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Proposed deletion of Ivan Antonov (Professional Gamer)


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October 2011
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Proposed deletion of Benedict Lim


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Speedy deletion nomination of Wu Sheng


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Speedy deletion nomination of Ivan Shinkarev


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Nomination of Bu Yanjun for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bu Yanjun is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Bu Yanjun until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. &mdash; Joseph Fox 12:44, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with Bu Yanjun. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. Crusio (talk) 13:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Sources for articles
Hi, in order to establish that a person is notable, these criteria need to be fulfilled. To verify that the person is notable, you need reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Hope this helps. --Crusio (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Ivan Antonov (Professional Gamer) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ivan Antonov (Professional Gamer) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Nomination of Wu Sheng for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Wu Sheng is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Nomination of Benedict Lim for deletion
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Nomination of Jacob Toft-Andersen for deletion
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Nomination of Ivan Shinkarev for deletion
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Nomination of Zou Yitian for deletion
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Jacob Toft-Andersen
I just thought I'd let you know that I saw your article Jacob Toft-Andersen in the New Articles list-- This image is real great.However, I think the article seems to contain a few errors: the references in the article do not follow Wikipedia guidelines. There is a tutorial on formatting citations at Referencing. It would be great if you could also improve the related article DOTA. Jipinghe (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
I will once again and directly on your talk page ask you this. Do you have any connection to any of these players or organizations outside of Wikipedia that may be considered a conflict of interest? Ridernyc (talk) 01:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I've wondered this as well. Sergecross73  msg me   01:53, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * he responded on my talk page. He has no conflict, he is however discussing and inviting user from a message board here to swing the debate. [ http://gosugamers.net/dota/thread/847192/start/51] I see no evidence of meatpupetry yet, but he put the invitation out there. Ridernyc (talk) 02:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The International
Hi, I saw that you created a sub-section for Valve's Gamescom tournament and as admirable as your intentions were, it was interfering with the integrity of the page, because the text used wasn't even centered around The International; it simply mentioned that it was a stepping stone for development and there was also text for Valve's new development plans. Further mentions of The International may be mentioned later on, but not until the game has been released, in which it would be classified as the "annual Dota 2 championship", under "Reception and Legacy", just like its predecessor article, Defense of the Ancients.

I do understand that you had the best intentions, but please, step back for a while and learn the ropes of Wikipedia before making such an edit. We already have it covered in the article and according to the peer review, it has progressed as far as it can go for now. D arth B otto talk•cont 04:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably not. It may be okay to mention it on the page for Gamescom, under the 2010 section, but it would likely encounter the same degree of scrutiny that your other pages have been met with. Again, I'd figure that it would be good to have it predominantly mentioned in the future, when the competitive scene takes off, but until then, we should probably stay the course. D arth B otto talk•cont 01:48, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I would recommend that any future projects be discussed at the video games project. And notice I say discuss not just argue with them endlessly if you don't like what they tell you. Also please reply here, keep conversations on one page.Ridernyc (talk) 01:59, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Do you really think i am arguing endlessly instead of discussing the feasibility of those projects i mentioned? I have made a strong claim here. On The International, i think with these sources provided by another user, ology.com, VG247, VG247, VG247, GameRevolution.com, Joystiq, ShackNews, Kotaku, GamesRadar, PCGamer, GamePro, GameFront, is it sufficiently notable? Redefining history (talk) 02:12, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes and to prove the point how many times are you going to post that same set of sources and have it explained to you why they do not establish notability? You argue endlessly and if you don;t get your way you go to another page and make the same statements there, then off to another page, then back to the first page... Ridernyc (talk) 02:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Take a look at these sources, they ARE independent and disinterested sources about the competition itself, what else does it need? Redefining history (talk) 02:21, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So you are going to prove you don't argue endlessly by now arguing endlessly here on your talk page yet another place. not getting into it here with you you can take advice or you can totally ignore it. Your current attitude and tact will get you nowhere.  I'll say it again I recommend you bring all your projects to the video games project page and listen to them and take their advice. Ridernyc (talk) 02:28, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Professional DotA Players
Category:Professional DotA Players, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Ridernyc (talk) 04:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation


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Your submission at Articles for creation
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File:The international.png listed for deletion
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 * Good luck at entering in another argument with me :D Redefining history (talk) 10:04, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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Your recent edits
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Canvassing and Forum Shopping
To make this clear. If you start a conversation on anymore talk pages about the same issue I will go to WP:ANI. You are clearly canvassing and arguing an ideology at this point. You have shown no good faith in other editors constantly making accusations about them. Your behavior is beyond disruptive to the project at this point. I will ask the Administrators for a topic ban which means you will not be able to take part in any video game or gamer related articles. Please stop your disruptive behavior. Ridernyc (talk) 13:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll sit back for awhile first and give time for other readers to answer my question. Redefining history (talk) 14:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been considering going to ANI also, and will make sure to voice my concerns if it comes to that. I think a topic restriction encompassing all of gamign would be unessecary, restricting to professional gaming, eSports, competitions and the games in these competitions would be sufficient. I also find the lack of good faith in trying to reach standard consensus to be a concern.  The "shopping" and multiple discussions in various places about a single topic greatly worries me.  On the other hand, I have no doubt the editor is, from a content creation standpoint, a great asset to Wikipedia. As I've told you before, RedefiningHistory, I strongly wish you would put your skills to good use instead of continuing to argue and stockpiling discussion and content creation about the same thing (only to be deleted by evident consenses).  You hoping you can move on and start contributing constructively. :) Salvidrim (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Was it yesterday or two days ago that you promised me on IRC that you would disengage from forum shopping? Oh wait. That was yesterday on Reliable sources/Noticeboard: "Sorry for that. I'll go to sleep first. Won't canvass anyone of you in chats, wont go aggressive again. I never knew what is the criteria for canvassing." And yeah. I can't quite figure out how to say this, but on IRC, I thought it was made abundantly clear to you: If you went to another Wikipedia page to ask about sources, you would be before WP:AN/I. Why did you continue to do this type editing when you have been told by multiple that this was not appropriate? --LauraHale (talk) 07:45, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

AN/I
Your behavior is now being discussed at AN/I Ridernyc (talk) 07:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything? can update me about it? Redefining history (talk) 04:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * AN/I Salvidrim (talk) 04:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL okay.. whats the conclusion? I am interested in football too, i think i can help there. Redefining history (talk) 04:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Dota 2 Heroes


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