User talk:Redfarmer/Archives/2009/August

Last of the Summer Wine
I note your recent edit to main "Last of the Summer Wine" article where you return date of transmission of Series #9 to 1986 as opposed to 1987.

This is, of course, an old discussion and I was always prepared to go along with your opinion that it was originally transmitted in 1986 (though some references do say 1987).

However, on one of the Message Boards on which I participate (UKTV Alibi Last of the Summer Wine, now over 1100 postings) someone asserted to having copies of Radio Times from 1987 which contained the original transmissions of Series#9. Then someone provided a link to You Tube video of BBC broadcast of "Merry Christmas, Father Christmas", Christmas 1986 and over closing credits it stated new series starting with "Why Does Norman Clegg Buy Ladies' Elastic Stockings?" would start on 4th January in the New Year which would be 1987.

Another minor point is that dates for the episodes would all be Sundays in 1987 but certainly not in 1986.

So, my opinion has now come down on the side of 1987.Frankmoyes (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I posted detail of our 1986 or 1987 discussion on the Message Board I already mentioned: http://uktv.co.uk/alibi/thread/threadID/24756#268110 (UKTV Alibi, Last Of the Summer Wine). I got a response from my earlier contact on that thread, RobertW99846. First he posted the following:

"Hello, I'm the one with the old copies of Radio Times. I have all the copies covering the broadcast of Series 9 in January-March 1987, and two editions from January 1986.

The edition dated 3-9 January 1987 flags up the first broadcast of 'Why Does Norman Clegg Wear Ladies' Elastic Stockings?' on 4th January 1987 as a 'new series'. There were no episodes of LOTSW listed on Saturday evenings, or any other day of the week, in the two copies of Radio Times I have from in January 1986.

Anyone who claims series 9 debuted in 1986 is clearly going by the incorrect information printed in 'Last of the Summer Wine - The Finest Vintage'. Even books aren't infallible! There is a new book due out this autumn which will hopefully put an end to this confusion.

I would gladly provide scans of the relevant pages of Radio Times for irrefutable proof, but I'm not sure if it's allowed to post links on this messageboard?"

Then he continued with:

"Okay, looks like I can post links.

Here's a scan of the Radio Times listings for 04/01/87:

And to prove there was no LOTSW on Saturdays in 1986, here's a scan of the date which the book claims was the first broadcast of 'The Really Masculine Purse' - 25/01/86:

Now if they don't constitute irrefutable proof for your Wikipedia correspondent, I don't know what will!"

I do hope that you can access the information I have provided here, particularly the scans of the relevant copies of Radio Times. Frankmoyes (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Do not agree with you that year is not identified on scans. Both show DAY with date. SUNDAY 4th January can only be 1981, 1987 or 1998 and surely 1981 and 1998 can be ruled out. SATURDAY 25th January can only be 1975, 1986 or 1992. I cannot see relevance of the two Specials. There is no question over their dates.Frankmoyes (talk) 17:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)