I'd leave it to you, but I'd support you in doing whatever; I just made the disambiguation page as a kind of stop-gag measure. Seems like a good article could easily be written on the topic;. I say go for it! Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 17:33, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Who in the world are you to tell someone that she's misspelling her own name?
Who in the world are you to tell someone that she's misspelling her own name? She gave her name an interview. Why should we disregard that because of your preference for sources with limited accents. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:20, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I ask you eight questions on an article talk page, you ignore all eight, and you come to my userpage when I have previously requested for any article-related business to stay at the article's talkpage. Not the greatest moment in your editing career, I daresay. Please, if you have any further comments, please make them there. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 06:54, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I came to your User talk page because you again made personal attacks and personal comments and these are best addressed at a User talk page. Your comments, not just "Who in the world are you to tell someone that she's misspelling her own name?" (which is bizarre in any context) are generating heat not light. I request that you please do not personalize discussions. I have nothing further to say on that Talk page as I can do without the stream of personalized comment. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I apologize fully for any comment I made that generated heat instead of light. You have my full, unreserved and unconditional apology. While I do wish you had provided some sort of answer to some of the questions I asked, I understand why you want to leave that discussion behind. It got heated and I'm not quite sure how (I felt you were dodging my questions, but that's no excuse if I took that and made things more heated than they should have been). I apologize for any negative role I played in the discussion and would ask your forgiveness if I have offended you. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 07:20, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Autobahn
Hey Red Slash. Thanks for the thanks:-) I just wanted to let you in on a procedural nuance. Many admins are not that familiar with complex moves and move cleanup. We always hope that the one who actually performs the move will be – will check histories and so forth, and not do the move if they don't know how – but that doesn't always work out. For Autobahn, you had to hope whoever responded would see that German autobahns not only had a long page history but was a source of merged content and would know not to delete that and what to do. What I'm getting at is that in the future if you place a note about that in the db-g6 template, you'll be much more assured that good procedure will be followed. Best regards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:44, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much - it's good to know that and I had no idea before you told me that that was an issue (though it certainly makes sense!)... I will be sure to be more careful when closing moves! Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 06:02, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

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