User talk:Redtigerxyz/Archive1

Regarding your edit to Ganesha:
Your recent edit to Ganesha (diff) was reverted by automated bot. The edit was identified as adding either vandalism or link spam to the page. If this revert was in error, please contact the bot operator. Thanks! // VoABot II 12:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in Ganesha. Ganeshji's page needs improvement and hopefully we all can help. I reverted your edit to Ganesha regarding wives because the section on his marital status is complex and the brief summary of it in the sidebox is particularly difficult because this is a multifaced topic. I hope you will use the talk page for the Ganesha article to expand on what your goal was with the edit so we can exchange views on this interesting subject. ॐ गं गणपतये नमः Buddhipriya 23:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in Ganesha and the Ganesha Purana. I hope we can all find ways to improve these pages. In the future please try to add citations when you add content to the pages, as we are trying to raise the level of documentation on these pages. You may also use the talk pages prior to making substantive edits if you feel anything should be added that cannot be cited but which you feel is important to add. Perhaps someone else can confirm the fact for you, and then it can be added. I will revert move some of the uncited changes you made to the talk pages which conflict with the previously cited facts so their accuracy can be confirmed. You may also use the tag to ask for someone else to help you locate a citation. Thanks again for your helpful crosslinking of articles also. Buddhipriya 15:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I reverted your addition of material to Ganesha because you did not cite sources and the material conflicts with established academic views of the development of that deity. What book did you get the material from? I would like to read it so we can exchange views about the quality of the source. I can see from your edit history that you share my love for Ganeshji, and I wish that you would join with me in improving the page by adding more cited references. The need for citations is currently one of the priorities in the Hinduism project. If you do not have citations but believe something to be true, you can add unreferenced material to the talk page and then others can react to the materials before they go onto the main article. Please join in the discussion on the talk page, we would love to have your input there. Thank you again for the many wikilinks you are adding to various pages. They are of great benefit to tie this broad material together. Buddhipriya 16:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your edits to Sritattvanidhi
Thank you for your interest in the Sritattvanidhi article, which can use a lot of improvement. Please, can you tell me what specific book you are using for the edits you are making? This work is subject to many, many errors in the popular editions, so it would be very helpful if you please cite sources. I have three different books that claim to present the Sritattvanidhi forms, and none of them agree completely with one another. The Sanskrit source I have for it is very defective as it is in a devotional work of low quality. Perhaps you have been able to identify a source that differs from what I have, I which case I would like to get the ISBN number so I can obtain a copy for comparison. I have done nothing yet to try to improve the edit quality of the article as I have been working on the Ganesha article and others related to him. I appreciate your interest in these topics and would like to work collaboratively with you get better citations for all of the articles. Please review the Wiki policy regarding how to add citations when adding content: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#When_you_add_content Buddhipriya 06:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Please provide more detail on citations
In the Ganesha and the mouse edit you referenced Ganapati Atharvashirsa - Verse 9. As the article on that scripture explains, every edition uses different line numbers. In the future please specify which edition you are using and provide a book citation. Buddhipriya 18:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

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Ganesha page
Thank you for your suggestions for improvements. I will begin looking at them during the coming week. There will be a general copyedit of the article and some can be integrated at that time. Some would require structural changes to the article, which needs to be considered carefully. A priority for this week is to overhaual the reference formats and make sure that all the citations are converted without loss of information. That is uncovering various minor points that can be referenced now, such as the mouse. Buddhipriya 16:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks
Hi brother i aM Vishal Prakash Dudhane -- Vishal1976, main editor of Khandoba , Jyotiba , Maratha clan system etc. I contribute a lot to wikipedia under the user name Vishal1976. But vandalist user Venu62 and Meltetis etc vandalisise my grate work and kidnapped my articles. The also got me banned from Wikipedia. You seem to be good god beliver and removed vandalism at Khandoba. Very thanks. Do the same at other articles andrescue our heritage from vandalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.247.141.189 (talk) 07:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC).
 * I have edited Khandoba article summarising the story keeping the Wikipedia standards in consideration. Please take a look.--Redtigerxyz 14:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Khandoba article
This article, as with any article in Wikipeida needs to follow WP:MOS and needs to be written in a manner suitable to be included in an encyclopedia. Garbage and nonsense like those added by the indefinitly blocked idiot Vishal1976, who has left the above message anonymously, will be immediately reverted. Parthi talk/contribs 04:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Your edits were fine. However I will need to continue reverting the edits by the idiot vishal976 Parthi talk/contribs 19:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries to explain edits
Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. &#2384; Priyanath talk 16:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do not remove sourced content
Please do not remove material that is sourced by specific footnotes. If you are concerned that something that is sourced by a footnote may not be right, please raise the issue on the talk page. This edit removed material sourced by Gupta's study of regional variation in beliefs about Skanda. I have restored the material you removed and have added a second footnote specifically on the point that you disputed. Since there are multiple uses of names for deities, if you wish to add additional references regarding this issue, feel free to cite WP:RS or bring the subject up on the talk page to ask for help in locating references. Buddhipriya 17:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Check out Khandoba article. Khandoba is believed to Shiva, also referred as 'Martand Bhairava' in Malhari Mahatmya, the chief source of Khandoba legend, apart from folk songs. Bhairava as u kmow is an aspect of Shiva.'The name Martand, designating in Vedic sources the sun or sun god- The Life and Teachings of Sai Baba of Shirdi By Antonio Rigopoulos pg.111. Also, Khandoba is our family deity. Plz trust on the info about Him.

Though as stated in 'Indian Sociology Through Ghurye: Indian Sociology Through Ghurye: A Dictionary By S. Devadas Pillai', Ghurye first tried to identify with Skanda in his 'Men and Gods' on just the fact that 'Champa Shasthi(birthday of Khandoba) coincides with Skanda Shasthi' but then in next book 'Anatomy', he set aside this idea.

In 'Khandoba:Ursprung,Geschiche und Umvelt von Pastoralem Gotheiten in Maharashtra, Wiesbaden 1976(German with English Synopsis)pg. 180-98, "Khandoba is a local deity in Maharashtra and been Sanskritised as an incarnation of Shiva."

Also Khandoba in all his 12 main temples is worshipped as a Lingam. Mostly twin lingas one for Him and the other for Mhalsa, his first wife. Ever heard Skanda worshipped as Lingam? --Redtigerxyz 13:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Moved the issue to Shiva discussion page.--Redtigerxyz 14:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

May 2007
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Krishna
Hello RedTiger - Nice job on starting the Nara Narayana article and thank you for your edits to the Krishna article. I hope you do not mind me doing some minor clean-up in terms of the layout etc... following on from your edits. I've also done this with a lot of the articles where you have added the new Krishna category, just so that all of the categories each have their own line, and are thus easily readable to other editors. Best wishes, Gouranga(UK) 18:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Spam links
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 * '''I am going to have to remove all the links that you have added / diffs

The site i added is the official site of Maharashtra Tourism Development co.( A state run organisation).--Redtigerxyz 14:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Tibetan Ganpati Image
Hi Redtigerxyz, Can you please describe in the Image summary section, what object this image is a photograph of ? That information is needed to ensure the "PD-art" license is applicable to this image, which is used on the Ganesha page. We want to nominate the article for Featured status and are currently in the process of confirming that all the images used comply with the licensing requirements (see discussion on Talk:Ganesha). Thanks. Abecedare 01:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The Image is a photo of a Tibetian Thangka.--Redtigerxyz 14:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the information. But do you know which Tibetian Thangka, or rather how old the Thangka is ? If it is (roughly) more than a century old, and we have some evidence for that, we can continue to use it on wikipedia without any problem under the PD-art license. However if the piece is newer or if we simply don't know how old it is, we will unfortunately need to delete it from wikipedia. Note that all that matters for our purposes is the age of art (i.e. the Thangka) - and not the age of the photograph itself.
 * I don't have any personal wish to exclude images such as Image:GanpatiTibetan.jpg or Image:Ganapati.jpg from the Ganesha article; however the copyright rules on wikipedia are non-negotiable, and all the images in the page will receive strict scrutiny once the article is nominated for Featured status. I am just trying to preempt reviewer's objections before that stage is reached. Thanks. Abecedare 17:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Changed Tibetian Ganapati image to Image:TibetianGanpati.jpg as i do not have any evidence on paper to prove that earlier picture was a century old Thangka.--Redtigerxyz 08:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, the new image is fine ! I changed the license information from to  so that it is clear why "The Metropolitan Museum of Art" cannot copyright the  photograph, even though it claims the image is copyrighted at the bottom of the linked page. Thanks for your effort. Abecedare 08:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Redtigerxyz, can you please add information about the Vakratunda painting so that it is clear that applies to the image ? Also, in general, it is useful to add the source URL from which you obtain the painting. At the moment this is not a requirement for PD-old, PD-art etc images, but there have been several discussions in which the view has been expressed that this information should be included in order to verify that the object is what is claimed. So I would not be too surprised if this became a rule on wikipedia in the future and  images without source information are deleted en masse (as is currently happening with images that do not have a explicitly written and detailed fair use rationale). So I would highly recommend that you add source URLs whenever you upload images from a website. Thanks. Abecedare 06:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above comment also applies to Image:Ekdanta.jpg. Great job on locating these images - hopefully we will soon have a large pool of candidates from which to select the final set of candidates. Abecedare 06:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Ganesh images
Details for Vakratunda.jpg and Ekdanta.jpg have been provided can u just go through and correct licensing if neceesary.--Redtigerxyz 06:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Also i located many images including Vakratunda.jpg(though my initial source was different) on www.vishvarupa.com. This link next gives the terms and conditons of image use http://www.vishvarupa.com/zz-terms-conditions.shtml. Please go through them and tell me if any of the images can be used. --Redtigerxyz 06:59, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately the Vishvarupa licensing terms are incompatible with wikipedia since they disallow commercial use and modification/derivatives. So any image for which the copyright is truly owned by the website will have to be deleted from wikipedia, unless it is being used under fair use (which as I stated earlier is hard to justify).
 * However I noticed, that the Image:Vakratunda.jpg page says that it is "Indian Art - By Vidya Dehejia", which I assume means that it is shown in one of her books. Is that right, and if so does she say how old the painting is ? Such information may allow us to retain the image on wikipedia! Similarly, Image:Ekdanta.jpg is listed as "Mysore style painting of Ganesha" - again can you also list how old the painting is, and how that can be verified (for example, by specifying the source website or book that contains the description)?
 * I listed some simple image licensing information on Buddhipriya's talk page. You may be interested in looking it over too - it outlines why information about the age of the painting is so critical for our purpose. Cheers. Abecedare 07:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Repost of Dip snap
Please don't repost deleted content, as you did with Dip snap. It was a word-for-word recreation of a deleted article. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 02:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

What do u mean?? What is Dip Snap?--Redtigerxyz 07:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It was an article deleted at Articles for deletion/Dip snap and, according to the page history) recreated by someone logged in under your username. (The history has been deleted now, or I would link to it.) As the text was identical to the previous version, which had been created by a different user who did not seem to have any connection to you, I was wondering how you had gotten access to it. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 12:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Great image
that's a much better image - thanks. --Joopercoopers 10:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Taj
Last year I concluded the Taj Mahal needed a full rewrite. I got to here and realised it was getting too large. The current intention is Origins and architecture of the Taj Mahal will form one of a suite of articles about the complex. The main taj article will use summary style and refer to the Origins and architecture of the Taj Mahal and the Taj Mahal in history and culture as separate daughter articles that will examine more detail. --Joopercoopers 12:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not want you to do this - with respect, I want to get the nice quiet 'origins' article up to FA status and then look at the main article - there's a coherant strategy in what I'm proposing, and the content fork is valid. Your images are lovely, please leave me to continue my work. --Joopercoopers 13:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As I said - I'm fine with you adding the information about Jahan and Mumtaz into their respective articles. --Joopercoopers 13:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Groan, do we have to? One of the reasons I've done it this way around is the main article gets bombed everyday from high school vandalism and PN Oak supporters - I want to spend my time writing, not reverting. When I'm happy with the 'origins' article we can talk about what to do with it. please? --Joopercoopers 13:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks --Joopercoopers 13:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I notice you're a relative newcomer to wikipedia and I mean this with the greatest of respect - if you want to have a full debate about this - please equip yourself with the facts and background - My talk page is a good start, you definitely need Talk:Taj Mahal/Archive3, user:geogre talk page also has some discussion as does user:Awadewit's. User:nemonoman's user page shows some stress in dealing with the issues - you need to know some policy about content forking at Content forking and summary style and how they relate to WP:SIZE. Basically I'm being WP:BOLD and sorting the articles out in a fully referenced academic and NPOV way and trying to avoid the attention of the POV pushers while I do it - when I do finally post it all to the main Taj Mahal article, I want both of the daughter articles sorted, referenced and up to scratch so they can be defended against unsourced POV additions  - I'll then be happy to discuss whatever anyone asks of me. You want me to a. Jump the gun and b. merge content into an article that can't possibly deal with all the information in one place (Per WP:SIZE) - we can have a discussion on the talk of Taj - after the quality article is posted. (It may get reverted if the WP:CONSENSUS is they preferred it the way that it was - in the meantime - Origins will be taken to WP:FAC and User:Joopercoopers/Taj Mahal/restructure will stay in my userspace until it's good enough to replace the main article - if you check the revision history it's based on the mainspace article anyway. --Joopercoopers 14:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes - I want you to reconsider you opinion that the articles should be merged in light of the background information I've outlined above - The subject of the Taj is quite extensive - too extensive for one article - so whilst we both want to see the main Taj article improved - we currently differ about the way to achieve this - to merge it now means the other expansions I've talked about - ie. The subsequent history of the Taj and it's role in global culture will have to be put into separate article anyway - I'm building this suite of articles from the bottom up - You've just parachuted in and declared 'merge' because the 'origins' article is of greater quality than the main article - but you want to do this against the express wishes of the principle author and without properly taking the trouble to find out why it's been done that way - I don't want to open the thing up for discussion on the talk page, and I will defend my article against attempts to merge it. Please just let me go about my business improving these articles without your interferrance - it's not helping. --Joopercoopers 15:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

If you would like to help, feel free to edit User:Joopercoopers/Taj Mahal/restructure which will replace/merge into the main article at a later stage - I also need the following free images:- Cheers --Joopercoopers 15:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) interior of the jawab
 * 2) interior of the mosque.
 * 3) interior of the takhana or/and exterior of the riverfront terrace towers
 * 4) half decent pre 1906 early photograph of the garden showing it's overgrown and picturesque nature.
 * 5) better pic of the great gate
 * 6) pic of the inner subsidiary tombs
 * 7) Jilaukhana preferably with the bazaar street
 * 8) Preserved gate in Taj Ganj
 * 9) Western waterworks
 * 10) detail pic of the fountains in the Moonlight garden.

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I have only brightened the previously uploaded image.--Redtigerxyz 12:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Tag is placed--Redtigerxyz 13:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Sritattvanidhi
In case you did not see it, there is a message on the talk page for the Sritattvanidhi reporting that the editor who did all the work to upload the images and text is now planning on leaving Wikipedia due to your unilateral removal of that content. I think you should consider this incident carefully and make greater efforts in the future to try to reach consensus with other editors before making such dramatic changes. As a specific action you may wish to respond to the editor's comments either directly to him, or on the talk page for the article. Buddhipriya 22:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * there's already a discussion going on on INB about MoS. Its not attracting too many people though.  Feel free to contribute there, I'll join in when I can.  Thanks. Sarvagnya 18:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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 * Added to Vitthal article.--Redtigerxyz 07:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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Tag is added.--Redtigerxyz 12:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Nara-Narayana
Hello RedTiger - I'm not being deliberately pedantic on this article (honest). I just really don't like the negative conotations that go with the word idol. I don't think this is so obvious in English language as spoken in India, as it is in English language in the west - where the concepts such as murti and diety are hardly known. Idol = Idol Worship for many in this instance. I realise you have done the majority of work on this article, and I have hardly touched it really. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 07:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've made little or no edits to this article, so will leave the matter to you to decide. As a native english speaker I find the argument somewhat frustrating.


 * Definition of Idol :
 * 1. a. An image used as an object of worship. [incorrect as murthis are not worshipped as objects]
 * 1. b. A false god. [incorrect according to NPOV]
 * 2. One that is adored, often blindly or excessively. [again, not NPOV]
 * 3. Something visible but without substance. [again, not NPOV]
 * Regards, Gouranga(UK) 15:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Page protection
Hi, Pages can only be protected by admins. You can request protection through WP:AN/I. Vishal is an idiot. Don't worry about him. Parthi talk/contribs 20:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:CON
Please read Consensus. Despite no support expressed on your behalf, and despite the fact that only my objections were on the talk page, you have begun making unilateral cuts to Ganesha. I appeal to you to use the talk page for that mature article and seek collaboration rather than conflict as you did on Sritattvanidhi. Buddhipriya 08:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Courtright
I just want to mention that I respect your point of view regarding the sexual content in Courtright. We are in agreement that his psychoanalytic interpretations (which make up only a small part of the book) make no sense within a Hindu cultural perspective. At the same time, as a matter of intellectual principle I cannot endorse censorship, which would be the effect of systematic removal of this book. To participate in censorship would be an even greater offense, as it would violate one of the most basic principles of academic dialog, which is to permit the open exchange of views on all matters. While I do not share the perspective that Courtright brings, it is a perspective that is consistent with his own Western academic training. Thus it cannot be dismissed out of hand.

As I mentioned on the Ganesha article, I agree that Western sexualization of Indian materials is a serious problem. For an example of a current edit war on just this subject, see: Kama Sutra, where even today an editor who mostly edits sexual articles is now undoing a balanced article. I invite your comment there if you wish to see a live case where poor sourcing and sexual are in evidence. This is just one of the articles where over the past several months I have tried to give a more balanced cultural perspective. I give this example only to illustrate that we share some of the same cultural values, and that I, like you, am often frustrated by the Wikipedia environment. In fact, I am being accused of cultural bias for removing sexual content:. Buddhipriya 06:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Link to Tara
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 * Thanks for the clarification. By the way, could you take a look at some of the links here and link to the appropriate Tara-related titles for the subjects with which you're familiar? (If you have a few spare minutes, of course.) I've cleaned up most of them (which no longer appear on that list), but some of them aren't obvious or clear to me. Mind  matrix  14:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Working on it:

The Links: Phoenicia (links) - no idea about what place it is speaking about

Scoti (links) it is about Celtic god called Tara but i did not find a Celtic god called Tara. Can be Taranis

List of castles in the Republic of Ireland (links)

Tara (disambiguation) (links)

Sugriva (links)

List of people from Karnataka (links) It is about an actress Tara whose article is not present on wikipedia

List of geological features on Europa (links) it is about Celtic god called Tara but i did not find a Celtic god called Tara. Can be Taranis

List of Indian film actors (links) It is about an actress Tara whose article is not present on wikipedia

List of castles in Ireland (links)

Tara, Russia (links)

Tamara (links)

Mark Tremonti (links) started discussion

Paddy Keenan (links) started discussion

Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche (links)

WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Hotlist of Mythology & Folklore/T (links)

Khaidi (links)

Glossary of terms in Hinduism (links)

List of tallest buildings and structures in Ireland (links) Tamara (name) (links)

Mechanic Alludu (links)

Saint Arbogast (links)

454 in Ireland (links)

461 in Ireland (links)

482 in Ireland (links)

Veta (film) (links)

Gharana Mogudu (links) Vali vadha (links)

Muddina Maava (links) Art of Champa (links)

Siberian Route (links)

Dražeta (links) no idea

The Boyhood Deeds of Fionn (links)


 * Thanks for the help! It seems that new links are being added (albeit not too frequently), so I'll keep a watch on it. Mind  matrix  13:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Yoga poll
Hi! There's some discussion on whether using "asana", "yogasana" or "yoga asana" as the article title. If you are acquainted with the subject, you are invited to drop your opinion at Talk:Yogasana. Davin7 09:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks a lot for uploading all these images of Nepal, आपल्या धन्यवाद आहे! Btw, do you know anything more about these images or some place where more information can be found about these images? --Eukesh 04:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Specifically which images???????--Redtigerxyz 11:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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Sai Baba of Shirdi
I think it's OK to include this, it is sourced by Sharada Devi's speech. Best regards Kkrystian 19:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * But look this sentence only states "Sharada Devi, claims" therefore it's OK because it is sourced by what she said. It may not be OK if it was written: "Sai Baba of Shirdi told SHarade Devi that he would be reborn eight years later ..." but now it' s perfectly fine. Kkrystian 13:41, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I agree to your compromise solution. Kkrystian 14:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Shaktism
Hi Redtigerxyz:

Thanks for your photo edits on the Shaktism page. As you may have noted, I am in the process of expanding the article. I hope you will continue to share your insights and suggestions.

I did want to note that, while I agree that the pre-existing Ardhanari/Shiva-Shakti pic was not great (some other user had placed it there long ago, and I was focusing more on text than pics), I decided to use the Elephanta Ardhanari rather than the Chola bronze you posted.

My reasoning isn't arbitrary, and I wanted to explain: You see, the Chola bronze is a classic Shaiva Ardhanareshwara, as indicated by the fact Siva's side is given two arms (to suggest Ishwara, Lord) while the Shakti side is given only one arm (to suggest Nari; femininity, but lesser divinity). Especially in the context of the discussion on the Shiva-Shakti dynamic in Shaktism, I felt a more balanced representation -- two arms for both halves -- was the preferable choice.

Please do let me know if you'd like to discuss this matter further! Thanks again for your input -- it is turning out to be a big job! - Devi (Devi bhakta 23:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC))

Matrikas
Hey there. I took a look at this page. It looks to me like it's a B class article. I started a peer review process for it.

TheRingess (talk) 02:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd be happy to review it. It may take me a little bit, as I'm in the middle of some other reviews. Van Tucky  talk 19:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Shaktism
Hi again:

Thanks for your note, and for your help. I will add a notation to the "Shaktism" discussion page. Basically, at this point, the changes -- both large and small -- are so extensive it would be almost impossible to note each one.

Since you are keeping an eye on the progress, I'd mention that my changes and expansions are basically complete from the top down to the "Puranas" intro. Below that, I have not done much except add heads and subheads for later, and move around some pre-existing text from the article as it was. Anything below the Puranas intro is very raw and very much "under construction."

I see you removed the Yakshini thumb. My reason for including it was the Upanisad section's reference to the Devi taking the form of a yakshini, and also the Epic section's reference to the Goddess-oriented fertility cults of the early Shungas and Mauryas. I dunno; I just want to balance that list of Upanisads (which is not my addition; it was here; and -- as much as possible -- I've tried to keep what was there). I might try adding a Wikimedia Commons example of a Shunga devi; please let me know if you have concerns.

Again, thanks for your encouraging words and subtle improvements. Your user page looks interesting; it is nice to "e-meet" you.

Best regards - Devi (Devi bhakta 13:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

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Lalitha pic
I saw the British Museum pic you'd added to the Lalitha Sahasranamam section of the "Shaktism" article. It looked a little blurry so I've tried a different one more in the "calendar art" style, which I also preferred for clearly showing Sri Chakra associations and sugar-cane bow, etc. Please let me know if you disagree. I do appreciate your input on illustrations. A clearer pic of that statue would be great to see also.

By the way, I got thru "Bhakti" today with lots of other small changes throughout and a couple of more footnotes corrected. I also set in a list of links to non-Tantric devis (to be padded out later) to complement the Mahavidya list also started. So my next step in principle plus tantric devis, which I will probably insert simultaneously with Tantric lit and philosophy section. Thinking on developing the lead section a bit once the final sections of revision begin to materialize. Should be interesting! Hope to talk more soon ... (Devi bhakta 01:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC))

Rukmini Dwarakadisa
I'm sure :) They were personally installed by Srila Prabhupada in New Dwaraka temple, Los Angeles Chopper Dave 13:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm really sure. I'll contact a Godbrother there and find out the details for you. Chopper Dave 13:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Shaktism Images
yes I am the same Devi bhakta. I may need your help on this. The images are from a pile of old religious posters I purchased some years ago from an Indian antiquities dealer. They appear to be of all different ages. Some must be easily over 100 years old, some comparatively recent by unmarked and unidentified, except for sometimes an artist's signature in the painting itself in Roman or Devanagari script. Sometimes a three-digit telephone number in Bombay, which gives some idea. :-) None are dated. Most of these prints are too large to lay flat on my scanner, so they are photographed, then scanned, then Photoshopped to try to minimize effect of fading, yellowing etc. Some are larger pictures of a main devi, say Durga, surrounded by avatars such as the Mahavidyas, nine Durgas, etc. So resolution on smaller devis is less.

The Lajja Gauri is scanned from a book, which in turn attributes to the Archaeological Survey of India, all of which material is governmental and public domain as far as I am aware. Would you agree on this?

So ... how best to handle? As for a Fair Use inquiry, you clearly know better than I (my legal training is in the U.S., not India), but I would assume any Fair Use question is based on the rights on an identifiable copyright holder, which would not exist in the case of the prints. As you indicate (in the case of a recent photo of an ancient sculpture), what matters is less the topic of the image than the image itself. But in the U.S., at least, obtaining copyrights of expropriated subject matter (say, a screen print of the "Mona Lisa" [public domain] in multiple repeated images of different primary colors) is complex. Although I am not privy to the Indian case law, I would imagine that these prints are religious "ephemera" -- created expressly for calendars and prints, with rights neither reserved or expected (for reasons both commercial and spiritual), and then reused and borrowed from ad infinitum by other print companies for other purposes. They are produced in mass quantity, usually without copyright information -- because the printer themselves most likely aren't aware of the source or age.

Just my thoughts. I'd welcome any advices. Thanks for your note (Devi bhakta 15:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC))

Fair Use of Religious Iconograny (cont'd from above)
Was thinking this over and wanted to make one further point -- in case my tone or words suggest that I take this less than seriously, please be assured that i am quite serious. I have on my bookshelves any number of lovely art books full of perfect illustrations for this article -- but these books are recent, or the works they reproduced are recent and clearly identified as to artist and copyright. (Krishna Dharma's Mandala Press collections being prime examples) ... and so I don't use them. But grainy old B/W government survey photos and unmarked, undated prints from decades to a century old -- I think in such cases, "fair" use (especially for non-profit, non-commercial, educational use) is more or less a given unless a specific copyright owner steps forward, documents ownership and objects to the use. And even then, considering the nature of these paintings -- religious iconography clearly intended for devotional (rather than purely artistic or commercial) purposes, and for the most part devoid of identifying information and certainly copyright notices -- establishing such a proprietary interest would be challenging at best. I am all for protection of proprietary content rights, but to remove these illustrations under any legal argument I can think of seems patently absurd, and a victory over common sense. Keep in mind WP's rule #1 of "be bold" -- whatever doubt if any may exist as to the copyright status of these illustrations requires very little "boldness" indeed to acknowledge and overcome. What do you think? (Devi bhakta 15:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC))

The Lajja Gauri from the book can be copyrighted to the book owner or ASI. If it was a older painting then the image could be realeased as PD-art but the photo of the sculpture may not be fair use. Pictures for devotional purposes Like of Rama (one that used to be in the hmythobox), Mahalakshmi of Kolhapur, a picture of Khandoba scanned ; used in wiki articles were deleted in this year.--Redtigerxyz 14:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Photo of the Lajja Gauri sculpture, situate in Badami Museum, a facility of the Indian Archaeological Survey (Government of India), is fair use under Indian Copyright Act, 1957, as amended. "52. (1) The following acts shall not constitute an infringement of copyright, namely (t) the publishing of a painting, drawing, engraving or photograph of a sculpture, or other artistic work […] permanently situate in a public place or any premises to which the public has access." (Devi bhakta 17:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC))


 * Also The Tridevi image is attributed to Mr. V.V. Sapar; maybe the permission of the author may be required.--Redtigerxyz 14:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Still researching this. According to a consultation earlier today with Advocate N. Sankara Menon in Cochin, the use of copyrighted material is very liberally permitted by Indian copyright law with regards to not-for-profit and particularly educational not-for-profit publication in print or broadcast media, also under chapter 52, which is the fair use section of the copyright act. With regard to devotional and calandar prints and such, Mr. Menon added that "once these have been published anonymously 50 times (which would include both print and Internet uses), as such all copyright is lost." His feeling being that this is presumably the case in any devotional work older than a few years. In any event, again, he is continuing his research and will thereafter prepare a formal legal opinion for publication with these images. Please let me know if you have additional concerns not covered by this statutory law. (Devi bhakta 18:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC))

Devi Mahatmya
Please let me know your opinion on the above article and how it can be improved. Thanks. --Sankarrukku 13:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Matrikas article
Hi, I added some quotes from the perfect article which are applicable to Matrikas. I'm not quite sure I understand what you were asking, but this should help you out. Let me know if you still have questions. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 21:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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Renaming Buddha article
Hi Redtigerxyz - as you are one who contributed repeatedly to the discussion at Talk:Gautama Buddha, I was wondering if you'd be inclined to identify a vote for the actual renaming of the current Buddha article at Talk:Buddha. If so, I'd appreciate it. Your vote would increase the chances of getting a thoughtful consensus (or, at least, plurality) on this matter. Whether you get a chance to vote or not, I wish you well, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 04:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Redtigerxyz - thanks for the quick, earnest and thoughtful response. For what it's worth, based on my own infinitely limited knowledge:
 * Buddha - refers to a person who attains enlightenment
 * Buddhahood - refers to the state so attained
 * Bodhi - is typically translated as "enlightenment" or, as the PTS Pali-English Dictionary notes, "the knowledge possessed by a Buddha"
 * I think Nat and I were both somewhat taken aback to find Buddhahood redirecting to Bodhi because it implies that all of the state of being a Buddha can be summed up by being enlightened. Perhaps a case could be made for this.  (After all, none of us has rushed to change this redirection at the moment.)  But being a Buddha, the state of Buddhahood, entails much more than enlightenment, most notably teaching others the truth leading to such enlightenment and living a deeply compassionate, wholesome life for the benefit of all.  In other words, in my vastly unknowing mind, bodhi (enlightenment) is the threshold to living a life of Buddhahood.  To use a heavy handed metaphor, the difference between bodhi and Buddhahood is like the diference between being elected president and enacting all that being a president entails.
 * But, then again, I can be completely wrong.
 * Thanks for your excellent contributions. Best wishes, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 14:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ganesha copyedit
Sorry I've been slow to get to this, but I'll take a pass through it for you. From reading your FAC page, it looks like you've resolved most of the larger prose issues. Galena11 20:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll go through the entire article, just for fun, but I'll be sure to give Temples special attention. I made a new suggestion for the first sentence, so take a look at the talk page. :o)  Galena11 13:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Devanagari Font
I use a software called Baraha which can be used for writing in many Indian languages in Unicode.--Sankarrukku 10:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Image of Kali
I have uploaded two images of Maa Kali.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KaliMaa.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Eight-armed-Kali.jpg

I have put up one image in Kali page. Please see.--Sankarrukku 09:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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Does this not come under the second clause?--Sankarrukku 14:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

You are not correct. Please do not give instructions as what should be done. You do not want to replace the image. Perfectly alright. I did show the courtesy of informing you.

My addition to the section Mahakali has been undone. Note to keep off this article.--Sankarrukku 05:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It is a bit too late for a welcome message when the other messages point to the contrary.--Sankarrukku 07:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Ganesha FAC
Hi. You've done a great deal of work on the Ganesha article and it is looking very good. The only concern I still have is the way some of the citations are presented (For ..... see ...). If these were changed to a more common variation, or if you can find a manual of style somewhere that recommends this usage, then I think I'll be able to strike my oppose. Karanacs 14:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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 * Rationale provided.--Redtigerxyz 07:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Diwali
 BalanceΩrestored Talk 08:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Re Visha1976
Hi,

You can never stop this moron. He does not login using a static IP. His ISP dynamically allocates different ips each time he connects to the internet. There is no way you will be able to block these ips indefinitely. You may of course raise this at WP:ANI or with an admin requesting advise. Otherwise we will have to keep reverting his crap. Parthi talk/contribs 21:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)