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Liverpool St James railway station
Indeed, I agree about the non-hyphenation of 'reopen'; but in adding hyphens I was simply standardizing the usage within the article. In my most recent edit I removed one hyphen that you missed. Again, thanks :) Harfarhs (talk) 23:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Multiple image templates
Hi Redrose64,

I noticed a number of instances of what looks like broken templates on United Arab Emirates. I looked at the code, chased the problem to the template pages, then got stuck. To be honest, I'm having difficulty even describing the problem adequately, so I thought I'd take this snapshot of the page and show it to you, as I thought you'd be able to understand it. Any help or information would be appreciated. I'm on Windows 7, Internet Explorer 11. Regards,  nagual  design   20:11, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to take it to the template's talk page. As I noted some weeks ago, somebody else has converted the template to Lua, and I can therefore no longer maintain it (which includes no longer being able to explain why it does what it does). -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah.. Fair dinkum, mate. I had tried to wade through that talk page, but the more I read the more I realized I didn't even know how to characterize the problem. I'll copy this to there. Cheers.  nagual  design   21:19, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Template bug
Hello Redrose64. I stumbled on a bug you may be able to help me resolve; or at least understand. When requesting page protection for a mainspace page, the request format uses template La. For example NSYNC would be listed as: However, the special character in their stylized name, *NSYNC‎, breaks the template in the following manner: When substituting template La's code and manually adding the page name, the title properly parses for all of the parameters; as shown below: The same special character is also present in this title, Avery*Sunshine yet it works in the template; as shown: Are you able to see what is causing the template to fail when the special character is the title's first character? Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 14:09, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 *  *NSYNC‎ ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=*NSYNC‎&action=edit edit] &#124; talk &#124; [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=*NSYNC‎&action=history history] &#124; [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=*NSYNC‎&action=protect protect] &#124; [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=*NSYNC‎&action=delete delete] &#124; [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/*NSYNC‎&limit=999 links] &#124; [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=*NSYNC‎&action=watch watch] &#124; [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=*NSYNC‎ logs] &#124; views)
 * It's not a bug in this template, but a design feature of all templates, see H:T, first bullet, and use  instead of the asterisk
 * note that the trick doesn't work here. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:34, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand, thank you very much.—John Cline (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand, thank you very much.—John Cline (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry
To you and yours FWiW  Bzuk (talk) 16:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Paddington-Cardiff/Swansea + Neyland & Fishguard Harbour
Hello Redrose, Apologies for not being signed in; for some reason Wikipedia wasn't accepting my username or password.

Anyway, I'm not quite sure how the Red Dragon and Capitals United Express destinations should be described. Officially, they were between Paddington and Cardiff or Swansea, with additional portions for Neyland and Fishguard Harbour. And, of course, the Capitals United Express was so named to commemorate Cardiff becoming the Capital City of Wales; hence the service unites the two Capital cities of London and Cardiff, albeit the main train formation actually terminated in Swansea, with additional onward coaches to the coast. That's why I put Paddington-Cardiff/Swansea (+ Neyland & Fishguard Harbour). Of course, we can't be too precise, as this isn't an article about either the Red Dragon or Capitals United Express. What do you think?

Cheers, Rick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.254.69 (talk) 18:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC) Rascally Bear (talk) 00:55, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

92220 Evening Star
Hi Redrose64, I've managed to regain access to my account. My handle is Rascally Bear. Thank you for improving the posts I left on the Evening Star page. I thought it was lacking some interesting information, but am only a beginner at wiki contributions. Anyway, you now have a way to contact me. Quick question, obviously it's desirable to only do one 'save', to make it easier or people to follow the additions/changes I've made. Use the preview, of course. But, if I do make several 'saves', can I delete my earlier ones, and only leave my final edit?, or will this corrupt the final version? Also, you requested page numbers. These will be multiple pages in each book. I can't see how to add more than one page reference. Any suggestions? Just one last thing, the abbreviation for number is always written "No." with a capital 'N'. I am a qualified typographer and proofreader, so tend to pick up on these things. Anyway, good changes to my original additions. I'm now away until early January, so have a great Christmas! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rascally Bear (talk • contribs) 00:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC) Thanks, Rick a.k.a, Rascally Bear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rascally Bear (talk • contribs) 00:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC) Rascally Bear (talk) 00:54, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The best way of finding out "what happens if I do this?" is to try it - but please do so on a page that doesn't matter, like your own user page or one of its subpages (see WP:USERSUBPAGE); or on a communally-shared testing page such as Sandbox (information about sandboxes in general is at About the Sandbox).
 * To give multiple pages on a single reference, use the pages parameter, as in 12, 34–36. If you want to use basically the same reference more than once but with different page numbers each time, there are various ways of doing it. You can give the whole reference again, in full, changing only the page number, but if done more than two or three times, this can dominate the references section. You can use the technique, but many people (including myself) don't like it. Another technique is to give the full ref details just once, and to use a shortened form for the others - see for example Boar's Head railway station, particularly the Marshall refs. This puts both long and short refs in the same list, which some people don't like, so the longer refs are often placed in a separate list after the main reference list (see the Walford & Harrison 2008 refs at BR Standard Class 9F), but when only a few of the refs use this method, it can look messy. In its ultimate form (as seen on articles like NBR 224 and 420 Classes), they are fully separated: this method is known as, and I use it a lot. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:55, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Discussion regarding Template:Rating
Hi! I noticed from the template's talk page history that you seemed like an involved editor there who may have an opinion on a discussion going on at WP:ALBUMS about rendering ratings. Would you care to weigh in here? Dan56 (talk) 06:53, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Happy New Year! Redrose64, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Archive 108
Is discussion still active at Wikipedia talk:Village pump (technical)/Archive 108? I truly don't understand why this page that has had zero comments in a year and a half isn't an archive. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 00:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It was causing no harm at all where it was. I don't see why you want to move it around and reclassify it all of a sudden. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Nowraps again
Since nobody seems to have raised any concerns on the Death date and age template talkpage, do you know how to go about default nowrapping it (possibly along with the birth date and age one)? It must be something with screen sizes/browsers, and nowrapping seems to fix it. Connormah (talk) 02:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This needs a discussion with a wide audience, because it should not be applied to that one specific template but all of those that are related - they should not differ in such aspects. Ideally it would be done with a  and not a   so that the behaviour in infoboxes can be nowrap, and when used in running prose they can have normal wrapping. The relevant CSS rules would be built into MediaWiki:Common.css and that definitely needs wide discussion. It also needs to be considered in conjunction with the desire of  to widen up the left-hand column of infoboxes (see my comments at User talk:Sardanaphalus), which will necessarily reduce the width of the right-hand column, with a detrimental effect on the wrapping of these date templates. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:07, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Which venue of discussion would this be most appropriately discussed at? Connormah (talk) 04:10, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure; probably MediaWiki talk:Common.css or Template talk:Infobox. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Oobi at Work
I have a question that is best answered by admins like you.

I created the page "Oobi at Work" recently and only two editors have edited it. The second editor redirected the page to a page featuring the production company, but I want to know whether or not you believe that it was a good idea for them to do that or have Oobi at Work stay a separate page. Thanks! --Julian &#38; Juan - From Julian Spencer (talk) 20:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you're asking me (also and  - see WP:MULTI) - surely it would be better to ask the person who, which was . -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:09, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I asked you because I've been waiting for a reply from an admin, and you seemed most active after those two. I guess I should ask Squiddaddy, but I was sort of hoping for an admin's opinion on the matter as I don't really know what the best choice is...thanks anyway, though! Julian &#38; Juan - From Julian Spencer (talk) 00:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

AH++
The article appears to be bogus, well I'm 99% certain it is. Could you take a look a double check. Bgwhite (talk) 07:42, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, well. I'm tempted to say discuss, using both sides of the paper and diagrams where appropriate, the meaning of the sentence "Unsecure For The Future Expectedly Edit Warring Due of Confidential." Britmax (talk) 09:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The total lack of references or even ELs is suspicious - anybody plugging their latest genuine product always adds at least one spam link to either their own personal website, or the manufacturer's website, at the very least.
 * There are several things that could be done here - inform WT:WPCS and ask if they've ever heard of it; mark it ; or WP:PROD it (mentioning the total lack of references and ELs). You could do two or even all of them, but if PRODding, you should also add a to its talk page, so that it shows at WikiProject Computer science/Article alerts.
 * The dreadful grammar is occasionally found with new articles, and usually occurs with a non-native English speaker; most often, they are based in southern Asia. However, the capitalisation of almost every word is found even with true Brits and Americans, if they are young and their schooling is not of the best. Or they wagged off. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:49, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I Googled it, using my marginal CompSci knowledge, and nothing came up that would even confirm this language exists. It certainly isn't notable yet, even if it does exist. Tagged under CSD G3. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 12:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There are some smoking guns in the article itself as well, in the compatibilities chart; "iMac OS" does not exist, and there's no mention of Windows Vista either. Very few self-promoting people would make those kind of errors. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 12:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Your reversion
Hello! I saw that you reverted some of the posts at the Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). While I don't mind it, it was actually just the last post of those that was incorrect. The first was a user trying to confirm that they had received the info, but had some difficulties in handling whatever device they was using. The word "Aiwa" is Arabic for "ok", and in my post I just followed suit and said "you're welcome" in the same language. The use of some simple words in other languages are ok even here on the English Wikipedia, if it can make foreign users feel welcome. Best, w.carter -Talk  21:58, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Div col
Was I here? 11:56, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not to me, no. Apparently others saw it differently. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox getting fat after Christmas!
Hi Redrose. Please take a look at Laval, Mayenne on cywiki: the coordinates appear to bulge, and effects the infobox. Pregnancy is also a possibility. Many thanks - and have a great new year! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 05:34, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem here. Was this the same issue as described at Village pump (technical)/Archive 131? If so, a WP:PURGE may be all that's needed. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:23, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Happy New Year, and may you have good health Redrose64. The infobox still seems bloated, however.


 * Cyfesurynnau.PNG


 * Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 18:31, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you got this one. The problem is that the coordinates are duplicated, thus making the infobox extremely fat. Thanks. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 10:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I just don't see any problem with that page. Does it happen on any other pages? Does it still happen if you log out? -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:56, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:email, is there an issue?
Hi Redrose64,

I was just about to start an RfC at pump but, before starting a thread that might consume a lot of editor time, I wondered whether I could run it by you as a regular pump visitor.

Wikipedia currently offers a Special:EmailUser facility and it also supports namespace content such as Template:You've got mail.

At the other extreme the encyclopaedia also presents guidelines such as WP:Canvass.

I don't see how it is possible to enforce WP:canvass while also providing a route for insider communication via e-mail. I did a trawl through the archive at pump proposals on this. I was about to launch a proposal to remove the e-mail facility from WP but was wondering whether there was a valid reason not to do so. Greg Kaye 09:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There are times when an email is preferable to on-wiki discussion, such as sensitive private matters. For example, at WP:OVERSIGHT, you are encouraged to use the email facility to communicate with the oversight team. Then there are lost/forgotten passwords - a new password is always emailed to you, instead of being displayed in clear, for security. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:57, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. Do you remember any time when related issues have been discussed?  Please don't take this as a request to research.  I'm just wondering.  Thanks.  GregKaye 17:12, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Not as such. You could look through the archives of WP:VPR, possibly WP:VPM or WP:VPT. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:34, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. This has really helped with my train of thought on all this.  I will present a proposal for a Wikipedia based and accountably accessible alternative to the use of external email.  GregKaye 06:56, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * To my TPSs: this has now been raised at Village pump (policy)/Archive 117. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Are you an "Administrator"? I'm going to try the move...
...as discussed at URL: Talk:Electrolux_Ankarsrum_Assistent.

In the event I mess it up, I'd like to know that there's someone "looking over my shoulder" so-to-speak.

LP-mn (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Dannis243 (talk) 16:34, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You could at least link to the relevant thread. For my TPSs, it's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:13, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Br. rly system
thanks User:Redrose64 for revealing further insight into orphan question. Although I have been a Wikipedian for 3 years my contributions occur at sporadic intervals & I am still far from having the experience needed to master things like AWB. Noting your interest in the British railway system, in which I am also somewhat interested (and probably have visited some of your pages in the past), I'd like to ask why so few, if any, of the station pages include a picture characteristic of the station? Ankababel (talk) 22:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by "a picture characteristic of the station". Some people feel that the photo in the infobox should depict the exterior of the station (e.g. Didcot); some the interior with no trains present (e.g. Appleford); some the interior with a train in the platform (e.g. Culham). In the third case, my own feeling is that the train shouldn't dominate the picture (e.g. Radley). I don't think that it's laid down anywhere; the best place to discuss this is WT:RAIL. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:33, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox station templates
Hi Redrose64, as a fountain of knowledge when it comes to understanding how Wiki works behind the scenes, I thought you may be able to help me with this one.

In the Lithgow railway station article, in the 'services' section of the Infobox where the preceding and following stations are listed, the Dubbo XPT is showing as Rydal and Katoomba which is correct. However Rydal is pointing to the town article and not the more recently created station article. Having amended all the relevant template articles and used the What links here tool, I still have not bee able to correct.

Am I correct in thinking the information that drives this is held in a separate database or in a place not visible by 'rank & file' editors? Mo7838 (talk) 23:20, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi (butting in here). The links are actually 'generated' by a group of templates (subtemplates of S-line) that look if a specificly formatted page title exists. In this case it was looking for Rydal railway station, New South Wales. I created that as a redirect, and the link should now point to the station article. Took me a while to find out...  23:56, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The part of the infobox under "Services" is also called the routebox, these are sometimes placed outside the infobox, as at Linlithgow railway station. The rows are of two main types: those formed using (or others of that ilk like ), and those formed using . I note that Lithgow railway station uses both kinds: the first five are, and the last one is . I don't like the  series because of the multiplicity of subtemplates, and the hoops that you need to jump through to fix a link. By contrast,  etc. have no mysterious subtemplates - everything's visible out front, including the linking.
 * If you have general questions on the writing and format of railway-related articles, a good place to ask is WT:RAIL.
 * Don't worry Erwin, lots of people comment here - I have 200 watchers. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:35, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks to you both, a bit of a round the houses method, but it worked. Mo7838 (talk) 08:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Samira Samii
HI Redrose64 I am new.. I couldn't understand your massage. what are these B E C K Y S A Y L E S letters-... How can I request to delete Samira SAmii page??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxXXX-max (talk • contribs) 16:48, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume that you refer to Template talk:Edit protected. Two replies were left for you, only the second one was from me. The letters " B E C K Y S A Y L E S " are the signature of, who left the first reply "Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made". The thing is, you used the template, which is used to request changes to semi-protected pages; and you used it on the Template talk:Edit protected page, which relates to another similar template, and not to any other page. We both assumed that you wanted some information to be removed or amended, and it was clear to both of us that the page that you wanted changing wasn't Template:Edit protected but an article, and it's normal practice to discuss changes to an article on the talk page of that specific article. It's also normal, when you wish to make a change concerning a living person, that reliable sources be provided to support your proposed changes.
 * Anyway, if what you want to achieve is the deletion of the entire article, not just some part of it, the deletion policy is set out at WP:DELETE. In the specific case of the article Samira Samii, a deletion discussion has already been started, it is at Articles for deletion/Samira Samii which is linked from the box at the top of the article. To make a comment relating to deletion, you need to post on that discussion page, otherwise it will not be taken into account by the closing administrator. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:08, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Upwey
Thanks for that. I think I changed it while trying to get Radipole to show and forgot to change it back. Britmax (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for sorting out that arrhythmic glitch. Yup, look forward to seeing you. I owe you a beer :) 86.134.203.235 (talk) 15:59, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thought it was you! -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:07, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry not to have been clearer - I knew it's the sort of thing you like to sort on VPT. Cheers! 86.134.203.235 (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

A discussion on the Linux distribution talk page
Hello! There's a somewhat lengthy content-related discussion in that would really need input from more editors. It's about an ongoing disagreement on how should a Linux distribution be described, required level of coverage by references, and partially about the way article's lead section should reflect the article content. If you could provide any input there, I'd really appreciate it! &mdash; Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:11, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

revert
I didnt. The vote was incorrectly formatted with no Support indicated. If i made an error in fixing that, please do not assume some deliberate attempt to "remove" anything. Irondome (talk) 16:00, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The vote was not incorrectly formatted - ; what goes in between is free-form. It was placed in the Support section, and at RFA, people often omit the word "Support" - see for example the vote of, which is number 2 in the Support section. Also, bots like assess the statistics for User:Cyberpower678/RfX Report by tallying the number of entries in each section that begin with a   that isn't followed by a colon - they don't care whether the vote explicitly says "Support" or not. , by inserting a newline and a hash, turned what had been a single vote (number 71) into two (numbers 71 & 72). Nobody is permitted to have two votes. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Redrose64, well it was certainly unintentional. Irondome (talk) 16:39, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Come on gents, it is confusing at first glance, since they've copied mine and Kudpung's signatures wholesale instead of just linking. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  17:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It was precisely that which threw me! Anyway, sorted. Cheers all Irondome (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Joke
That was a joke and now is not going to be a joke any more, because you removed it. I actually was giggling the whole day how   will look like when he will notice his page all pink, but than that is not going to happen any more, of course. It was HIS page, after all, looks like one can't make a private joke on a private page, on the Wiki at all. Notice discussion on my talk. Those are jokes, we tease each other... a lot. Hafspajen (talk) 21:59, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I couldn't read anything on that page. MOS:ACCESS applies to all namespaces, not just articles. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

MK's support vote
-- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * voted "Oppose" in the "Support" section. I informed them about it, and after 36 hours with no response (during which time they edited elsewhere, so were clearly not away from a computer), I decided that it would be OK to move the vote to the proper section. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:18, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Come on, Redrose, you have more common sense than that! First of all, anyone who read it should be able to tell that it's a joke; second, MK is an experienced editor and presumably knows what he's doing; and finally, there is almost never a good reason to move somebody else's vote from one section without their permission—and presumably if MK didn't respond, he didn't consider it an issue. Surely you've been around long enough to know that some of us don't take these things too seriously? ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:40, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Decision

 * Er, OK. Not sure what this is about - was it something to do with the two current RFAs? -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:26, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with anything Rr64. Just felt like sharing my spare curly-wurly :) Cheers! Irondome (talk) 22:29, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Attitude
Maybe if you spent as much effort as you appear to do throwing tags at pages you know little about, concentrating on a smaller area of things that you either know about or could find out about, Wikilife would be a little bit nicer for yourself and other users? Strangely pages develop and sometimes links copied from other pages on Wikipedia don't end up having the full information on them. When this happens it is not hard to correct the mistake. Not everything needs one of those little tags that make the wider world laugh at Wikipedia. A quick note to the editor is all that is needed. I know that the concept of communicating directly with another human is considered strange and old fashioned by some, but it can save noses being put out of joint without reason.DiverScout (talk) 16:25, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I resent those accusations, just as I resent, which I ignored at the time, but do so no longer. Why do you think that I "contribute nothing but tags", or "throw tags at pages [I] know little about"? What do you think are the "things that [I] either know about or could find out about"?
 * How could I know that you copied the information from somewhere else on Wikipedia, if you didn't say where you had copied it from? In failing to do so, you went against WP:CWW. Sorry, but as the person who added the information, it is your responsibility to ensure that the policy on verifiability is met. Jenkins 1993 could be all sorts of things (even if I had known that it was Stanley C. Jenkins, he's a prolific author (I have seven of his books myself), with more than one book published in some years), and it wasn't until you that I was able to have a sporting chance of working out what the book was. Of course, it might not have been that edition - some Oakwood books have appeared in two or more editions, each with a different pagination. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:44, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Which makes page references rather pointless. You feel the need to add tags along with silly little personal digs, but don't like it when someone calls you on it.  Fine.  Don't expect me to stop.  I am here to try to make these articles of use to the general public, not to pander to the egos of Wikipedians. DiverScout (talk) 21:21, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you at least confirm that the book whose full citation I added is indeed the book that you were using? I ask because prompted me to look what other information was given about the book that the edit presumably refers to - and, I find a publication whose author, year and title all match - but it's from the Middleton Press, and it's marked up using.
 * So my question is - was I wrong to assume that it was the Oakwood Press book at Hardingham railway station? Was it actually the Middleton Press publication that is shown at Yaxham railway station? -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * My current copy is Oakwood Press. DiverScout (talk) 20:09, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The ISBN number seems to relate to Oakwood rather than Middleton. May have to trawl through and tickle some of those references, unless it has been published as such by both publishing houses. DiverScout (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * At Hardingham railway station, the ISBN is one that I added myself. I obtained it by Googling 'Jenkins Lynn and Dereham railway 1993' and several hits all gave the Oakwood Press book, and most of those had that ISBN too. I've looked at the [//www.middletonpress.co.uk/ Middleton Press] website: there are [//www.middletonpress.co.uk/results.html?search=Lynn four books with "Lynn" in the title], but none of them cover the route through Swaffham; and I can't find [//www.middletonpress.co.uk/results.html?search=Dereham anything with "Dereham"] in the title, although one book mentions West Dereham, which is not the same at all. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:03, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Probaby an ongoing error in referencing, with most of these pages having forked from others. Will work through them as time allows - but now at this time of night! DiverScout (talk) 00:20, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's Saturday night - late is OK. That reminds me: I don't suppose you're in Oxford on Sunday? -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sadly not, as if I was I think I might be offering a drink to someone I may have misjudged. DiverScout (talk) 00:28, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

VPT
Good catch; didn't realize I was editing an old archive page! Durrr. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:13, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Editathon in Oxford
Hi there, I'm sorry if this is weird because I've not talked to you before (as far as remember), but I got an email awhile back from ScienceGrrl Oxford asking how they would go about doing an editathon for International Women's Day on March 8, and I've never organized an editathon but I saw that you're in Oxford and wondered if you'd be able to help out somehow? Thanks. Shiningroad (talk) 22:06, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay. I've never been involved in an editathon; you might like to ask somebody else: I know that often organises these, usually with his Chapter hat on, as . I believe that,  and  have organised the occasional one. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:20, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Shiningroad (talk) 13:39, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Shiningroad, that's a bit of a congested weekend for us, a board meeting a London meetup and a couple of other things, any chance of doing this on another date? Alternatively would you like to get involved in some other editathons where we are or could add a gender diversity element. For example there is a women in engineering event in Dublin in February.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  14:06, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Jonathan, but the whole point of having a chapter is that events can still go ahead, even when a member of staff is busy on that particular day. I'd be only too happy to help you set something up and to come down to Oxford (I'm based in the Midlands, but it's not an arduous journey, and I'm not nearly important enough that my presence would be required at a board meeting!) to help you on the day. Perhaps you could drop me an email (I'm hjmitchell at ymail dot com) and we can copy in all the relevant people? (And if either of the other editors Redrose suggests are available, we can cc them as well—I've run events with them before and both are good friends of mine).  might also be interested.  HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  15:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, I'm available on that date and willing to but I wont be able to help significantly with the organising. Thryduulf (talk) 15:34, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , are you aware of the calendar at Events? -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes I am. Shiningroad (talk) 23:00, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Good, so you're probably aware of a Meetup in Oxford on Sunday., and  sometimes come to these. Meetups are good for planning future events. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:28, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't be able to make it I'm afraid. Shiningroad (talk) 06:14, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Joining Transport for London Project
Hey there Redrose64,

How do I join the project stated above and is it easy to join a project? Vincent60030 (talk) 13:25, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Just add your name to the list at WikiProject_London_Transport/Members. Robevans123 (talk) 15:21, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, the main page for most WikiProjects has a link to the membership list somewhere; in this case it's in the first box and called "Participants".

Tip
Use HTML codes to change the color of "rose64" to that unclicked blue. Now that it is purple, it doesn't have that nice contrast. Tetra quark (don't be shy) 15:01, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I set the text colour for "Red" because I also set its background colour, and I carefully chose colours that would meet WCAG 2.0 level AAA (i.e. 7.0:1 or better) - which these do, being 7.02:1. Since I didn't set the background colour for "rose64", I saw no need to change the foreground colour. Foreground and background are therefore the defaults for whichever skin you use, and any contrast problem is the fault of the skin's designer. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:56, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Oxenholme Lake District station
On Oxenholme Lake District I don't understand why that information was taken out as all the other stations on that route have the same calling points so why can't Oxenholme? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.224.250.139 (talk) 20:47, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've had a look - and they only have "the same calling points" because you put them in. It is not the purpose of a routebox to give every possible stopping pattern, but to describe the major flows only. If a train calls just once or twice a day, it doesn't belong. If it calls every two hours (or more frequently than that), it does belong. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:01, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

That means to also add in Carlisle in as the next calling point to Oxenholme as a lot of trains run non-stop from Oxenholme to Carlisle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.224.250.139 (talk) 21:04, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Straight and curly quotes...
Hello Red Rose,

Have a happy new year !

I think we have reached a compromise for now on the template.

What makes you say that "curly quotes are not permitted anywhere" on Wikipedia ?

Cheers,

--Nnemo (talk) 12:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see MOS:QUOTEMARKS particularly the second bullet. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Red Rose. This does not say that “curly quotes are not permitted anywhere” on Wikipedia. This just says that curly quotes are “not recommended for Wikipedia”. Wikipedia wants to be an encyclopedia. In any decent encyclopedia or book, “the quotes are curly” — for english, of course. --Nnemo (talk) 15:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

The British steam railway locomotive, 1825-1925
You might find helpful. I can't access it at the moment, but there's a scan of the 1927 printing.LeadSongDog come howl!  17:21, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

User Page
Hey there Redrose64, I need some help in my new user page. Would you mind giving me some guidance. Hope you don't mind that I also edited your user page! Hope yo like it! :)

Regards, Vincent60030 (talk) 07:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Unless you're fixing or removing content that goes against WP:UPNO, it's always a good idea to ask a user before editing their user page. I see that, for which, . -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:01, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem! Sorry I was a bit cack-handed doing it Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:22, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not asking your permission. So how was my edit? We're you satisfied with it, or in which part should I improve on? Vincent60030 (talk) 08:23, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Your edit to my user page went against WP:OUTING. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox MTR station TfD
The answer to the question you asked in this edit is that Infobox GB station is not a mega template. Infobox NI station and Infobox Ireland station were nominated with the result that NI station was merged into Ireland station. Ireland station has now been renomintated, with Ireland disused station added. With all of these smaller templates deleted, Infobox GB station will probably be targeted next, so there's no point merging smaller templates into it. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 14:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's been tried before - twice - without success. People who nominate these template for deletion never use them themselves, so have no idea of their differences. They claim that it would ease maintenance - for whom? When have they ever maintained Template:Infobox Manchester Metrolink station? If there's a problem that needs fixing, why don't they bring it up on the template's talk page (or that of the relevant WikiProject) like anybody else would? What really pisses me off is this "all infoboxes must be deleted or merged" attitude from somebody who is under an indefinite topic ban when it comes to infoboxes. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Being tried before won't stop it happeneing again, even though it should. Unfortunately, that topic ban is being interpreted as being only applicable to articles and it should be clear to anyone that TfD is being used to get around that. Unfortunately, some people commenting at WP:ARCA at the moment aren't seeing that. As somebody who maintains several templates, I don't fall for the "ease of maintenance" argument. Most of these TfDs result in more wasted time than has been spent on maintenance in years. And yes, I agree that the template's talk page is the best place to discuss these things in the first instance. Either there or with the end-users at the related project. Unfortunately, "some" don't see it that way. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 15:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Just following this up, Infobox Ireland station TfD was closed as merge to Infobox station and this is now in progress. Of interest in the discussion at Template talk:Infobox station was this, indicating that Infobox GB station is likely to be nominated again. It's certainly on "the list". -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 11:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

More ISBN stuff
More crazy stuff I discovered:,. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * and...  Every article related to the Simpsons has this.  Bgwhite (talk) 00:32, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Taking Bgwhite's case first - is a template, normally used where information is columnar and space is tight, such as a list of works by an author. It's not intended for use on citations, where only one ISBN should be given: that of the edition that was actually used to obtain information from. At the help pages dealing with citations, a common question is "my book has two ISBNs, how do I show the second?" Often these are merely the ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 variants of the same number; other times there are two ISBN-10 or two ISBN-13 present on the book's copyright page, because to save money, the printer used the same plates for paperback and hardback editions. We usually direct them to Template:Cite book but that's not fully comprehensive - it's perhaps too long as it is.
 * As regards the cases spotted by, something like  is what you get by typing   manually, and following it with . Since after saving it's no longer a template, it's not easily detectable; finding these is a job for AWB or similar. -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:51, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Approx. 470 links to ISBN. Most of them can be fixed but there are so many crazy cases out there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:07, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I am replacing regex \[\[ISBN\]\]\s\[\[Special\:BookSources[^\|]*\|([^]]*)\]\] with ISBN $1 and it works! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:18, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * for the latter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You!

 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

LU D stock withdrawal
You may be interested in my notes at Talk:London Underground D78 Stock. Thryduulf (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

"nowiki" in Ibn Taymiyyah article
Hello Redrose64, would you be able to tell me why the nonwiki thing keeps getting in to the article. What is nowiki? Mbcap (talk) 15:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a long-standing bug in Visual Editor, where it seems to insert  tag pairs at random positions. One of the earliest reports of the problem was over two years ago (when it was still on trial), but it seems that they've still not fixed it. This bug was one of the main reasons that there was so much outcry when the software was launched to the general audience in mid 2013.
 * The normal use of  (see WP:NOWIKI) is to force special characters to be displayed as-is, without being processed as markup. For example, if I put the word "example" inside two pairs of square brackets, I get a wikilink, like this: example - but if I want it to show as the actual characters, I put the whole construction inside , like this: example.
 * In general, nowiki is only used on talk pages and help pages, where it's often necessary to explain wiki markup. This is rarely required in mainspace articles, and so when it does happen, the edit is marked "(Tags: nowiki added, VisualEditor)" as in . You're not the only person who does it: see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=nowiki+added this list], notice that Ibn Taymiyyah‎ is listed twice, at 00:34 and 03:54. If you click the "diff" link at the start of a row, you should spot the  tags somewhere. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:09, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The &lt;nowiki&gt; tag tells the software to treat what would be wiki-markup as a literal text string, e.g. bold . Adding these tags unnecessarily is a hallmark of several bugs with VisualEditor. From testing in my sandbox it seems that when splitting a paragraph, VisualEditor is inserting a leading space at the start of the new paragraph. A leading space normally produces pre-formatted text, e.g.

This line starts with a leading space.
 * But obviously you don't want that, so it adds the &lt;nowiki&gt; tags around the space so it is shown as a literal space character. I'll report this at WP:VE/F if it hasn't been already. Thryduulf (talk) 16:12, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for explaining it so well. I will keep an eye on this when I am editing and try to delete it, when it creeps in again. I hope they fix it because without visual editor, a newbie like me would not know which way is up or down if I was to use wiki markup all the time. Mbcap (talk) 16:16, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I've reported the bug at WP:VE/F, if you could comment there with your browser and operating system that would help the developers identify where the issue is likely to be. Thryduulf (talk) 16:35, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, I have commented there by stating the OS and browser. If more elaboration is needed over at the VE, let me know. Mbcap (talk) 17:32, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

The Template Barnstar

 * , two in 48 hours! -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:58, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, January 2015
Sorry about removing sortkey, I think you added it while I was editing and I must have skipped it on "conflicting edits." Deunanknute (talk) 00:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If you look at [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_January_2015&action=history the page history], you will see that on my edits, the edit summary begins with an arrow like this → which is followed by some text in grey; this is added automatically, and indicates an edit to a single section: the grey text is the name of the section, and the arrow is a link to that section. However, on your edits, there is no arrow or grey text, which means that you were editing the whole page. If you only need to make changes to one section, it's best to use the section's own edit link, this helps to avoid edit conflicts. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:46, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Precious again
  railroads and advice

Thank you for quality articles on UK railways and stations, such as Hawkhurst Branch Line, for counseling and, for an overlooked  problem, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! You deserve a red rose, but now you get a blue sapphire.

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC) Two years ago, you were the 383rd recipient of my  Pumpkin Sky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Rucha Gujarati and Rucha Gujarathi
Could you help out here as well: Rucha Gujarathi was created today, and the editor has tried to redirect Rucha Gujarati. Thanks. -- Sam Sing! 13:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not a simple revert job, because has continued editing on the new name. It needs a history merge, so I've added a, hopefully somebody like  will fix it up within the day; in the meantime, I've served a . -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:35, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry folks if I created some confusion. Earlier page name was incorrect and I was not aware about the "move page" so I performed that action. New page has the same contents but the table and contents have been improved. My apologies for the confusion. How can the page history be merged? Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  13:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've had a look, and there is far too much difference, so a history merge would be inappropriate, so I've withdrawn the . I've undone -  what I suggest you do now is make appropriate changes on the original page, Rucha Gujarati. When you have added the new content that you had been putting on Rucha Gujarathi, edit that page to add  at the top. Once it's deleted, a proper page move may be performed. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Copied Sirs, just bear with me for some more time. I am putting on the new page and  making changes to the original page. Once when you Gents delete the new page, I will request a merge. Trust this should be in line. I will drop a message here once done. Sorry again. Arun Kumar SINGH  (Talk)  13:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I put on top of Rucha Gujarathi. Can you please check if that is in order? Arun Kumar SINGH  (Talk)  13:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Friends, thanks for your time. User:Anthony Appleyard moved the page and fixed everything. Sorry again if I caused any confusion. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  14:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Edits
Thank you for taking t time to revert my edits. However as far as the Scooby Doo films go, I wasn't being unconstructive then. Stage Fright's plot was not an issue for over a year, that is why I made my edits. Same as FrankenCreepy. Feel free to discuss on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.128.80 (talk) 20:41, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

London Wiki
Adverts or not, if you have a need for recording London area railway related OR in the wikiverse, (or wish to check through the articles in the absence of TV) feel free to use the wiki. Jackiespeel (talk) 13:23, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I refer you to the answer I gave some months ago. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Template:Orphan lists inside have misaligned bullets
Sorry about the comments in orphan. They were just "notes to myself" when I was working on hiding the orphan templates – perhaps the most complex template coding I've done to date. I think they're harmless, and may help others understand the coding, but won't object if you remove them. For a while I was racking my brains trying to figure out why the bullets didn't line up. I finally gave up, as none of Wikipedia's technical elite had an answer for that. The solution is perhaps in browser coding; if so we wait for fixes to Chrome and Internet Explorer. See, where the issue was discussed over a year ago. Template:Orphan/testcases shows that despite your removing three newlines, the problem is still there. I tried removing more in the sandbox, but no luck. - Wbm1058 (talk) 15:44, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

New Row for Labour, Meon Valley (UK Parliament constituency)
PDreczko (talk) 12:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * }
 * Why have you placed this box here? -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, have only just tried to understand Wikipedia. Left this as a message but now realise I should have left it in my Talk Page. I am trying to add this info to the page regarding Meon Valley (UK Parliament constituency)but it is not a case of just adding text as the template is semi protected.Sorry again that I am asking this in the wrong place. Could you help by telling me who can add the info to the template please? PDreczko (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The template is semi-protected, yes; but that is not where you should be adding information about a candidate. The article Meon Valley (UK Parliament constituency) is not protected, and I expect that you need to edit the section headed "Elections in the 2010s". -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

broken double redirect from "Sociopath"
Entering "Sociopathy" into Wikipedia redirects to the Sociopathy section of the Psychopathy page. However, entering "Sociopath" redirects and halts on the "Sociopathy" redirect. This appears to be the Feb. 12, 2015 changes by Redrose64 (you) and R'n'B. Perhaps, set up "Sociopath" to redirect directly like "Sociopathy" and "Psychopath," both of which function correctly. Unfortunately, these redirects are semi-protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.24.220 (talk) 06:19, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is not the venue to discuss where the redirect should point. Please take this to the talk page where discussion has previously been conducted, i.e. Talk:Sociopath. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the double redirect &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:47, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That redirect has been the subject of controversial changes. If it cannot be resolved at its own talk page, it's a WP:RFD matter. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:59, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, but I'm not entering into it! I just fixed the double redirect, which in my opinion, the software should take care of automatically. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

at_sec / Bantayan Island
Is that a new (and undocumented) parameter?

As a matter of interest, what does it matter? I mean, is the list worthwhile, or just a list for its own sake?

BTW, can you confirm that the return from for coordinates has minutes (seconds) in pairs, i.e. they're either both there or neither. And that seconds implies minutes, so returned format is Z9°[Z9′[Z9″]]A, ZZ9°[Z9′[Z9″]]BA is N or S, B is E or W -- Unbuttered parsnip  (talk) mytime= Thu 08:59, wikitime=  00:59, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that you misread . The parameter is not at_sec but lat_sec - seconds of latitude, and it is not a new parameter: it has been part of since the template was created in June 2007.
 * When coordinates are specified, the latitude and longitude should be given to the same precision; thus, where seconds of longitude are specified, in this case the lon_sec parameter, there also needs to be seconds of latitude, the lat_sec parameter, and vice versa - if either is present without the other, the page is placed in hidden . I removed the page from that category by adding the missing parameter, I used a zero value because I don't know of the exact value, and for an island it's probably not particularly critical, since one second of arc is about 31 metres, see WP:OPCOORD. I could have removed the article from the category by removing the three instances of lon_sec - but I decided to go with the majority, since of the sixteen islands, twelve had the coordinates given to degrees, minutes and seconds; just one had the coordinates given to degrees and minutes only; and three were in error.
 * I don't know how Wikidata handles coordinates in general; I do know that Q806973 has just one pair of coordinates, which is to degrees and minutes. I don't know if this is for the island group in general, or one specific island. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry it's very small writing on my phone! -- Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 20:40, wikitime=  12:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

 * As it happens, yesterday I checked [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Redrose64&project=en.wikipedia.org this page] for the first time in months, and I found that VPT is by far my most-edited page - 3101 edits, with second place being this page, 1469 edits; third and fourth are Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways with 593 and User:Redrose64 with 589. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not surprised that it's the main page for you, but your helpfulness is evident on many pages. Thank you.  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:42, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

ha ha ha
i'm the same person as 86.41.154.1 and 86.40.176.99, did you notice! now go continue your love life with oranjblud 86.40.179.32 (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Fetching coordinates from wikidata
Tired of waiting for action, and unable to make sense of info snippets offered, I have developed ParseWDCoords which will do that job. I'd like to hear any thoughts from you before I go fully public (or not). Examples are in Madridejos, Cebu and Bantayan Airport. -- Unbuttered parsnip  (talk) mytime= Sat 08:12, wikitime=  00:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the sort of thing that should be discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates or perhaps Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edit of Ossett
Thanks for that - I'd come across the ATOCConnectingCommunitiesReportS10 template, and because of a lack of documentation on it, I'd assumed that it couldn't take a page value - I should have looked at the source (but not all editors would do that...).

I also thought that it was a little bit restricted in that it couldn't be used when listing the report in the list of sources when using shortened footnotes because it includes. This is different for the usual style of rail book citation templates (and also it is less obvious what the template is doing for a less experienced editor coming across it).

As a result, I made a start on creating a new draft template (at User:Robevans123/sandbox/Template:ATOC Connecting Communities Report). I'd appreciate your comments.

If it's OK, I'll move the changes into the ATOCConnectingCommunitiesReportS10 template. BTW I think my choice of name is a bit easier to read, but maybe that could be done later. Cheers Robevans123 (talk) 00:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW there are at least two articles (Ashington railway station and Blyth railway station) that are at least halfway to using shortened footnotes, and would thus benefit from using, but without the surrounding ref functionality. Robevans123 (talk) 10:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've been thinking about that. Something along the lines of making the enclosing </ref> tags (which are generated by the  parser function) conditional. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That's interesting - well beyond my current template editing expertise! However, I do think that just removing the <ref ></ref> part would then make the template work in exactly the same way as all templates in Category:Rail transport book citation templates and Category:Rail transport external link citation templates which all (I think - I've not checked them all...) just use cite book or cite web without the surrounding ref functionality. Robevans123 (talk) 11:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If I simply remove the  coding, that will leave a bare, so we would then need to go through all of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:ATOCConnectingCommunitiesReportS10&hidelinks=1 these pages] adding the <ref ></ref> otherwise the citation will appear in the text, not in the refs. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing my p mistakes to page - that was stupid of me.
 * Yes - I foresaw that problem and had been thinking about it. One solution would be to upload my draft User:Robevans123/sandbox/Template:ATOC Connecting Communities Report into template space and then go through the articles on the list changing from the old template to the new (and adding <ref ></ref>). I'm planning to sweep through the list once more anyway (to add page numbers if I can find the appropriate page in the report, and also to wikilink to the article where it's actually mentioned - been done on some pages but I was going check all the pages on the list). Doing the change like this would have the advantage that no articles would be left in a comprising position, even for a short time.
 * It would also have the advantage of improving the template name (the S10 part of the name seems a bit superfluous being related to the file name and not the report title), and all the templates in Category:Rail transport external link citation templates use spaces, although the ones in Category:Rail transport book citation templates do use a mix of styles of dashes, spaces, and CamelCase... I think the template probably does belong in Category:Rail transport external link citation templates as they all use cite web, rather than Category:Rail transport book citation templates which (I think ) all use cite book. Certainly the current template sitting alone in Category:Templates for references seems a bit odd. BTW I'm not opposed to CamelCase (having worked in the computer industry for many years I'm familiar with it, and sometimes use it myself when scripting), but it does seem to be something that trips up people who are not familiar with it.
 * Sorry to nag on about naming styles, but still being a relatively new editor, I still remember the mass of templates etc. that you have to get to grips with as you're finding your way round Wikipedia...
 * I do believe that the purpose of current template (by including <ref ></ref> and so hiding it from the editor) would not be obvious to someone coming fresh to the article, but if the <ref ></ref> syntax was visible an experienced railway editor would "get it" straight away, and a newbie editor would at least recognise that it had something to do with referencing. It does seem unusual to have a citation template that includes <ref ></ref> - I'm sure there are some but I don't think I've come across any yet...
 * Again, switching templates would also have the advantage of easily using the new template in lists of sources without any need for additional conditional syntax.
 * After all articles have had their templates switched the old template could be deleted (which would keep PotW happy).
 * I'm happy to do the work if you think this is a good way to go. Feel free to edit my draft template if you want to change the name, documentation, or include the recent tweaks to functionality you made to.
 * Sorry this is a bit long-winded for a template that probably won't be used much again (although I am going to also check through whether there are any articles covering the "Other potential [not proposed] links" identified in Appendix C of the report would benefit from a reference), but I do believe that anything that makes the source text for articles more comprehensible is a "Good Thing". Cheers Robevans123 (talk) 17:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ooh, a lot to read - I'll do that later. But try adding no
 * No <ref ></ref> - instead, there's a harmless -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Neat trick - just saw it. Sorry for the long winded diatribe - I'll leave you to read it at your leisure... Robevans123 (talk) 17:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I amended it to no, because ref might be taken in relation to harv and similar. But you can use →  etc. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah - I was thinking how it would work with shortened footnotes and you fixed it!Robevans123 (talk) 17:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Used it at Ashington railway station - works a treat. Also experimented with changing the sfn ref name which worked well. Even experimented with using  to create a reference - which is a bit perverse, but does show that it is a ref in the source... Robevans123 (talk) 19:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no facility for changing the sfn ref name - if it "worked well", it was by coincidence. The template has ref hardcoded. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no facility for changing the sfn ref name - if it "worked well", it was by coincidence. The template has ref hardcoded. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

How silly of me. I made the vanilla change to Ashington railway station and previewed it (all fine), tried changing the sfn ref name and previewed it (thought it worked but obviously it didn't), then only half returned to my original edits (and didn't preview before saving - oops & sorry). Robevans123 (talk) 20:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Notice that Barnstaple railway station, which has two instances of previously combined them into one ref numbered 2 (a and b) in  but your addition of two different page params means that the refs are, nos. 2 & 3. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Cheers - this is cleaner. Robevans123 (talk) 15:50, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Railway56
I've given a final warning. Banhammer case now unlocked. Mjroots (talk) 17:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

HMS Arrow (1796) & HMS Acheron (1803)
Hi Redrose64, Rather than simply blanking info and leaving a cryptic message, why not just move the info? Acad Ronin (talk) 00:50, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Using the thumb option for images in the infobox (such as at and ) is undesirable, see Help:Infobox picture. As for the somewhat lengthy caption, see WP:CAPTION; in particular, it shouldn't be necessary to credit either the artist or the collection. This information should be held on the file description page, where it is easily obtainable by clicking the image. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Redrose64, I take your point about using captions rather than the thumb function. I disagree, regardless of WP:CAPTION, with not including both the artist and the NMM. One of the marvels of Wikipedia is that someone can click on links that catch their fancy. I want to make it as easy as possible for someone to look up the artist. As for the NMM, they specifically request that users of their images credit them. However, my greatest issue with your action was that you simply blanked the caption, instead of cutting it out and pasting it into the line below. You saved no work for yourself, and made extra work for me. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 00:36, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

More WhatLinksHere issues
Hi Redrose64! Thanks for identifying the issue with that was causing the incorrect WhatLinksHere entries. I think I've found two more issues when looking at Special:WhatLinksHere/1. One I documented at Template talk:Medref, while I think  causes a similar issue in articles such as List of Montreal Metro stations. Could you please use your template wizardry to fix these two templates as well? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:07, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I have fixed Medref, in Template:Medref/sandbox. I have not copied it to the main template. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMedref&diff=498425760&oldid=498340497 This edit, from 2012], appears to have changed the talk parameter's functionality. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:07, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * For the first, I commented on its talk page. For the second, I which should sort mislinking to four numbers and four colours, although there seem to be several other cases of  that I've not looked at. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:03, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! GoingBatty (talk) 00:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Since you insist on hammering the revert button without looking at what the edit actually did, you can fix the error that prevents  from displaying an icon. Useddenim (talk) 12:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw exactly what it did: it put pages into Special:WhatLinksHere/Green, etc., that had no business being listed there. This is what originally posted about, and this is what  does. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:07, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's easy to fix. Just eliminate the, . -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:58, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Level crossing accidents CFD
As the last participant in the Category:Level crossing accidents in the United States CFD, I suggested that it be renamed to Category:Railroad crossing accidents in the United States instead of the proposed Category:Grade crossing accidents in the United States. An admin closed the proposal as "move to Grade crossing...", but he also noted that another CFD regarding my proposal would be a valid option, so I've nominated Grade crossing accidents in the USA for renaming to Railroad crossing accidents in the USA. Please visit Categories for discussion/Log/2015 March 5 and offer your opinion, if you have one. Nyttend (talk) 02:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Email
You have an email Redrose64. TheGGoose (talk) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * My email provider decided that it was spam. Please note that I do not discuss Wikipedia matters off-wiki, except at organised meetups. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, this has been handled. TheGGoose (talk) 18:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
(Biota Tag at Biota of South America) - not sure what I was thinking there - there was a vague memory of a separate project that handled biota related subjects.. thanks for the revert - will have to go back to what I was thinking there.satusuro 11:34, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It was showing at Database reports/Broken WikiProject templates. Some of the banners listed there were clearly typos - such as  for  ; some were vandalism (like , see ); and some I couldn't explain, so rather than simply removing, I reverted the edit that added them, knowing that the person who added it would be informed. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it was from about 6 or 7 years ago some eds I had a lot to do with then were extensively expanding the biota part of the australian project. As it is I have found a miserably under-maintained project the subject that this is related to... sigh... satusuro 11:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

tools.wmflabs.org / templates
tools.wmflabs.org can use templates from en.wikipedia.org? I find that rather concerning, since there appears to be no way to tell that a template is used on labs. --  Gadget850talk 21:29, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to tell either, except that some years ago I was informed - I think by - how to amend the mapping services used by coordinates. When you click coordinates, there are some links in the left margin, and the four below "Views" all relate to Template:GeoTemplate. --  Red rose64 (talk) 21:43, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The only purpose of template:GeoTemplate is to be used by geohack.php. I have edited the talk page to make this clearer. Why should this be a concern? I do not know of any similar templates &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The matter arose during this TfD. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * And now I learned something new. Thanks. --  Gadget850talk 12:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Nah, you don't need javascript
Village pump (technical)/Archive 135


 * P --RexxS (talk) 22:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

UK placenames
I see you were recently reverting an editor who was making bulk changes to UK placenames, or rather changing them to something other than what they were originally. There was a discussion and resulting consensus on this here which can be used to inform people that such changes are against consensus. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 11:36, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The point of the consensus was that placenames should be left basically as they are, i.e. not changed at all. The articles you're reverting are not being reverted to their previous state, i.e. instead of saying "Cornwall, UK", they now all say "Cornwall, England", which is the kind of thing the consensus was aimed at avoiding, as it encourages edit warring. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:21, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The point is that it is redundant to name both England and United Kingdom (or UK), especially if Cornwall is linked - anybody who does not know where Cornwall is (and there must be billions) can click the link and find out. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Quite a lot of people think it isn't redundant and no agreement was reached on it. That discussion came about exactly because of this kind of problem. Someone adds "UK" everywhere, another person takes "UK" off, someone else takes "England" off and so on ad infinitum. The consensus (and up to now it had worked very well) was that bulk changes to placenames should cease. None of them are wrong and there is no "right way" to show UK placenames, so trying to enforce uniformity is unconstructive. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't mind whether "England" or "United Kingdom" is used; but it's pointless to add either of them if the other is already present. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, which is what Serpren was doing, and I left a note on his talk page since he seems to do it quite a lot. I find that quite a few people like to change placenames to suit their own preference and the "leave things as you find them" concept plus a link to the consensus works very well. Some editors are extremely touchy about it and I'm sure you can imagine the sort of carnage these arguments can cause. It's probably a fool's errand to get people to leave UK placenames alone, but I think it's worth it to try. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:47, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

London & Greenwich Railway
Do you buy Heritage Railway magazine? In the current issue (No.199, p84), there is a letter about a L&G locomotive being installed in a vessel that was used on an arctic survey in 1848. However, the name of the ship claimed to be the recipient does not tally with the article on said ship (HMS Hecla (1815)). The book London's First Railway: The London and Greenwich by R H G Thomas is quoted as a source. Mjroots (talk) 17:04, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ignore the above, I'm confusing myself. It was HMS Erebus (1826)! Mjroots (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't take that magazine - might though. What I do have is
 * which says that the London & Greenwich bought four 2-2-0 Planet-type locos from William Marshall & Sons, named Royal William, Royal Adelaide, Dottin (after the L&G Chairman) and Twells (after the L&G Deputy Chairman), later numbered 1-4 in September 1837 and of these, no. 4 "was also rebuilt [as a 2-2-2], probably in 1842, and in March 1845 was purchased by the Admiralty and installed aboard HMS Erebus (1826) as an auxiliary engine to drive a screw propellor. In May 1845, this vessel, in company with HMS Terror (1813) similarly equipped with an ex-London & Birmingham Railway engine (probably their No. 27) sailed under the command of Sir John Franklin to search for the North West Passage". -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:20, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Would you make the necessary correction to the HMS Terror article please? Mjroots (talk) 17:41, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There is some doubt about that, see
 * where several reasons are given that the engine installed in Terror was not L&BR no. 27, not least of which is its listing as an engine for sale on 5 May 1848 - two weeks after Terror was abandoned. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * where several reasons are given that the engine installed in Terror was not L&BR no. 27, not least of which is its listing as an engine for sale on 5 May 1848 - two weeks after Terror was abandoned. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * where several reasons are given that the engine installed in Terror was not L&BR no. 27, not least of which is its listing as an engine for sale on 5 May 1848 - two weeks after Terror was abandoned. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Morebath Junction Halt...Exe Valley Railway
This particular station has the name shown above rather than of just Morebath Junction (which is the name of the main railway station Wikipedia article heading), even though the article itself refers to the name of the station as Morebath Station Halt.

I note that you reverted my amendment as redinks are said to have been created by my amendement but may I ask why the name of the article itself cannot be changed to the correct name of Morebath Junction Halt, which would obviate any such error.

Medically, I am most unwell at present and it appears that another mini-stroke has just bee averted by my daily drugs medication.

Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 11:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * is how it was before. The link is blue: it goes to a page that exists. After, the link became red. You could have moved the page yourself, if it was named incorrectly. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:56, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your very prompt reply. What I would like you to do, if you are able, is to change the actual name (Morebath Junction) of the main Wikipedia article to read the correct name of Morebath Junction Halt, which would have left my original amendment as correct. Sorry to have taken so long to respond but I have been having a further series of blood and associated tests at Macclesfield Hospital and have only just returned home.


 * Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 23:25, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You can use the page move feature to give the article a new name. I've had blood tests too, going back more than five years: my C-reactive protein count was 77 mg/L and it took the Churchill Hospital some months to decide that I had sarcoidosis, but they still want more. Six or eight little tubes each visit, with variously-coloured caps - pale green, lilac, dark red ... -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:12, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Railway templates
I don't suppose I could get some advice. I've been improving Marshlink Line a little bit, and in my opinion the template showing the railway line is just far too wide - taking up what looks like half the real estate on screen. Is there any way of shrinking it down and giving it a sense of proportion? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:54, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There are two things that affect the width of an RDT: one is the longest item of text on the right, the other is the number of cells defined for the actual diagram. This is not the number of occupied cells, but the potential number; so if the diagram uses predominantly but with a few bigger ones, it's the bigger ones that define the width for the whole diagram. In this case there were six instances of  so the diagram was 9 cells wide, even though the widest part (Lydd Camp down to New Romney and Littlestone-on-Sea) occupied five cells. In order to keep the main line straight, and accommodate the two projections to the left, six cells in total are needed; so I, to use  where necessary but  where possible. I then  and reduced . -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:32, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That looks a lot better. One of the other question - what causes inline thumb images to only start below the infobox? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:53, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not that they start below the infobox, but that they start below the upper edge of, and that is forced down by the infobox. If you move that diagram down to a position after the images, the images will float higher up. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * One more question - the diagram shows two bridge crossings of the A2070, but none of the level crossings with the A259, which at least one book source claims was a key reason the line never shut. Is this just an editorial oversight, or do we not normally document road and footpath crossings (presumably due to the abundance of them?) <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:28, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Road crossings are contentious. Some hold that none should be included, since railway RDTs should show rail features; others try to include as much as possible, which can make them unwieldy (compare that with the current version). -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * In that situation (like most things I do around here) I would avoid hard and fast rules and go back to the basics of only including non-rail crossings if reliable sources document them as being important. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:32, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for helping me fix the Delphine Software International article
I just want to say thanks for helping me fix up the Delphine Software International article. 24.180.56.157 (talk) 21:06, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be . -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:20, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

just a wee 'ta'
the edit/diff on the scottish railway station was v helpful - thanks for that... satusuro 14:30, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Question about "protecting edits"
Thank you for your help on Purple Awareness Ribbon edit = Trisomy 18. I was reading about protected edits and trying to introduce this around our edit. Am I mistaken about that option? Is this something I can accomplish myself in Edit mode? Confused Redrose 64. Any guidance appreciated. Trisomy18Foundation (talk) 23:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, when you wish to edit a particular page, you find that you cannot do so because the page is protected. In such cases, the template is used to request that somebody with an appropriate user right make the edit on your behalf.
 * If the page is not protected (as in the case of List of awareness ribbons, whose last protection [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=protect&page=List_of_awareness_ribbons expired 16:33, 6 November 2014]), there is no need to use, and doing so will place an unnecessary entry in the list of outstanding protected edit requests. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

RfC
Re my attempt to open an RfC. Hi. Was it my commentabout how long the info has been on a page. Sorry - it is the first time I have raised an RfC.__DrChrissy (talk) 00:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You the template, as a result of which your comment was appearing on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Rfc&hideredirs=1&hidelinks=1&limit=250 over 100 pages] which were of no relevance. To comment on an existing RfC, follow these instructions. To start a new RfC, follow these instructions. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You . Please don't. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ...Yikes! Really sorry!  Will look at the instructions again! Do I need to do anything to delete/redact these messages?__DrChrissy (talk) 00:35, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I already did that, by reverting you (twice). -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that ...I promise I won't send you any 3R messages ;-) __DrChrissy (talk) 00:52, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

London Meet-up
Good to see you again at the last meet-up. To celebrate our beer tasting on the day, there is now an article, By The Horns, complete with images. Edwardx (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Circa
Hi Redrose. I've replied on my talk page. Thanks for (very diplomatically) pointing this out. Skinsmoke (talk) 15:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox person
Hi Redrose64,

I was wondering whether you could make / advise about making changes to Template:Infobox person as follows:

At the moment the:

Blank template with all parameters

reads:

Can this be reordered as follows?:

This has been up for discussion at Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 24. I think that the reasoning makes sense but no responses were given. What do you think? GregKaye 16:44, 26 March 2015 (UTC) This page has been protected to prevent editing or other actions."
 * The documentation is not protected, but please note that the order that named parameters (such as these five) are given is immaterial, they will display in the order defined by the template code. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I pressed view source in template tabs and got the text:
 * "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:
 * Any other options? I may propose the change in proposals at the pump. GregKaye 18:31, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If you get that message, you're trying to edit the template, not its documentation. At Template:Infobox person use the edit links that are within the green box headed "Template documentation". If you like, you can use the "[view]" link to the right of that heading first, that will take you to the doc page with all the usual edit tabs and links. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:51, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Wigan Junction Railway template
I do need your help and assistance upon a certain matter. The template quite correctly shows the terminal station of Wigan Central at the top of the template, as that indeed was the most northern station on this railway, being opened in 1892. The next closed station shown being that of Lower Ince.

The problem is that when the original line stations were opened in 1884, the northern terminus was that of Wigan Darlington Street. That station is not shown upon the template. Because of the not ideal situation occupied by Wigan Darlington Street, a half-mile northern extention was made in 1892 to the new terminal station of Wigan Central. The matter is clearly stated in the text matter of the "Disused Stations" entry for Wigan Central station which I quote as my source as requested.

From past discussions that you have had had with me in past days where my post-stroke condition has been mentioned, having looked at the rather frightening computer coding at the top of the "Edit" section, may I be so kind as to ask your good self to cause Wigan Darlington Street station to be entered upon the said template between Wigan Central and Lower Ince.

Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 15:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Am I right in thinking that Darlington Street is the station marked "G.C. Goods" on this map? The junction for that is shown as 39 chains south of "Central Pass G.C." - and 39 chains is only 22 yards less than half a mile. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:01, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I have looked at the Railway Clearing House diagram link that you mention and indeed this this case where G.C.Goods is shown. It was similar in effect to where Manchester Oldham Road station is shown by Wikipedia on the Manchester and Leeds Railway template, where an original terminal station that once handled passenger traffic is shown and my comments used that as a precedent. I do so hope that Wigan Darlington Street can now be accorded the same historical honour by being shown as an entry upon the Wikipedia Wigan Junction Railways template. I trust that the source information that I originally submitted was of interest to you.
 * Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 04:16, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅, see Wigan Junction Railways and Template:Wigan Junction Railway. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:59, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Continued deletion of my entry
I do think that the fact that the Piccadilly Line is operating on outdated signalling equipment is a fact rather than something that is biased. The information is not verifiable via citation, but whilst Wikipedia would like citations for every fact, it just doesn't happen. It is, however, information that has been verified through speaking with the controller on 11 March which makes it considerably more verified than hearsay as information has been provided by a technical person on the staff. I don't think its appropriate to keep deleting my entry. I did remove the reference to Windows 3.0 not because that was not true, but because it seems to be a level of information that was not otherwise, elsewhere represented in the entry. How would you recommend I word it? Xintiandi (talk) 12:42, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Verifiability is a core policy. Neutral point of view is another. No original research is a third. Unless your proposed text satisfies all three of these, it doesn't belong. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:24, 27 March 2015 (UTC)