User talk:Redrose64

Bradshaw Railway Timetables.
I corrected some spelling errors for Liverpool places, "Childwell" etc. in the Wikisource Bradshaw. I was surprised to see that the main Wiki page for Bradshaw, didn't seem to have a link to there. I've put in a link to s:Page:Bradshaw's_Railway_Timetables_(No3.)_1839.djvu/1 If this is not correct, maybe you can tidy it up. Thank you. 78.145.202.10 (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you're asking me. I have done almost nothing at Wikisource, save for this edit and creating my user page. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You did an edit to Bradshaw's Guide about a month ago, and others previous ; So I assumed you had a special interest in that page. Surely the Wiki Bradshaw page, and the Wikisource Bradshaw should be linked. Best Wishes from Prestatyn.
 * 78.145.202.10 (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * They were maintenance edits. If you have suggestions for the improvement of an article, the place to do so is its own dedicated talk page: in the specific case of Bradshaw's Guide, this is Talk:Bradshaw's Guide. Please don't pick random editors. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 21:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

CfD nomination at
A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at  on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 18:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Apparently I created, like, way back in December 2010. Don't recall why. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies/doc
Template:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 07:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Tesla RFC
Was there any other problem, or was the case the only problem? I will assume that the case was the only issue unless I am otherwise notified. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Template:Initiated only recognises yes, it ignores yes - you can tell because the text didn't change to black. The other thing was that you put the in between the  and your original request, so anybody coming across that section might assume that you had filed a pointless non-request. By putting them on separate lines it shows that there were two separate actions. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject A Cappella/doc
Template:WikiProject A Cappella/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Two days to go...
Parliament will be dissolved on 30 May ahead of the UK general election on 4 July. What is the dissolution of Parliament? Cavrdg (talk) 14:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Whilst Hansard does say we do, in His Majesty’s name, and in obedience to His Majesty’s Commands, prorogue this Parliament to Friday the thirty-first of May, it also says End of the Fifth Session (opened on 7 November 2023) of the Fifty-Eighth Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the Second Year of the Reign of His Majesty King Charles the Third. So the MPs have nothing to do in Westminster, and as shown on several recent news bulletins, they're all out on the campaign trail.
 * Oxfordshire gains an extra contituency (increasing to seven), all six of the existing constituencies have boundary changes, the smallest change being to Oxford East, which loses the city centre to Oxford West and Abingdon. Two of the "old" constituencies also change their names. There are several hundred articles to update, and that's just Oxfordshire, so I've started slightly early. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 15:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

When to remove a talk page topic?
Hello Redrose64,

The actual reason I removed the talk page because the case is finally resolved or the case is finally closed, the end result is to leave it as "East Asia" which i actually agree with. If the other editors also prefers this way then i am actually fine with it. But when it's the right time to really remove the talk page? Or I just have leave it there forever? Sorry for asking. Rainbluetiful (talk) 07:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If you start a thread, and nobody else replies to it, you may safely remove it. But once somebody else has replied, WP:TPO applies and you no longer have the right to remove the thread. Experienced uninvolved editors may formally close it at some point, or may set up the page for automatic archiving, see WP:ARCHIVENOTDELETE. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 07:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh I had no idea about this thx for telling me, but i also have few questions about this: where to ask an uninvolved editor to archive or close the thread after the case is finally resolved? And if the page is archive will it be visible to other people and are archived talk page topics removed from the article's talk page? Rainbluetiful (talk) 07:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And is there a specific time where the talk page can be archived or closed? because when i read the rules about closing a talk page, it says that i have to wait for at least 7 days for the talk page to be closed by an uninvolved editor. Closing_discussions
 * What about for archiving too? how long do i have to wait? I dont know where to find an uninvolved editor to close my page (i am preparing right now in advanced) Rainbluetiful (talk) 08:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

June music
Franz Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, hence the story. I uploaded a few pics from the visit of Graham87. You were right about the pic on his user page. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about an extraordinary biography, Peter Demetz. - I uploaded a few more pics but leave the link, because there's a new one of Graham and his mother who liked it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Today is "the day" for James Joyce, also for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (and why does it come before the third?) - the new pics have a mammal I had to look up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

apologies
I forgot viz was even a word, my dumb brain thought it was a typo. abrannigan (talk) 18:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk: Naseem Hamed/RFC on Ethnicity
Interesting. Thank for you for advising me. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. What I am inferring is that Legobot doesn't grok nowiki, and so treats the template inside the nowiki as a real template, and either activates it or deactivates it.  I think that reactivating it now that the subpage is transcluded is the least disruptive way to clean up.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Looking for guidance at British Rail Class 197
Hi Redrose, I was wondering if you could give me some guidance on the actions I’ve taken at ? Anamyd removed the Welsh language version of nameplates, which I believed to be incorrect. So I reverted and started a discussion at the talk page… am I wrong to be a little salty (albeit obviously I’m not doing anything about it) that Anamyd then just reverted it back and ignored the talk page message, despite being tagged?

Just to be clear, I’m not wanting to complain or anything of the sort - I’m just wanting to make sure I didn’t do anything wrong in that situation. Danners430 (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * My first question would be - does the Welsh text appear on the plate itself? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes it does Danners430 (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Boundaries 23 or 24
I was thinking of when the Boundary Commission announced the changes. But that is not even right because Parliament had to approve them and I don't know when that happened. It isn't worth obsessing about the detail, I'm content with your revision. FYI only, nothing to do. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * See The Parliamentary Constituencies Order 2023 - it was approved by the Privy Council (not by Parliament) on 15 November 2023, but the Explanatory note also says: "By virtue of section 4(6) of the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986 (c. 50), the coming into force of this Order does not affect any parliamentary election until a proclamation is issued by His Majesty summoning a new Parliament or affect the constitution of the House of Commons until the dissolution of the Parliament then in being." That reads as the old boundaries ceasing to exist and the new ones coming into force with the dissolution of Parliament, 31 May 2024. That's logical, as it couldn't be earlier otherwise the people of Stony Stratford would suddenly find that their MP was Ben Everitt instead of Iain Stewart, and it couldn't be later otherwise the various Returning Officers would not legally be able to invite nominations for candidates for e.g. Milton Keynes Central or Buckingham and Bletchley. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Pentrefelin Halt railway station
Would it be possible for you to show the line connections served by this halt on both the Swansea District Line and the GWR Morriston branch line in a box at the end of the article, please. I note that you were the originator of the article.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 23:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I added the routebox. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Defaultsort
I'm sorry, I've noticed multiple constituencies use the magic word and assumed it's just a norm. Can you advise where it should be used? Do I understand correctly that it should be used in cases like e.g. "North Derbyshire" and "East Derbyshire" to make them sorted as "Derbyshire, North" and "Derbyshire, East"? Thanks :)

P.s. if it is not a pressing matter I'll come back and fix excessive defaultsorts later. Sfaxx (talk) 21:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * At one time, the use of  was universal, because category sorting was case-sensitive, that is, capital letters all sorted before small letters, so "Z" sorted before "a", which caused confusion, and so it was necessary to use DEFAULTSORT on almost every page to normalise the capitalisation for consistent sorting. This has not been the case since a software change way back in 2011; you will still see pages where the sortkey specified by DEFAULTSORT differs from the page title only in capitalisation, but this is merely because nobody has removed them yet. There is certainly no need to add them, as you did, as   sets a sortkey which is simply a variant case of the page title, North West Essex (UK Parliament constituency) - two letters differ in casing. In general, a DEFAULTSORT is only needed when one of the circumstances described at WP:SORTKEY applies, as with , where the contraction "St" should be sorted as the full "Saint".
 * On occasion, it is desirable to vary the sort order for one particular category, but this is not done using DEFAULTSORT, but by adding a piped value to the category, as described at WP:SORTCAT. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 23:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Feedback on rfc
Hi, sorry to bother you but I see that you specialise in RfCs and I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on Talk:United States, I know I've handled it dreadfully and bludgeoned discussion, but I'm not sure how I could've made the rfc lead more neutral to address the criticisms given. I know the main issue with the rfc was a lack respect but I perceive the opposite opinions as a common injustice which induces the combative behaviour and makes it very difficult for me to facilitate the rfc (not trying to excuse the disrespect but reason for it, I accept it was improper). Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thank you Alexanderkowal (talk) 12:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Oxford
Great to see you again in Oxford yesterday, thanks for organising! I hope the rest of your journey home was smoother than mine: we all got kicked off at Reading due to "staff shortages" and then of course the next train along was too full to get on. Fortunately didn't have to wait very long for another. the wub "?!"  13:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for coming! The staff shortages began in the morning, a lot of trains running through Swindon either terminated short or were cancelled. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 16:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I forgot to give you a link like this, showing how passengers had a view through the driving cab of a, as used on the Blackburn-Bolton-Manchester route. The second-class car at the other end of the unit had a better forward view, because the lack of armrests meant that you could position yourself behind the middle of the right-hand window without having to lean sideways to avoid the window frame. Other classes used on that route were and , but they all gave a view through the cab. Class 105 gave a wider field of view, as they had two large cab windscreens instead of three smaller ones. At this time (early 1980s) there was still one  car in service (M53355), coupled to one of the last Class 105 cars, but I don't remember ever riding on that one. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 17:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, that's quite a view! I was expecting maybe a window on one side of the cab, not being able to see out the whole front. Sadly never travelled on any of these, but one consolation is there's plenty of cab ride videos available on youtube now. the wub "?!"  17:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The last time I rode on a DMU with a view through the cab was a during its final weeks of service on the Princes Risborough-Aylesbury branch in May 2017. If you want to experience something similar, there are several preserved lines with pre-1980s DMUs - classes 100 through 127 inclusive are the ones to look out for. Your closest preserved line will be the Epping Ongar Railway who certainly had two or three DMU cars a few years ago, but I'm not sure if they have one any more. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 18:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Reversion of 'See also' link
Hello, I recently added a relevant item to the "See also" section of Resistor–transistor logic, per: ...on the pretext that there were already links in the body of the article (true). However, in the interests of inclusion, I would expect the "See also" section to be a summary of relevant related articles – whether (or not) they are mentioned in the body of the article. Indeed, it would seem to me to be strange if related articles that appear in "See also" were not mentioned in the body of the article. In your reversion note, you cited SEEALSO – which I reviewed – but there is nothing in that section of the Wikipedia Manual of Style that precludes including a link in "See also" if it has been mentioned in the body of the text once, let alone n times. As of now, there is only one item in the "See also" section – I can think of several good related articles that could also be added. Enquire (talk) 20:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Transistor–transistor logic (TTL)
 * Redrose64 Undid revision 1227335412 by Enquire
 * To quote from WP:SEEALSO: As a general rule, the "See also" section should repeat links that appear in the article's body. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Blackrod station
In either the Historical Railways or the Disused Railways boxes at the foot of the article, would it be proper to show a link connection to the LYR Hindley to Blackrod Branch where the first station is that of Hilton House. If you thibk it is worthwhile to do so, can you please add this information on.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

ANI discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Skyerise (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Shall we do that properly? Information icon4.svg There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Unilateral removal of RfC tag. Thank you. That done, where's my boomerang? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 21:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Reversing lever and reversing rod
About https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1232074251.

I found it strange that the link pointed to itself, then even inferring that these were the same. Would there be a way to resolve this? Øyvind Teig (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You can unlink it if you like. What I was concerned with was the use of an incorrect term: the reversing rod and reversing lever are not synonymous, but they have a common pin joint. In this diagram the reversing lever (right) is labelled, as is the weigh shaft (upper centre). The reversing rod is the one connecting these two, shown partially cut away. The curious thing about that diagram (which is the only one that I could find that showed the reversing lever) is that the reversing lever is drawn at the cylinder (front) end of the loco, instead of at the other (rear) end. There are labelled diagrams in
 * showing the reversing rod as the horizontal (or nearly so) rod reaching from the driver's control (which could be either the reversing lever or the reversing screw) to the weigh shaft. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that exhaustive explanation! I unlinked "reversing rod" Øyvind Teig (talk) 13:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's a good idea to add the figure Redrose64 mentions at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stephenson_link_valvegear_(Army_Service_Corps_Training,_Mechanical_Transport,_1911).jpg into the article, with a proper explanation? Øyvind Teig (talk) 08:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's a good idea to add the figure Redrose64 mentions at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stephenson_link_valvegear_(Army_Service_Corps_Training,_Mechanical_Transport,_1911).jpg into the article, with a proper explanation? Øyvind Teig (talk) 08:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Misusing table markups
Hi there. I recently was tagged in an edit you made regarding adding notional results for the 2019 UK general election. In the edit(s) in question, you said "don't misuse table markup - accessibility". I have absolutely no idea what that means, and it seems the edits you made to my edit didn't actually change anything with the table I was using, visually. Could you care to explain what I should/shouldn't be doing and how, exactly, I was misusing the tables?

Thanks Into oblivion (talk) 07:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Accessibility refers to the design of products, devices, services, vehicles, or environments so as to be usable by people with disabilities, and web accessibility is a more specific form of this. Manual of Style/Accessibility describes the various ways of ensuring that accessibility is achieved, and in that, MOS:DTAB concerns tables.
 * A table has a caption and one or more rows; table rows have one or more cells of two types - header and data. Screen reader software announces the various table components in different ways, and also varies its actions according to the element type that is being read out. If you style a data cell to appear the same as a header cell for a sighted reader, it will still be treated as a data cell by the screen reader. Cells that are used as titles for a row or column must be marked up as header cells; and those that are titles for rows must also have the  attribute. Similarly, the name of a table belongs in the table caption, and not in a full-width header cell.
 * If you have questions about accessibility, you may ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 17:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for comment
Hi Redrose, A number of years back I remember being informed by yourself about keeping citations on a single line, instead of inserting a new line for each parameter - I don't have much background knowledge on this subject, other than it helping with reading and interpreting diffs - would you be able to provide clarity as a third party at User talk:Danners430? Apologies for trying to drag someone into this, I just don't want to enter into an argument, and I remember it being yourself instilling this knowledge into me all those years ago! Danners430 (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What you've actually done is to create a whole glaring, yet content-free, change into the edit log.
 * If your diff process can't handle separate lines, then fix your diff process. It's actually easier (much) for a diff filter to work on inputs that have clear linebreaks. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for administrator attention
Hi Redrose64, I'm a newish Wikipedia editor and style learning the (many, complicated) rules.

I have noticed an issue with a reverter / possible vandal on the Project 2025 article. User:Skyerise keeps adding a See Also section to Project 2025 with irrelevant links, including Liber OZ and Universal Declaration of Human Rights; undoes revisions to remove the irrelevant links or section.

It's unclear to me how to proceed though; I've looked into reporting vandalism, but it seems like that should only be done after 4 edits and several warnings. Can you tell me what the appropriate level of escalation for the situation is at this point and how to do it? Mosi Nuru (talk) 16:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * First off, have you brought up the matter at the article's talk page? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 17:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I have not yet, no. I take it that's the first step?
 * I have added a topic on the talk page, does it look like it contains the essential things I need to say to you?
 * Talk:Project_2025 Mosi Nuru (talk) 17:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * First stage is indeed to discuss on the article's talk page. If Skyerise doesn't comment there within, say, a week, drop a note on their user talk page inviting them to the discussion. Templates such as and  are available for this. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like he has replied and a couple other editors have jumped in, so this was the right approach (I was a little doubtful if anyone read the Talk pages, but I see I was wrong!).
 * Thanks for your help! Hopefully this will be the end of it. Mosi Nuru (talk) 20:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You've already helped a bunch, but would you be willing to do me one more favor when you get a chance?
 * Could you take a note at the Talk Page (Talk:Project_2025) and at how Skyerise is interacting with me, and advise if there is anything I should do?
 * I don't want to get into a flame war with someone on the internet, but I feel pretty strongly that he is arguing in bad faith (implying insult where none was meant, not engaging with the argument, etc.), and I'd like to know how to proceed that doesn't just involve arguing online. Mosi Nuru (talk) 20:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should directly ask the question "Is calling an editor 'obsessive' a personal attack?" Redrose & I don't always see eye to eye, but I suspect we agree on the answer to that. Also, whenever you discuss another editor on a third-party talk page, it is polite to ping them, like this . I shouldn't be finding conversations about me where I wasn't pinged. Skyerise (talk) 00:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

WIkiProject Doctor Who Newsletter: July 2024
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)