User talk:Reddy Naidu

=Reddys and Naidus are actually reddy naidus= =Origin=

The 19th century writer Edgar Thurston in his "Castes and Tribes of Southern India" stated that Reddys were the village chiefs and listed them under the section Kapu[2]. The village chiefs were given the title 'Reddy'. The census carried out during the British period in the Madras Presidency listed Reddy and Kapu together. People belonging to other agrarian communities such as Telaga,and Velama. This indicates the common origin of all agrarian castes in the state of Andhra Pradesh. Recent genetic studies support the belief that all the agrarian castes shared the similar ethnic origins as also all south Indian castes. Some linguists surmised the word Reddy originated from the medieval term Rattodu, which is derived from Rashtrakutudu. The Rashtrakutas employed wealthy local farmers to head villages and collect taxes in the empire and conferred the title of Reddy. The usage of the word Reddy specifically was first seen in the inscriptions made during the Renati Chola period (7th century CE).[3] Another theory relates the Reddies to the Rathis, who ruled over small principalities in the Deccan plateau before 200 BCE and before the Satavahanas and Mauryas. The Rathis left coins in northern Andhra Pradesh, Kurnool district, and near Pune. The coins are found in the levels between the megalithic and Satavahana levels in excavations. The usage of the word Reddy specifically was first seen in the inscriptions made during the Renati Chola times (7th century CE) [3]. After the fall of Kakatiya dynasty in south India in 1323 CE, there was a movement for independence under the leadership of Musunuri Nayaks. All the warrior castes of Telugu land united and successfully recaptured Warangal from the Delhi Sultanate. However, the unity of Telugu land lasted only for fifty years.

Kapu in Medieval time referred to people or warriors who were engaged in protecting villages and towns from bandits and invading forces. Their primary responsibility was regional defense. During times of peace they took to agriculture and due to this peacetime activity the term, Kapu became synonymous with agriculture as well.

'''Agriculturist (Kapus) formed the bedrock of Telugu society and was certainly the mother of all the subcastes of this community. A simplistic way to describe the development of these divisions would be that the basic unite of Telugu society was and still is the village. Which ever caste comprised the largest landowning class dominated the village society. In villages where Kapus were in the majority, they dominated the social structure. In the villages, small and medium scale farmers were the majority and referred to themselves as Palle Kapu (Farmer). Amongst the larger landowners a leader was picked and was given the title of Pedda Kapu or Reddy.'''

=note= Amongst the rest, trusted individuals were picked by these Pedda Kapus to protect the village and called Vuuru Kapu/Prantha Kapus. Others were picked to protect the livestock and Farms and were called Panta Kapus.

=Dynasties=

After Satavahana dynasty Andhra Pradesh was divided into several kingdoms, such as Ikshvakus, Brihatpalayanas, Anandas, Salankayanas, Pitrubhaktas, Matharas, Vasishtas etc. Ikshwaku dynasti supported Budhism. Chalukya dynasty (540-1075 AD) was a warrior tribe/caste dynasty and was Vaishnavite, but upheld tribal/caste differences and Vedic learning and supported Brahmins. Vishnuvardhana was a staunch Vaishnavite and revived Aswamedha, but his queen was a devout Jain! Later kings of the dynasty converted to Shaivism. Toward the end of the dynasty Virashaivism came to Andhra Pradesh from Karnataka. Budhism totally declined because of lack of royal support. Kakatiya Dynasty (1000-1323 AD) was an indigenous power that sprang from the local people (the so-called vedic fourth class, the Sudras). Jainism was prominent during 11th century but was wiped out by Shaivism during this period. Reddy dynasty (1325-1424AD) was established by kapu, and Reddis, powerful non-Aryan tribes/castes. Vijayanagara empire (1336-1678 AD), Vijayanagaram city as capital, was ruled by four dynasties in succession:1) Sangama, 2) Saluva, 3) Tuluva, and 4) Aravidu dynasties. With the threat of Islam (an alien religion and culture), various local religions/tribes/castes came together (christened by Islamic invaders as Hindus) to fight against Islam, during this period. The Vijayanagara rulers hailed from local peasant communities and tried to perpetuate or protect the individual religious/tribal/caste identities.

=Deletions and additions=

DEAR FELLOW REDDYS DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANY DISJOINTEDNESS IN OUR REDDY ARTICLE. Another caste is constantly vandalizing our page and wants to eliminate the existence of our caste so that we are no a longer caste but a mere title. This is what was done to the Patel's article. I have given direct citations in the article itself, including page numbers, so no one can challenge it unless they resort to pure vandalism. I am the one who added the following: Reddy is a forward caste of Andhra Pradesh. British museologist and ethnographer, Edgar Thurston, in page 223 of the third volume of his Castes and Tribes of Southern India states that Reddys are the great landholders of the Telugu districts "and next to the Brahmans are the leaders of Hindu Society". I have cited the reference in the passage itself. I don't why a certain caste is trying to destroy Reddy identity but it is breeding blood hatred for that caste. Remember this is read all over the world and there will be consequences for your caste if you continue to erase legitimate citations. If you have a problem with it say why. Tit for Tat vandalizing is not the answer. More important me and other Reddys will bear a Nazi-like hatred for that caste. We all know who that anti-Reddy caste is. We all know who this caste is and it is breeding blood hatred which can effect real things like money and employment for that caste. The section "Notorious Reddys" was deleted by someone. A logical explanation should have been given before deleting the matter. One can argue about these names in an unbiased manner. I have organised all the names mentioned under categories but the list still needs a lot of work. People notable for both positive and negative reasons can be included if they are notable enough and if only bare facts are given. See WP:BLP. Also, some people are mentioned twice, there is a lot of formatting to do, etc. etc. Itsmejudith 14:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC) The material in "Notorious Reddys" has been continually re-added. This is in breach of Wikipedia policy WP:BLP since the information is negative and largely unverifiable, and therefore potentially libellous. I have asked for the page to be semi-protected so that this material cannot be added again by an anonymous editor. Negative points about individuals can be added in these circumstances: if there is a good source, if that individual is a public figure in their own right (not just a relative of a public figure), if the information is relevant to the subject's notability and if the presentation is unbiased. Thanks.Itsmejudith 17:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC) [edit]

=Is Reddy a caste?=

=Explanation=

DEAR FELLOW REDDYS DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANY DISJOINTEDNESS IN OUR REDDY ARTICLE. Another caste is constantly vandalizing our page and wants to eliminate the existence of our caste so that we are no a longer caste but a mere title. This is what was done to the Patel's article. I have given direct citations on the article itself, including page numbers, so no one can challenge it unless they resort to pure vandalism. I am a Reddy and I think this is ridiculous. This is malicious attempt by other castes(and I think I no which caste it is) to put down Reddys. Please reveal your caste identity before saying there is no Reddy caste so I no whom to hate for the rest of my life. My God what world are you living in. I think Kammas and Vokkaligas will be shocked to find out that they are Reddys. It is an insult to Kammas, Vokkaligas and Reddys to say we are all the same. Whenever my family or friends get arranged marriage it is with other Reddys not with Vokkaligas, kammas,Balijas etc.. There is a group of people who think that Reddy is their caste and therfore it is part of their identity. Why would you people want to destroy that. Go to any marriage bureau or website and then tell me there is no Reddy caste. Ever'Reddy' is not a caste. All the people who have the title 'Reddy' belong to Kapu caste. Government records of old '''Madras Presidency attest to this fact. Reddy title is used by many other castes, although sparingly nowadays, by Telaga, Vokkaliga (Karnataka) etc. '''

-- You have a big misconception like few others, and you are misinterpreting facts to justify this. Only *some* percentage of the people who have the title Reddy belong to the Kapu caste. How can others who are Motati or Deshmukh Reddy's possibly belong to the Kapu caste? These are disjoint sub-castes. Needless to say, the true Reddy caste is being affected by people of other castes who are generally assuming the Reddy title: so much so that people refer to Reddy as a title. Thanks to a person's initial or family/village name that's often used to ascertain for sure who is a true Reddy and those that just have them as a title. - Read from Page 306 http://books.google.com/books?id=lYSd-3yL9h0C&pg=PA244&dq=kapu+caste&lr=&sig=2mvLWdEVvJYo-3qaYXuuaHAhXno#PPA306,M1 'Kapu subcastes - Panch Reddi (Motati, Godati, Pakanati, Ghittapu, Gone subdivisions), Penta (I guess Panta), Velama etc - they interdine, but do not intermarry. That explains that over a period of time, other Kapu divisions than, Velama - integrated into Reddy caste. Anyway this manual refers to Nizam area. Its little complicated in Coastal area. Reddy Kings belong to Panta Kapu (Reddy) branch. Yogi Vemana is one among them. I never heard any relation between, current day Kapus and Panta Kapus (Reddies).' In my opinion, in history, whenever, Kapu name mentioned, it points to current day Reddy people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.225.250.1 (talk) 19:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Till recently, Reddys were categorized under Kapu social group. In fact, all agrarian communities of Andhra viz., Velama, Kapu, Telaga etc belong to the same roots but got diversified due to social and political factors during medieval times.Kumarrao (talk) 05:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

The Kapu-Reddy thing is quite confusing.

The term Kapu is very old it dates to Pre-Satavahana Period(B.C.) to the earlier migration of people from the North.

The Kapu(Telega,Munnuru Kapu,Balija...)/Naidu caste seems to have originated during the period of Satavahanas.

Reddy was primarily a title given to village headmen in ancient times.Just like the title Nayaka/Naidu in those days.

Reddy seems to have originated from the Rashtrakuta DynasityKindom). They ruled Andhra for a few hunderd years.

True The Reddys share some affiliation with the Kapu community. The Munnuru Kapu's of Telangana sometimes have the title Reddy.

Some Kapu surnames have the title Reddy attached to it... And there are some common surnames which both Reddy and Kapu communities share.

'''The Reddys of Nellore and Cuddapah sometimes call themselves Kapu because in the old days these Reddys were also called Panta Kapu,Pranta Kapu,Motati Kapu. Now they are called Panta Reddy,Pranta Reddy,Motati Reddy.'''

=Examples= could be Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy he mentioned his caste as Kapu in certificates but called himself Reddy,Rao Bahudur Kurma Venkata Reddy Naidu in 1940-41 Chief Minister of Madras Presidency In office April 1, 1937 – July 14, 1937, and ofcource Neelam Surname is found in Kapu/Naidu community as well. The great poet Yogi Vemana Reddy he has the title Reddy but he was a Kapu..... There is some evidence the Reddys and Kapu communities were one group in the old days which got split up and evolved as separate castes as we see them today Occupation

=Background= * The Kapu community served during the medieval ages as warriors or protectors of villages and regions from bandits or invading forces. * During times of peace, warriors who stayed close to villages served as village heads or practiced agriculture. * During times of war, they served as soldiers, governors (i.e. Nayaks) and commanders in armies of many south Indian dynasties. * The modern day Kapu community is predominantly agrarian, but some have diversified into business, industry, films, academia, and IT.

Some Kapu names are associated with occupations practiced during the medieval period:

* village and area defence committees (Vuuru Kapu, Pranta Kapu) * administration (Chinna Kapu,Pedda Kapu/Reddy) * responsible for protecting farms and livestock from bandits (Panta Kapu).

=what is kapu and reddy?= Agricultural laborers refer to landlords as Kapu. Landlords and farmers who served as village heads are also given the title "Pedda Kapu" or "Reddy". This is why the title Reddy is found not only in the separate Reddy caste but also among the Kapu / Balija / Telaga / Munnuru Kapu castes. It is a title used in many castes by members who are landowners. Another point of confusion is that the Reddy community refers to themselves as Kapus in Rayalaseema and Telangana. Here the Kapu community is referred to as Balija / Balija Naidu.