User talk:Redfarmer/Archives/2008/January

Juan Pablo Gnecco
Hello Redfarmer! I saw your tag on my newly created page for Juan Pablo Gnecco and made some edits. Could you take a look now and let me know if it is acceptable?

Thanks so much!

Alaina —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gs03abr (talk • contribs) 17:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The BMHS Drama Department
Hello!

I Created this article and I saw that you commented on it. I was wondering why was it deleted. (I'm not fussing or anything...)I feel that the article would not be advertising and it would be nutral. The school's drama department has achived alot and many of the community members wanted to learn about the history of the department. If there is anything that you feel that i sould do to have the page not deleated when it is made, please inform me!--Dondemio (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello, It's me again!

Thanks for the information. When I looked at the guidelines for notabliity, I think that the article on the Drama Department would fit it. So should i write the article outside of wikipedia then post it in the sandbox to see if it would be a good fit? I think that the department has achieved alot in the last few years and is worthy of a article on this wonderful site. --Dondemio (talk) 20:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pilot (CSI). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. JERRY talk contribs 03:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Mr.Stain
Thank you for your review, I have implemented most of the sugestions you gave and hope that you can take another look at the article. It has changed from its previous version, that you reviewed.

thank you, Binarymoron (talk) 06:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of User talk:AamirAnsari
A tag has been placed on User talk:AamirAnsari, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on |the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Redfarmer (talk) 19:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic and religious slurs
Sorry, I had intended to create (rename, actually) a category not an article. The category would not qualify for speedy deletion although such an article might. I am moving the appropriate text to the new category name. I don't have any objection, at this time, to the inadvertantly created article being deleted. It does seem that it could be an appropriate notable article, if someone else intends to create it. It wasn't my intention to do so. Mamalujo (talk) 20:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

===Poem == I intend to fix this you know - copyright thing.

LOTRrules (talk) 21:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Elegy For a Stillborn Child

==Deletion regarding "Me and Orson Welles (film)" == This article (Me and Orson Welles (film)) is fully accurate, as the author of the novel was my AP English teacher last year and I just spoke with him January 3rd regarding the matter, among other things. (Tenniskh89 (talk) 01:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC))

Speedy of Cemusa
Err... no offense, but did you even read the article before you tagged it for a speedy deletion? The timestamp shows the tag being placed the same minute the article was created! As I wrote, the company has contracts for advertising in many major Metropolitan areas and supplies prominent bus shelters, kiosks and public toilets on many street corners worldwide. It has been the subject of various articles from secondary, reliable sources, including the New York Times (which I have cited), which makes notable as per WP:CORP. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see how the article asserts that it's notable because it expanded into North America. It would include more information about its operations overseas if there was substantial information about its business elsewhere. If that's the grievance, then the article should be tagged with or . At worst, you could stick an  tag on it. There should be little doubt about its notability - it clearly meets the primary requirements of WP:CORP, with no less than three New York Times articles written about it. It certainly shouldn't be a candidate for speedy deletion. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

L'aeiou a.k.a. The Vowels
Hi, sorry for being a pain at L'aeiou a.k.a. The Vowels. It's just that I believe CSD should be applied strictly, which means that any claim for notability shuts out A7. (I would probably have prodded it...) -- Pepve (talk) 03:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

New reply at my talk. (Summary: thanks, we're good.) -- Pepve (talk) 03:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== User:Chaluladepaco

Speedy William Todd Mason
I see you tagged this earlier today and someone just booted the tag without explanation. I've retagged it - we'll see what happens ... --AndrewHowse (talk) 01:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Wabash Commentary
You helped delete the Wabash Commentary wiki page and now it's back again with the same controversial, biased comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.32.27.5 (talk) 06:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Just FYI:
I just undid some vandalism that Chaluladepaco committed on the page Rockwall, Texas. I believe that the new pages that he's created (one of which you have tagged for speedy deletion) is just more vandalism. Mh29255 (talk) 03:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

About FredChristians The Show
Just FYI: This page was just recreated after being speedily deleted about an hour ago. Mh29255 (talk) 03:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

About Deleting Ted destinations
I added it to replace Ted Destinations (note the capital D in Destinations). Please reduce redundancy as quickly as possible. Thanks!

Plane nerd (talk) 00:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleting Destinations Articles
Sorry if I did something excessive. I was trying to Wikify it by making it comperable to other airlines' destination lists. I don't see why this one should be considered different than something like United Airlines destinations or United Express destinations.

Plane nerd (talk) 00:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

An alternate home for non-notable biographies?
Hi Redfarmer, as a relative newcomer to Wikipedia, I've been lurking in the AfD area for a little while, and I see that you're quite active in it. As an experienced Wikipedian, I wanted to solicit your advice on a topic that I've become quite fascinated with lately, namely the deletion of non-notable biographies. I understand why, for legal and aesthetic reasons, the Wikipedia community is so vehement about deleting non-notable people; but at the same time I can also understand why non-famous people might want to have a Wikipedia type page for themselves. This led me to wonder if there might not be a way to meet that demand. A possible solution might be to move such bios to a different wiki set up expressly for that purpose. The Island of Lost and Unloved BLP Articles, as it were. To cut to the chase, I set up just such a wiki and put myself and some friends on it, as a kind of test. I also recently moved over a bio that you nominated for deletion, Larry Cutrone, to demonstrated what I'm talking about. If you'd like to see it, you can go to:

http://wikipopuli.com/wiki/index.php?title=Larry_Cutrone

Long story short, do you think this is a good idea? A terrible idea? An idea about which you have no feelings at all one way or the other? I'd be very curious to know. Thanks very much. TheYellowCabin (talk) 04:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Redfarmer, thanks very much for your input. I hadn't heard of the Seigenthaler case, and it certainly is a cautionary tale. A potential defense against this kind of problem might be to urge users to set up their accounts so that they'll be notified in the event of any edit. Of course with any wiki, the million-dollar question is how the thing is going to work in practice -- will the useful contributions of the helpful majority outweigh the spam and vandalism of the few? Will people embrace it or ignore it? I feel that there is a perceived need for such a thing, as evidenced by the fact that non-notable biographies keep getting put up on Wikipedia and then having to be taken down. So I thought I might just proceed, and see if the site blows up in my face or evolves into something useful. In the near term, I thought I'd transwiki articles from Wikipedia: Deletion today and see how people respond to this (or not). I only just started this yesterday but have done it with Articles_for_deletion/Stephen_H._Webb and Articles_for_deletion/James_Patrick_Dunne. So if you see this sort of tag from me and feel like I should be doing it differently, or have any other suggestions, please let me know. Thanks again for your help. TheYellowCabin (talk) 15:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Fox in the infobox
There's a discussion going on at User_talk:DJS24 on weather Jorja Fox should be in the CSI main article's infobox. Since you've been involved on the article maybe you could comment.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 13:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this. He wants to have the current cast on the infobox but Irish doesn't. Irish is also the want that wants Fox on CSI's infobox ( see this discussion), that's why i dropped you a note.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 14:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Why comment? It's not about CSI.  The vandalism was 10 or so reverts and re-reverts and going round and round on the Las Vegas page in a period of 15 minutes.  And I'm just about sick to death of false accusations against me. IrishLass (talk) 14:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh man, too bad you are not on IRC i totally had something i wanted to tell you but i can't on a talk page. Anyway, i didn't even care about the infobox but now the problem is solved since he says he won't fight for the CSI article anymore. I'm sure some ip will remove Fox from the infobox anytime now.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 14:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * SHE. LASS means she. IrishLass (talk) 14:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Nah, just me. Freenode #wikipedia--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 14:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Misunderstanding
Redfarmer, nothing that was said by me addressed you or your comments and I apologize that you got caught up in a discussion that was so far spread out over too many pages that things were said to one person, never you, and you mistook what happened. I'm sorry you got caught in the storm. IrishLass (talk) 16:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

What's wrong with 1958 in fringe and pseudoscience
Well, why do you feel it should be deleted? Abyssal leviathin (talk) 18:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

BOC The Book of Contradictions
I'm not one to ask people not to template the regulars, but I should point out that you have, for some reason, templated me about a speedy-deleted article that I did not contribute to, merely PRODed. Dethme0w (talk) 21:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. This is actually the first time I've seen Twinkle malfunction this way (it shouldn't be creating articles?).  I'd like to suggest that the rationales given for speedy deletion only questionably apply, that is why I PRODed it.  Should it be recreated again, redirecting it to Internal consistency of the Bible might be a better way to end the cycle. Dethme0w (talk) 21:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits
Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 22:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I picked up on that over the years. Thank you for informing me, Sinebot! Redfarmer (talk)

00:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Las Vegas Infobox Dispute
There has been a discussion opened on the Las Vegas TV Series site on infoboxes. I would like for you to leave some comments. In regards DJS24 --DJS24 (talk) 02:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Jadey Wadey
Say what? No permanent block...and an admin is being run up the flagpole for an indef ban? Lord have mercy, am I glad I don't administer anymore. I swear, this site drives me out of my freaking mind. I managed to stay clear for eighteen out of twenty-seven months and now I know why. At least the little creep is gone for now. Take care and try and have some fun. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 09:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Tommy, the Unsentimental
What? Are you sure I put in the wrong text? It's a totally different story. Please stop the redirect and I'll put in the notes for the story again. I may have made a mistake, but that would be odd. Where's the history gone?Zigzig20s (talk) 11:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not. A Night at Greenway Court and Tommy, the Unsentimental...NOT the same story AT ALL!Zigzig20s (talk) 11:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. I copied and pasted some parts to save time and forgot to change the title there. Problem solved, thank u.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stan V. Smith, Ph.D
Boy, talk about fast -- you beat me to closing the AfD by just a couple of seconds! :) Keep up the good work. --Fabrictramp (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Last of the Summer Wine
I have placed the GA nomination of the article on hold, please see the talkpage for details. Thanks FamicomJL (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Minor characters in CSI: NY
Another editor has added the "prod" template to the article Minor characters in CSI: NY, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also What Wikipedia is not and Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the prod template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 14:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

GA review of Degrassi: The Next Generation
Hi. I see you recently reviewed the article Degrassi: The Next Generation. While I didn't put the article up for a review, I was the one who wrote the majority of the article as it is today. I'm going through your suggestions you left on the talk page, and was hoping you could clarify/help on some of the points you left.
 * The itallicising/non-itallicising of the word "Degrassi": The folks over at Wikiproject Star Trek decided not to itallicise "Star Trek" when referring to the franchise, and only itallicise the series within the franchise, which is why I followed that way of thinking. You pointed me to WP:MOSTITLE, but that has no mention of what to do with a media franchise. Is there anywhere else where this is clarified at all?
 * You said you didn't like the way the information regarding the main cast was presented, and perhaps better in a box, however, ensemble show Lost, which is a FA, presents its character section in a similar fashion. So I'm not so sure what the best thing to do about this is, especially as this is just a preferencial thing. To be honest, I'm not fussed either way, as long as it's presented in the best possible way. Is there a box on another article you've seen which I could use as a reference point?
 * You also suggested a table for first-run broadcast information.. Again, is there a table you've seen which would work for this, too?
 * Regarding the section about syndication, you wrote "The 'Syndicated repeats in the United States' section is confusing... This section needs a major rewrite. I don't see that the article would need to list the times episodes air on each station. Perhaps just state which stations air episodes and simply that they don't all air at the same time. Thinking about it, I'm not even convinced you actually need the names of the stations that air it in there at all." Again, I'm not sure then, what information would be best left in. Obviously a table of each broadcaster would be rediculously long and unwanted, so would it be better just to end it after the first paragraph and include it somehow into the "First run" information, and change the name of that section?
 * Finally, you said "There's not much here about how the actors were originally cast. Yes, they used child actors, but how did they pick who they picked?" If this information is simply not readily available, what can I do to address this?

Thanks, -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 03:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Morgan White
Red,

Thanks for the encouragement! I'm sure Morgan's family would be glad to hear of any "well-wishers" at this point of her development. In regards to her article, I was asked to spearhead getting her added to the wikipedia database and I have to admit that I'm new the all the proper doctrines. I would ask that you reconsider you deletion recommendation based on the following: (1)because of my inexperience, I am late adding the additional documentation that supports her notoriety status. (2) while she has not recieved world-wide notoriety outside the tennis community like another prodigy named Jan Silva, she is just as widely regarded in the tennis community because of her talent (e.g. playing style:left-handed, stats: 60 mph serve, size: almost 5 feet tall and 70 lbs at 6 years of age, and documented wins over ranked players in 10 and under divisions). (3) The Atlanta market had the largest organized tennis association (ALTA) in the country and there are numberous players that could have been covered by 11Alive. Her story ran for a record 15 weeks and was widely celebrated through the city. All of this legitimized her as a top prospect. The USTA is preparing a comment regarding her status that will endorse her, but politically will not take away from any of thier other prospects.

It is taking me some time to get all of this on the site and quite frankly, I don't know how much to put out there because Jan Silva's page had so little. That being said, I asking if you would give me some recommendations on what I can say to justify her article being legitmized. I've seen several of your entries so I respect your jugement and I really believe this young lady who is a straight A student, from a financially challenged background, and a family that left everything they know because of their belief in her talent. Her story sound alarming like couple of other African American players who are now famous. I look forward to hearing your input.Mildred wall (talk) 15:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

CSI:NY Articles
No worries, to be honest I was worried about toe-stepping and avoiding an edit war but it seems that you and I, as well as Yama..... all have the same goals in mind. We want good, clean articles. I can understand your frustration about not wanting to do it yourself, I've felt the same on the Japan project where there are a lot of poeple saying they want to help but, when push comes to shove, few people doing anything. I think if we divide and conquer, we could get some very good articles. I don't know about them being the caliber of Gil Grissom because there doesn't seem to be that much out there re: NY characters, but I think we can improve and have some fun. I'm sorry if I came on too strong. And related to nothing, your program of study sounds fascinating! Travellingcari (talk) 19:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Surf Knight
Hi, I noticed that you placed "To be deleted" tag on the Surf Knight article. I believe the article serves an education purpose. Similar articles do exist on wikipedia such as Flock (web browser), and Firefox. I am willing to make neccessary changes, if needed.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MetinKandiyoti (talk • contribs) 23:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

CFDs/AFDs
Hi Redfarmer,

I noticed that you have your eye on both CFD & AFD list discussions, and much appreciated you bringing CFD issues to the attention of the recent List of actors who died in their 20s discussion. This issue has been a concern for a while, and I was thinking about starting some sort of a cross-reference list for AFDs that say "category" and CFDs that say "listify", so we could maintain some harmony. What do you think about that? --Lquilter (talk) 15:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I posted proposal on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting and WT:AFD and WT:CFD. --Lquilter (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Matthew jamieson
How the heck did I miss *that*? 2012, really? I'd still almost wonder if it's vandalism over nonsense, but at this point either way, it's just garbage. The point is that it be removed, regardless of which CSD it falls under. Nonetheless, I've reverted my edit and restored the nonsense tag.DJBullfish (talk) 18:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And it *has* been removed, so all's well. Thanks for the heads up on that, though.DJBullfish (talk) 18:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Actors who died in their...
Hello,

I noticed that someone recreated the Actors Who Dies in Their 20s category, which had been deleted some time ago. Then I noticed that you made an addition saying the category was up for deletion again. Just out of curiosity, why was this category deleted in the first place, and why do you want it deleted again?

I did not create the category, I was just amazed to see it was back, and feel it should be kept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.185.189 (talk) 08:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. You stated "[t]he only thing [Phoenix, Brandis, and Tate] have in common is that they're all dead and they died in their 20s, which is an arbitrary factor to categorize them by." Don't forget, they were also all ACTORS, and it's a bit POV to call it a "arbitrary factory." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.185.189 (talk) 01:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The list allows one to easily see other actors who died in their 20s, and allows him or her to then access articles of people for whom they may otherwise not have searched. If someone didn't know who Sharon Tate was, but came across her name on this list, he could then click on it, out of curiosity, and learn all about Tate, the Manson family, Polanski, etc. Death and Actors are both quite facinating subjects for countless people, and I feel this list will be viewed more than, let's say, Category:Fictional philologists. The purpose of category pages is to not only link related subjects, but to be viewed itself to learn of links pertinent to the topic at hand. 24.149.185.189 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Table for D:TNG scheduling
Hi. Further to your suggestion, I've created a table in my sandbox showing D:TNG's first-run scheduling information on CTV and The N. Please could you take a look at it, and see if this is the sort of thing you meant. It isn't finished yet - I still need to add references and narrow down timeslots for CTV. Thanks -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 07:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Michelle Leonard
Hi. You recently nominated Michelle Leonard for deletion, suggesting it was a hoax. This was not a hoax and the page has been considerably re-written since, so I thought you might want to re-consider your position in the deletion discussion. Bondegezou (talk) 18:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

5 clicks
Malinaccier deleted it while I was explaining on the AfD why it wasn't speediable. User_talk:Swatjester/archive8 suggests it was a repost though. Oh, well. Dloh  cierekim  00:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought the deletion would be a slam dunk too. Who knew? Maybe one day we'll all be playing it. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  00:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Relisting AfDs
If you relist an AfD, you need both to enter it in the current log and remove it form the previous one. Otherwise it will still show up in the list of overdue AfDs at Articles for deletion/Old. Personally, I'd also restrict relisting mostly to those discussions that really had little participation. If the debate is rather fuzzy or seems inconclusive it will usually anyways be left alone for another day or two until some late participants show-up or an admin willing to make a call. If they're not confident for a decision, they can still relist. --Tikiwont (talk) 12:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Futbolo legionas
I see that this article was speedy deleted for being spam. I removed the tag because it does not look like spam to me. This article was listed on Pages needing translation so that someone could look at it before taking drastic action such as speedy delete. Can you please restore the article so that swe can have it carefully reviewed by someone who knows Lithuanian? Thanks. Cbdorsett (talk) 13:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I took a closer look at it - it does look like a commercial listing for a college. Cbdorsett (talk) 13:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

AFD/CFD boomerang
Hi Redfarmer -- I made a listified template that we can apply to articles created when categories are deleted as a result of CFD; that could help some of the boomerang. I'll post around at the pages of some other folks I've noticed making similar observations over the next few days. --Lquilter (talk) 15:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Global Community One World Unity Army
Oops. Thanks for the fix. --Onorem♠Dil 17:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

CSI NY (redux)
Just stopping back to let you know that I haven't forgotten about the CSI:NY characters mini-project I assigned myself. I'm going to see what the outcome of the Peyton Driscoll AfD is to use that as a somewhat guideline for the smaller characters i.e. Shane Casey to see if we can work from that to some sort of consensus. I've been reading up on sources for both Mac and Stella and I'm wondering if you think there's enough information to even come close to Gil Grissom. I think there was a lot more written about his character since CSI:Vegas was the first and he was the first lead that by the time we came to the 2nd spinoff, coverage was far less. Have you found that to be the case? Travellingcari (talk) 18:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm in the same boat with being involved on other things, namely trains and Prague -- I'm awful at linking wiki projects and it will take me 5 edits to get it right so I won't bother. I see what you're doing with the minor Miami characters and I agree. I can't help too much in that vein because I'm not too familiar with Miami or Vegas but I'll definitely help with NY. I'm about to send Shane Casey to the moon since there's virtually no coverage of him and while he was an interesting guest star, he was still a guest star. Another main character for whom there is sadly little coverage is Sid. Travellingcari (talk) 15:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I know, he's such a fun character. So much potential, but for some reason, few people care. This review will always make me laugh. His article has potential, even if wrapped in with the cast or the actor's page it's just that it's not enough to warrant its own world. I'm actually working on a larger scope page where there could be substantial character information. I want to build on [User_talk:Travellingcari/Sandbox | what I started] and make it useful. It helps that we all have essentially the same goal. I did jettison Shane Casey earlier, however, I don't think there's anything salvageable (sp?) Travellingcari (talk) 21:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: your assertion
You falsely claimed here and here that I supposedly created the article Five Clicks To Jesus, which I've never heard about, much less "created" or touched. My list of created articles should certainly prove the contributions I have made to the project, so I am perplexed to why you would make such an incorrect claim. ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 02:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I see hes bugging you about it too, I received an identical message on my own talk page, seems a bit futile to argue a point like when the pages history clearly stated it was him :S. I've advised him twice to contact an admin to have the page history checked but he seems to prefer talking about a list of articles he wrote. &#9775;Ferdia O'Brien (T) / (C) 12:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The article was created by Joeblow13. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to argue about this one with you because I'm not an admin and I can't check deleted contribs to tell you exactly why you received the notice. However, as I tried to explain to you before, the notices were generated using a an automatic script that searches for the original contributor. If you wish to know why you received such a message, I suggest you ask an admin to check the page history for you. If not, I suggest you simply let it drop. Redfarmer (talk) 08:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC) The preceding was originally posted here, and was subsequently moved to this page in order to avoid confusion and keep the conversation all in one place.


 * I never received a message, but was asked to look into it as you were being belligerent toward editors who had nothing to do with the article despite what Twinkle was telling you. Again: Twinkle is wrong in this case. I am an admin and have checked the article history, and neither of the editors you are dealing with have (or had) anything to do with the article. That's why I posted the information about who created the article. Strike that. See below for an explanation of the confusion. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * On a related note, another article (Five clicks to jesus—note the different capitalization) was created by Cherryontop59, deleted, recreated by PhoenixFire296, deleted, and recreated by Edanomel. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For one thing, I've not been beligerent to anyone involved in this case and I am offended that you claim I have been. In fact, when the original person contacted me, I simply suggested they might want to make sure their account was secure just in case. To quote my message to them from their talk page:

"If you did not create it you may want to check that your account has not been compromised. The warnings were generated with an automatic script which automatically searches for the person who created the article. As the article was speedily deleted, it will not show up on your contributions now but only on an admin's list of deleted contributions. Cheers! Redfarmer (talk) 08:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)"


 * This has been my sole contact with the user. I have not talked to them at all and was not even aware they posted a response until I went to their talk page to retrieve the quote for you.


 * Second, I do not read Japanese so I was unaware until you pointed it out that the Japanese symbols were different. My apologies for this mistake.


 * Third, as evidence by the above comment left by another editor, my script was apparently not the only one which left a message for the user regarding the page. An AfD discussion was started before it was speedily deleted and the notice was also posted to this user's talk page. If anyone was rude, it was this user, who messaged both of us telling us we were "accusing" them of things. I was nice and assumed good faith. I cannot speak for the other user.


 * Fourth, I do not understand why you are making a huge deal out of a script posting a warning message. If it's a mistaken Twinkle issue, so be it. We can post the issue to the Twinkle project page and be done with it. Are you trying to make a WP:POINT here though? You seem to be making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Redfarmer (talk) 01:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The final word
Okay, due to all kinds of capitalization, there have been at least four different articles here (pay close attention to the capitalization): Hopefully that should clear up all the confusion. Gotta love those capitalization issues, eh? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Five Clicks to Jesus, created by Joeblow13, deleted, recreated by Rhinojoe13, and subsequently deleted.
 * Five clicks to jesus, created by Cherryontop59, deleted, recreated by PhoenixFire296, deleted, and recreated by Edanomel, and subsequently deleted.
 * Five clicks to Jesus, created by Tremewanbill and subsequently deleted.
 * Five Clicks To Jesus, created by Smailer07 when he moved Arctic Monkeys to Five Clicks To Jesus in an act of vandalism. Ganryuu reverted the vandalism by moving it back, and the system somehow listed him as the creator of this article because of that. This article was also nominated for deletion.


 * See also this DRV discussion. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, I was reading this conversation when you're message came in, I have to admit I'm with Redfarmer on this one, mountains and molehills gents, scripts or not we didn't accuse anyone of anything, we simply informed an editor of the possible AfD and CsD of an article. Having said that, I'm gonna thank Nihonjoe for his assistance, if nothing else it will get Ganryuu off our backs, but I repeat, mountains and molehills gents. &#9775;Ferdia O'Brien (T) / (C) 01:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, regardless, this explains why they were confused about it, with at least four articles with almost identical titles. Ganryuu is correct in that he didn't actually create any of the articles, though Redfarmer (and his Twinkle) is correct in that the system made it appear as though Ganryuu did create the article. I don't think mountains or molehills had anything to do with this. It was just confusion all around, and it took some digging to sort out the tangled mess. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, exactly, however I would just like to inform Ferdia O'Brien I did not press this issue further after Nihonjoe had helped address it. There were suggestions that my account was compromised, and Ferdia's assertion here really did not help matters. That being said, scripts such as Twinkle mandates for "full responsibility" to be taken in whatever action it is used for, so I'd like to request editors who use this particular script to be cautious while doing so. ··· 巌流 ? · talk to ganryuu 02:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)