User talk:Redvers/Archive05

'''This page is an archive. Don't reply here - I won't see it and won't reply. Thanks. ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS '''❞

Thank you
Thank you for your vote of confidence in my recent request for bureaucratship. Even though it didn't pass, I greatly appreciate your support and hope I will continue to have your respect. Thank you! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 22:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

NJDX article
I have given the explanation on the copyright issues in the Discussion (talk) section of the article. Thanks. Dperiwal 23:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Abortion / Ethics
I am actually new to the 'Wikipedia', so i cannot say that I yet fully understand all the policies. You state that my article 'Abortion / Ethics' is a Point of View, However in return, I must say that my article is in fact full of different people's points of view, as I am trying to tell people who different ethical systems would explain abortion as being right or wrong. My research although there has been some, is not of the original kind either, and the Philosophers quoted are in ethical circles in quite high regard, also theories such as Natural Law Theory (N.L.T) is in current use with the vatican, and all of these theories and philosophers are part of the main-stream English A-Level ethics sylabus. I don't really fully understand why my article is up for deleation, I would be very grateful if you cpuld explain Wikipedia's reasoning for this. —This unsigned comment was added by Edwardandrewlane (talk • contribs).

Thanks
Thanks very much for the information, this has helped me understand the way 'Wikipedia' works a lot better. Also thank you very much for the tools etc. —This unsigned comment was added by Edwardandrewlane (talk • contribs).

Anything Forums
Dude, why did you delete the Anything Forums page? If you could give me a good reason then fair enough, but why just delete it without even giving justification? Benphase 11:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

AfD
Why don't we do this instead? We do an early close of the AfD and userfy Abortion / ethics to User:Edwardandrewlane/Sandbox. Then, post a message on their talk page telling them that they can use their sandbox to organize their ideas, et cetera. I think it would be worthwhile to save the article in this sense, because it is not very often that someone intends to put this sort of contextual information in articles. After that, we put the page on the watchlist, for say, a month, and take it from there. What do you think? --HappyCamper 11:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You go ahead and make the move and tell the user what we've decided...I'll close the AfD :-) --HappyCamper 12:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Peer review.
I have changed, the format of my article and introduced footnotes and links to websites from which I got some of my data. I would be very grateful if you could have a quick look at it and see if it is looking more acceptable. —This unsigned comment was added by Edwardandrewlane (talk • contribs).

Thanks.
Thanks very much for your help, I am pretty happy with the article the way you have done it, and I understad your concerns over the UK law parts being too narrow for a worldwide audiance. Thanks very much indeed for your help. —This unsigned comment was added by Edwardandrewlane (talk • contribs).

Deletion of Charles Walenta Page
Hello, I am new to wikipedia and just created a page in memory of a dead colleague. I was wondering why you deleted it? thanks! —This unsigned comment was added by Jcc239 (talk • contribs).

Thanks! :-)
Hi Redvers,

You know, for the longest time, I thought you were always an administrator since I arrived here. Then I noticed and read your talk page...My side of the story? I visit RfA less these days, and I had forgotten that I supported you here. A Very nice showing - a belated congrats!

Thanks for the barnstar, I really appreciate the thought. I guess you can call it a good example of this? :-) I'm glad it worked out for everyone. The article probably needs a bit more rewriting, but at least it is in a state which would invite other editors to add more information. At least we've got another Wikipedian on our side now!

Oh, one last thing - I think your userpage is awesome - nice layout and colours too. See you around! --HappyCamper 17:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Subst:
I don't use subst: on my user page because I want the templates to update themselves as users edit them. Andre (talk) 20:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Mister Kite
Hello, I'm new, and the section I did about Mister Kite got deleted after I had updated it for a number of times. Why is this? I'm sorry if I did anything wrong.

Best regards Ackehallgren —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ackehallgren (talk • contribs).

Steaming Six
The reason you have never heard of it is because it is very new. It is real though so i would appreciate it if you would let me add it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emstu10 (talk • contribs).

Mister Kite
But how was it vanity? I don't get it. It's a band. Much like any other band that are on this site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ackehallgren (talk • contribs).

Sarah Cairns
Thanks for the catch on that one. Its been decades since I watched Eastenders so I didn't recognize her. Best, Gwernol 23:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Mister Kite
And who says the band hasn't followed one of the Band criteria? Well, they have. So, I'm sorry if I didn't tone that enough, but I wasn't finished with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ackehallgren (talk • contribs).

Owlpen entry
I don't mean to be rude, but before you go deleting entries perhaps you should confirm that the person adding the article has permission which I do to use that text for Owlpen. A courtesy email before cutting the article would be appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Julian Hensey (talk • contribs).

I'm quick, it seems
wow, you're quick. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by B0rk (talk • contribs).

how do i contact you? sorry... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by B0rk (talk • contribs).

are you a real person? you sound like a machine, no offense..and this wiki thing is too confusing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by B0rk (talk • contribs).

why have you deleted my article???
no offence mate, but im working on building it up, i thought might aswell have a reference. its the lou fellingham one. please restore it now or i will create it again theres loads to go on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikemort (talk • contribs).

Please don't bite the newcomers
Hi Redvers, please take a look at this policy if you haven't already done so. I could be wrong, but it looks to me like you are are to quick to warn new users who haven't even been formally welcomed. --ElectricEye 14:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Electric. Ignoring the message above this one (which was only to be expected) - you don't appear to have read all of WP:BITE. Newcomers are most welcome and I have helped out hundreds and mentored several.


 * However, we would be completely overwhelmed in minutes without someone on New Pages patrol, deleting the 5 or 6 articles per minute that come in that are attacks, vanity pieces, nonsense and cruft.


 * Most NP patrollers delete the articles and move on. I take time to note to the user that their article has been deleted, give reasons why, provide pages for them to look at showing policy and giving guidance and provide a method of contact so they can speak to me directly.


 * If that is WP:BITE, then I will stop doing it and just delete the articles without comment like others do. I won't give up on vandalism warnings and NP patrol just because people over-apply WP:BITE.


 * Thanks. ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 14:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Redvers, thanks for the communication. Regarding Mikemort, I did not ignore his message. I gave him a notice. I did not imply at all that you should not delete, revert, etc. --ElectricEye 14:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually I was referring to your warnings to User:B0rk. It is important what you are doing. But I think we should just correct their first offense (revert/etc) while welcoming the person, and then on their second offense give a warning an so on... Please see what I mean at User:ElectricEye/GetWelcomed Anyway, keep up the good work. Waikiki!!! ^_^ --ElectricEye 14:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Electric! I've read your theory at User:ElectricEye/GetWelcomed. It's interesting and well put, but I'm afraid I don't agree with it.

At peak hours, vanity, attack and nonsense (VAN) articles added to the 'pedia at the rate of one every 10 seconds or so - sometimes much more. The vast majority of these new articles are from users who have created an account in order to create their VAN article. They will never be seen again, welcomed or not. These users have enough of a grasp of Wikipedia to have created an account, so it's not like they stumbled in and pressed the first button they saw.

Left un"warned", they repost the VAN article and create others. "Warned", they show up on the warner's page and create havoc (that's why the majority go unwarned). If they are welcomed after posting a VAN, that welcome is then often used by the poster as justification for posting the VAN article in the first place: as you've seen today, someone setting out to do something unpleasant will seize on anything that looks like support as a reason to keep on doing what they're doing.

This is counterproductive as it accellerates the user toward being blocked from editing, so they never even get the chance to become a productive editor.

So over-application of WP:BITE has a detrimental effect on the Wikipedia, on the admins clearing up New Pages and on the users posting the VAN articles.

I've tried combining a welcome message with a "warning" and it doesn't work; if the "warning" goes above the welcome message, you get sarcastic comments about how unwelcoming you're being. If the "warning" goes below, the text is missed - the first thing the poster then sees is the second "warning" - which is comparatively harsh in tone.

The other thing to note is the "warnings" themselves. The word "warning" is a useful shorthand, but it doesn't really apply to the first level which is a very nice, if short, thank-you message with advice on using the sandbox and visiting the newcomers page. The second "warning" is also not so much of a warning - you're up to test3 before you get a real slap on the wrists. For the vast majority, that level is never reached. Either they have left after seeing their articles vaporized, or they grasp the meaning of the template and stop, sometimes settling down into becoming productive editors.

I've found the template to be of limited use with VAN posters, which is why I created my own anti-VAN templates. These may not be perfect, but they do tell the user where they stand: what Wikipedia's policies are and even link to a helpful page written in simple language by me offering further advice and explaination. I had tried, in the past, putting a clear link to my talk page in the template - but that led to my March talk archive being full of unsigned abuse and pleas for the article to be restored so mom could see it tomorrow etc. So now, whilst the link is there in my sig, it's not prominent so only the real nutters go looking for it.

And, of course, deleted articles don't show up on a user's contributions page - it may look like they've never posted anything, but the warning you see on a user's page may well be after their 5th or 6th deleted article.

Have you ever done NP or RC patrol? I'd advise spending one evening just monitoring the changes at RC and the additions at NP to see what the "sharp end" can be like. It might change your mind about the WP:BITE guideline being treated like a heavy duty policy :o) ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 16:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Just seen the edit summary for your last message to me: of course I don't take offence! Don't worry about it, mate :) ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 16:49, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi REDVERS, I think it is best you and the others combating vandalism continue to do what they are doing and HOW they are doing it. I will be a balancing force and keep welcoming people. After a while, I will learn from this experience and modify my viewpoint and activity accordinglingly.  Waikiki!!! --ElectricEye 05:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

are you stupid?
you make it sound like lou fellingham is a school friend! she has featured on more published albums than most secular artists. she may be christian.

see the phatfish page, she is in each one of their albums and has started doing her own albums so i was going to create a page about her and all the albums she has featured in.

i have read your message and think that its totally unreasonable. give me one reason why you have a "better idea" about her than me! how can you decide whether an article is useful or not!

search lou fellingham on google and youll know why i have created an article.

maybe you should stop spending so much time on the computer mate. sorry for soundin harsh, but its true. if i had created an article about a random person fine, but she is world reknowned, and with christianity being the largest religion on earth, maybe you should reconsider your actions. i accept there wasnt much in the article but i have to write it first, i was in the middle of writing it when you deleted the page.

cheers! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikemort (talk • contribs).

You should Well Be Aware of Vista not out yet either
I recently posted an article where you automatically assume that it is not going to happen. I even mentioned that it is in the works. It also states within the rules that as long as you are not posting fake information which I believe is what you are refferring to me as. I admit I have had a couple of warnings that were different but I am making an attempt to help. Paintballsean16 19:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for if you feel that these comments are harsh.Paintballsean16 14:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Mister Kite
Look, the band has released 2 major albums and had tours with huge people like Dio and Saga. Let me at least finish it up. I wasn't done! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.235.150.203 (talk • contribs).

Alexandr Hackenschmied
I did categorized the article under photography. I did not see a subcategory for Czech Photography. Also, being relatively new to Wikipedia I am not familiar with the process of "wikification". Any help would be genuinely appreciated. Thank. Piercetp 20:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Alex Zamfirescu
Hi, Redvers! Posts from Amorrow sockpuppets have been deleted, per Jimbo's request. Please see here for further information. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 10:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Emstu10
In view of your having previously warned this user apropos of his creating a plainly unencyclopedic article, I thought I'd come here rather than go to AN/I to see if anything further needs to be done in view of his/her continuing pattern of vandalism and general disruption. After having to tag for speedy a nonsense article created by this user today (not in his/her contribution list in view of replication log), I checked his edit history; I find that this user has contributed ostensibly good edits to many Pokemon-related articles but has otherwise been disruptive, having created several articles that were speedied (whilst I assume good faith in adjudging the first article creations of this user, I think surely good faith is tested when a user continues to create articles about non-notable subjects after having been apprised of WP:NOT on his/her talk page several times) and having repeatedly vandalized sundry user and Wikipedia talk pages. In continuing to create articles about plainly non-notable subjects, the user continues to suggest that, because the subjects are real, they are encyclopedic, essaying a view often propounded at AfD, and so it is possible that he/she simply fails to understand/desires to alter Wikipedia policy; the several notices posted on his talk page to the effect that such articles should not be created, though, makes one wonder. It's not a case of clear, continuing vandalism, and the user appears to have made good contributions, but the percentage of good edits has tumbled of late; I don't know that any block is in order, but perhaps a should be given. Any thoughts? Congrats, by the way, on your recent adminship; I apologize for not having voted "support", but I tend to participate at RfA only for nominations that are propsectively close or going in the direction opposite of my view. Joe 04:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response and continued vigilance; I too hope and believe that the good edits will outstrip the bad. After all, if there's one area of Wikipedia coverage that's wholly inadequate, it's Pokemon... :) Joe 03:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Ross Taylor's page deletion
Hello,

I've created a page about Ross Taylor (porn star) and it has been deleted! May I know why??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmorphis (talk • contribs).

Mister Kite
But it is according to regulation! Mister Kite has been on a tour in a middle-sized country, therefore it should get to stay up... They are about as big as Pain Of Salvation or Evergray and are even listed here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_progressive_metal_artists.

I don't really understand what rules I am breaking.

Ackehallgren 10:59, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Mister Kite
Okay, I will do my best.

http://www.misterkite.com http://www.metal-rules.com/CD/MisterKite.htm http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1394 http://www.lionmusic.com/artists/MisterKite.htm http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/artist/Mister+Kite/a/Mister+Kite.htm http://www.vampire-magazine.com/album_reviews/mister_kite/36366_mister_kite_box_of_fear.html http://www.progwereld.org/cd-recensies/misterkite.htm http://www.melodic.net/reviewsOne.asp?revnr=1913 http://www.progressiveworld.net/misterkite.html

Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country[1], reported in notable and verifiable sources.

Mister Kite been on tour with SAGA, Dio and has taken part of tours with Bruce Dickinson Band and Evergrey.

'''Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). '''

Mister Kite is labeled under Lion Music (which fits the category as a very influental indie labels) and has released two albums and one single.

'''Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such. '''

The drummer was one of the founding members of Silver Mountain.

'''Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.) '''

Mister Kite's "I want more" has made an appearance on the Oprah Oxygen Network show "Good Girls Don't" which was made by the creators of That 70's Show. http://www.tv.com/good-girls-don-t/show/19834/summary.html

I hope this is enough as Mister Kite follows several of your criterias. Once again - I was not finished with my article - there is more to come. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ackehallgren (talk • contribs).

Mister Kite
Now look. The previous post was just what you now told me to do. I took the rules, and wrote the occasion after that. I can't continue on the article since it is locked.

Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country[1], reported in notable and verifiable sources.

Mister Kite been on tour with SAGA, Dio and has taken part of tours with Bruce Dickinson Band and Evergrey.

Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).

Mister Kite is labeled under Lion Music (which fits the category as a very influental indie labels) and has released two albums and one single.

Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.

The drummer was one of the founding members of Silver Mountain.

'''Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.)'''

Mister Kite's "I want more" has made an appearance on the Oprah Oxygen Network show "Good Girls Don't" which was made by the creators of That 70's Show. http://www.tv.com/good-girls-don-t/show/19834/summary.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ackehallgren (talk • contribs).

Mister Kite
Look, you've locked the article, so I can't prove anything. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ackehallgren (talk • contribs).

Mister Kite
Look. I can not prove anything, since you have blocked me. I get the hint - I made a false edit in that it got deleted, but no one actually managed to explain it to me.

First you tell me to prove it, I do, then you want me to prove it on the article, which you've blocked for me.

If you unblock, I will add all the references I can.

It was just a mistake, and one that could have been easily corrected instead of ignored.

Ackehallgren 15:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes
I have just reviewed your userboxes. I am shocked to find out you were vandalised 25 times.

However, as I scrolled down I could see why!

A gay, Welsh, aethiest, lefty, vegie I can deal with. But a Morrissey fan! That disgusts me :-)

simonthebold 20:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Mister Kite
Please help me. I'm not trying to be rude, destructive or vandalize. I want to prove what you want me to prove, but I can't with a closed article.

Ackehallgren 21:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

A KISS Rfa Thanks
Thank you, I've been promoted. psch e  mp  |  talk  01:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Bowland Challenge
Noticed your prod was taken off Bowland Challenge without the article being improved much. Now along with added offsite links to the event itself, it’s just gotten worse.

Do you believe the next step should be AfD?

Thanks! Landeyda 08:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Mister Kite
Ah! Terribly sorry then. Did simply not understand where you ment. Thank you.

Jaimie Brooks
I see you have (very!) speedily deleted the page I created with the above title. Admittedly it was not a long article and probably needed more depth, but as Vice Chairman of a cricket club why would he deserve an speedy deletion. All facts in the article were verifiable.

Yours in cyberspace

Timmyweb 12:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Jaimie Brooks
I'm guessing it's not worth saying that I missed out that he was an international arms dealer?!

Timmyweb 13:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Fake barn stars
Can you please confirm if you awarded User:The_Man%27s_Plans any barn stars. It is strongly suspected that he is misrepresenting himself.

CPirzl
I have just created a page for Conecta4 and it has given me a notification of: This page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion. The given reason is: blatant advertisement for a non-notable company; alexa rank of above 4,000,000....

What i am trying to do is create an input of information for the company Conect4 8such as many other ocmpanies have of wikipedia).

What do i have to do to not get the page deleted?

thank you in advance

Cpirzl, new page speedy deletion?
I have just created a page for Conecta4 and it has given me a notification of: This page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion. The given reason is: blatant advertisement for a non-notable company; alexa rank of above 4,000,000....

What i am trying to do is create an input of information for the company Conect4 8such as many other ocmpanies have of wikipedia).

What do i have to do to not get the page deleted?

thank you in advance --Cpirzl 17:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Disputes
Redvers, sorry to bother. I see you are from Esperanza. I need someone who could help with a dispute so that I won't have to go through red tape of RfC. Do you know anyone who can be fair? Some users are removing my dispute tag after I am saying their use wording is making things look like facts when all they really are is someone's claims (in a legal deposition). --Nikitchenko 17:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * With all due respect this simply is not true. The part that is being reverted is your actual deletion of the claims made. The article states:


 * "In a deposition, Scarff alleged that OSA plotted the murder of Scientology critic Cynthia Kisser and her young daughter, but this was not carried out as the would-be assassin reported it to law enforcement."


 * However your edit was:


 * "In a deposition, Scarff alleged that OSA plotted the murder of Scientology critic Cynthia Kisser and her young daughter, which never occured."


 * The statement "was not carried out as the would-be assassin reported it to law enforcement" is paramount and the start of the sentence clearly states it was claimed by one man in a deposition.


 * No less than four other editors (most admins) have reverted your changes. Hope this helps clarify. - Gl e n T C 17:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I appreciate your opinion Glen, but I am seeking help from someone NOT involved in the dispute. You are part of the dispute. --Nikitchenko 18:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * And your criticism of scientology as evidenced by Scientomogy.com demonstrates your POV. Thank you. --Nikitchenko 18:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Communication with Glen and the others at the Office of Special Affairs has failed because their refuse to see my POV and insist on their POV with their edits and reverts which is why I contacted you REDVERS. Thank you. --Nikitchenko 18:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

No offence intended guys, but please stop arguing on my talk page as it's just very annoying. I've proposed something on your talk pages and would expect the only thing I would hear from you in future would be a "yes". Cheers. ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 18:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you REDVERS. It would be nice if the person from the mediation committe would not have a POV for or against Scientology. --Nikitchenko 18:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for arguing on your talk page. Respects, --Nikitchenko 18:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry to bother again, but I forgot to say YES. --Nikitchenko 18:29, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for the above, I simply thought it fair that one point be made and that was to be my only comment. Yes of course I am happy to accept mediation, or anything you feel may assist taming the current situation. Thank you for your offer to contact the Mediation Committee also. It is appreciated, and apologies once again, - Gl e n T C 18:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Faster Mustache - locked for editing
Sir, You deleted Faster Mustache's page when I was creating it. I request you unlock it and allow me more time than 1 second to edit it and make it verifiable.

Roger3b 20:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Wondering if you could lend me a hand???
Hi, I created an article for the village of St Brides Major, but another user changed the name to St Bride's Major. I know it looks like it needs an apostrophe but it genuinely doesn't have one (its like Barons Court tube station ), I checked on the village website ( http://www.stbridesmajor.co.uk ) and they don't use an apostrophe on there either. I've contacted the user that editted it but can't get any response...

Do you know how I can get it changed back?

(Sorry to bug you about such a minor thing)

Jack-McLangley 20:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping Redvers

Jack-McLangley 21:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Just wondering...
Er... how do you determine the "importance" of a person, and whether or not an article asserts said person's importance. You deemed Nathaniel Mills not significant enough, and thus the article had the appearance of a "friend promotion", or something?

Chicopac

Faster Mustache - notability
My point is that you didn't give me time to prove Faster Mustache is notable. I believe Faster Mustache is notable, with over 200 active members it has become a core group in the Atlanta bicycle movement and is active in charitable ways including contributing over a $1,000 to the Hurricane Katrina Red Cross Relief Fund. Faster Mustache hosts, promotes, and even pays for advertisements for many bicycle events in the area. They even have a tax ID. Faster Mustache should be a legitimate wiki article, give me some time to prove it by unlocking the site, please. Roger3b 21:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Faster Mustache - Editing
Whoever edited in November, it wasn't me. But it should add to my notability claim.

Yes, I'm a new user within the last 24 hours and I can blame those 10 saves as rookie mistakes. Give me some grace as a newbie and please unlock Faster Mustache.

Roger3b 22:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

The House Harkonnen
why did you delete my page The House Harkonnen ?

The House Harkonnen
why did you delete my page.

Outsider1924 19:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Cristian Adrian
You left a note at User talk:Cristian Adrian saying "Please don't create articles about your or your friends' bands…" You didn't indicate what articles you had a problem with (maybe something that is already deleted?). Mostly he seems to be writing about groups have national prominence in Romania. Not great articles, but decent stubs for a non-native speaker, I've just cleaned up a few. Is there one in particular you think is inappropriate? - Jmabel | Talk 20:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

It's at S.M.M.O.G.. I cleaned it up. Here's their web site: http://www.smmog.tk/ It looks legitimate. I really don't wish to verify every detail, but Galaţi is a real place, the web site looks legit, and the user's other contributions show a stronger knowledge of Romanian hip hop than mine (I say that as an American who spent 6 months in Romania; what he's written about bands I know has been accurate, even if not brilliant prose.) - Jmabel | Talk 21:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

That said, I can't independently vouch for notability. Hard name to search for, because MMOG is also "massively multiplayer online gaming", so there are a lot of irrelevant SMMOG's out there. But I can say that the same contributor has written reasonably knowledgably about several Romanian hip hop groups I do know, and seems to have written knowledgably about groups that intersect those (like having a member or two in common with something). Doesn't look like a vanity user. - Jmabel | Talk 21:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

mediation
I noticed your comment User_talk:For_great_justice. about your offer for mediation. I can't Help but getting this feeling that Every comment i make For_great_justice ignores my coment and losely (in my opinon miss) cites some unrelated policy such as be bold or nopersonal attack. I left a comet on his/her user page and he/she deleted it. I rewored it twice and it still keeps getting deleted. My coment is verry closly related to the coment you replied to. My latest coment was deleted with some others as (removing irrelevant harrassment). I have goted to the point where i feel it is pointles for me to try to expan my points again to For_great_justice. I just feel it is a shame if every usser has to come to the colcution on ther own that it is not worth explaining a point you aready made again to this user. I don't even care about the initial edit i abected to from this user. What i care bout now is that he/she keepts deleting my warnings on his/her talk page nomatter how nicly i put them. I left a coment in the wrong place that i want to move to his/her talk page but if i move it i'm afraid justice will delet it again Wikipedia_talk:List_of_bad_article_ideas--E-Bod 21:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just i don't want everybody who disagres with an edit by this user to be ingaed in a neverendingn conflict where you have to give in or prove you points to no avail--E-Bod 21:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ps. Feel free to sumerize/shorten my coment if i am making a personal Atack.  That is not my intention i just am bad at wording.  I just am upseat becose i qoted frome NPA article into my coment and it was still called a Personal attack.  He/She even wrote "WTF" on my talk page"User_talk:Yskyflyer--E-Bod 21:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

'NPA'
Hi there Redvers, Thanks for coming to Naha's assistant, I probably was a little harsh on him, but your characterization of my comments as 'personal attacks' is also harsh. NPA is not an invitation to post nonsense with impunity. Letting false claims stand is a difficult thing to do. Yours, For great justice. 23:25, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Fake barnstar
Hey, hope you enjoyed your Easter break in London. A user above has noted (unsigned) that The Man's Plans has awarded himself a barnstar under your name. Just thought you ought to know, should you wish to attempt to outlaw this kind of nonsense. All the best, Budgiekiller 16:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

ITV Regional template
Hello. I have created a template in an attempt to standardise the articles about the various ITV stations. I thought they were beginning to look quite messy with a couple of logos at the top as thumbs.

Before I add teh template to all of the articles, would you mind taking a look at them and see what I might have missed, or what could be better? I've added them to Tyne Tees, Granada and TVS. The TVS one is good becasue it makes use of an extra two fields.

With the template, I've tried to give prominance to the current logo, whilst maintaining the traditional identity with an older logo. Tyne Tees and Granada were doing this anyway, but, as I say, it looked a bit fragmented |the way it was. The JPS 18:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your comments and my first barnstar (it's only taken 15 months and 10,000+ edits!!). Sorry I didn't reply sooner: I've been caught up dealing with some vandalism. I saw what you meant about the Granada article once you changed it. It's obviously proving popular since it's being added by others now. I'm not quite sure about the ordering of the fields. The JPS 21:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic looking page
Thought it deserved special praise... Looks great, and thus I hope you don't mind me copying some of the code for my own devilish schemes (or just to make my user page lok a little better). Unfortunately, I'm just too lazy to do it in one step... Thanks for giving me something to do too! Tiresais 18:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Stupid POVs
Hi, and first of all excuse me for all the stupids I've put. The fact is that inclusion on a certain category can express a certain POV if that category implies, let's say, an opinion about the article topic and not just a taxative criteria. I'm sure that both the Soviet Gosteleradio and its East German equivalent censored contents, perhaps in a more evident or not-so-liar way.

But every thinking man knows that censorship is everywhere, ¿would the BBC broadcast something against its own interest? ¿Would FOX, the NBC or CNN broadcast something against their commercial interests, their need for mantaining the statu quo? ¿Would teleSUR broadcast the opinion of those that, allied with what CNN and the others come to represent, oppose Chávez? Guess your answer is no, ¿right? It's not a question of evilness or a sort of public vs private just because all of them commit censorship &mdash;with different aspirations and purposes that we can't judge.

It's very naive to believe that one would say the plain truth and other one pure lies. And apart from being naive, it's clearly politized &mdash;and POVed, so&mdash; the fact of putting the evil tag to everything related with the former East Block, as well as with the People's Republic of China and everything non-Occidental. Everyone is bad, or everyone is good, but it isn't our task to be moral judges. Hope you understand me. --22:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.85.114.227 (talk • contribs).
 * BTW, my last comment was actually signed with the four tildes, don't know what went wrong. First of all, don't take this as a personal issue; when I said that viewing evilness only in the enemy &mdash;in a metaphorical sense&mdash was naive, I was talking in a broad and impersonal sense &mdash;not about your opinion. I don't mind your opinion, I just want this encyclopedia to be as neutral as possible on every sense and topic.


 * You attempt to disband my argument by relativizing the BBC's censorship and establishing that it uses to be positive. It isn't too difficult to note that we're again making a value judgement by measuring how positive is something, and even more when we start to avoid talking of censorship just because in a certain case we consider it fair. The fact is that the BCC censors its contents: chooses what to broadcast, cuts parts of interviews, uses a certain vocabulary, etc. Avoid talking of the BCC's good will and proofs of independence, because there are still thousands of examples to give that illustrate my point &mdash;think of VOA, for example.


 * Wether the CPGB said the same than me doesn't change anything. Wikipedia has its own politics, and NPOV unables us to a) make value judgements; b) expose a certain view as unique and absolute. A SED enthusiast could argue that the DDR television was commited to find the real truth and was being the target of false accusations in the West. Just like the West argued that it was being the target of false accusations from the East; can we implicitly say that Western capitalist states are good and the former Soviet constellation was simply bad? Avoid debating here about democracy/dictatorship, that isn't the focus of our discussion and should be kept aside.


 * Have you ever seen teleSUR or Al-Jazeera? Well, they have a very clear POV and explicitly choose which contents to broadcast and how to inform on them. Would you put them in the Censorship category? Then put all broadcast companies there and we're all fine. Guess your answer: while these are isolated companies, in the DDR everything was controlled by the state, and its citizens only knew one POV. I'm right? At a first glance this can be true. So true as the fact that in capitalist countries the enormous mass of the people get only one POV: that one of the establishment, of the reality that Capital must build to ensure the correct development of capitalism. The existence of a higher number of stations has no effect on the core issue.


 * Say know that while strictly talking this can be a valid view, in practice it can't be used as an argument. The same can be said about the DDR! There were local broadcast companies, co-operatives and so on. That all of them were in high degree conditioned by the ruling ideology/party? The same applies for the United Kingdom, the United States, Cuba, the People's Republic of China and Uruguay. That in the USA, the UK and Uruguay there are alternative information sources? Sure, the same happens in Cuba and the People's Republic of China.


 * It all depends on how you want to expose it in order to get political profit from this type of accusations. But here we should remain neutral, let the reader form his own POV and avoid saying with confuse categories what can be developed in-depth in the article. --200.85.114.227 23:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: User page award


Heh, this is the first time I've actually won the award. And does it really matter how much I'm paying the judges? ;) Here's a present, by the way; I've been meaning to give you one of these. Cheers,  Sango 123   (e)  00:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

software
yes its getting worse - now more edits are being affected - i think it's becoming a matter of urgency to check it all out PMA 06:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's still happening - who do i ask to fix it? PMA 02:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate - crossing fingers PMA 19:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Disgusta
Thanks for deleting it. Now I can log off in peace! Matt Yeager ♫ ( Talk? ) 22:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Mediation revisited
Hi, you had a look at User_talk:Yskyflyer. Could you please have a look at User talk:For great justice. in particular the history page for reversions of warnings? Thanks --A Y Arktos\talk 23:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism of computer articles
After joining a week ago, I've noticed computer articles disappear without any speedy deletion tag or anything. If I'm reading your rules right, one editor is supposed to put a speedy deletion request on an article and another is supposed to delete it, but one of your administrators keeps deleting articles without going through that procedure. These articles appear to be well written. Could this be some sort of administrator vandalism?

There was an article on Control cards here for months, but it was deleted by User:Jayjg a couple weeks ago. User:RHaworth recreated the article with almost exactly the same content. Today, Jayjg deleted the Control card (disambiguation) article without any warning and removed any mention of it from this article. It appears that he is in some kind of blood feud with another editor, but shouldn't we keep the best articles anyway? --Pinot noir 01:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's another diff by this same editor: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IBSYS&diff=49047121&oldid=49021247. It would appear that he really doesn't like control cards. --Pinot noir 01:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * FYI: User:Pinot noir is probably a sockpuppet of banned User:Zephram Stark. Just ignore him. --JW1805 (Talk) 02:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry about this, Redvers. It looks like I got in the middle of a war. I added the disambiguation back to the page and a citation. Now JW1805 has deleted the whole article, redirecting it to punch cards. --Pinot noir 02:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Systems
Windows XP/Firefox or Windows XP/Opera usually. PMA 08:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

TVTimes images
Hi Ben! You've recently uploaded and added to articles some images of covers of TVTimes magazine. You've correctly tagged them as fair-use/magazine, but I don't think the images are being used under fair-use considerations.

The tag for fair-use/magazines says:

...It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of magazine covers: to illustrate the publication of the issue of the magazine in question,...

The images are being used to illustrate programmes, not the TVTimes magazine. Therefore I'd say they're not being fairly used under the terms of Wikipedia's fair-use copyrights policy.

Additionally, the tag says ...To the uploader: please add a detailed fair use rationale for each use, as described on Wikipedia:Image description page, as well as the source of the work and copyright information. These images do not have a fair use rationale on the image page and they don't provide the source of the work (scan, taken from another website etc).

I suspect that the images will need to be removed from the articles you've put them in, but I'd be interested in hearing your views. Thanks ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 15:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Your quibbles of fair use are so much ridiculous pedantry, and if this is the level of petty officiousness you subscribe to here, I'd sooner not bother contributing here at all. Ben King 08:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There is a difference between pedantry and a desire to enforce a simple rule and simple instructions as laid out in the template. I endorse Redver's actions and acknowledge his tedious work in going through all of your additions. For the record, I have previously had a brief discussion about fair use with Ben at Press Gang. The JPS 09:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the template!
It is much appreciated. Kukini 13:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Oops
Thanks, didn't notice those (goes to fix his AfD closing script) -- Tawker 21:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Closing AfDs
There is a nifty script over at WikiProject User scripts/Scripts that makes closing AfDs super easy. You may want to check it out. --Hetar 22:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

LWT
Should it be acknowledged in their infoboxes that LWT and the other channels ceased to exist in '02 when they were replaced by the single ITV1? PMA 19:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

yes the "I'd go for giving a date that the name disappeared so long as the article mentions the fact that the channel names still exist in a notional way." sounds good - how soon could you do it? PMA 19:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of the Z!re religion page?
I am wondering why you deleted the Z!re religion page. I understand that while we were building it there was not a *ton* of information on the religion, and I also understand that it is not the most obvious, honest to Goddess wiki page about a religion, but it is one. I can not believe that a religion such as Z!reism, even if small in numbers when it comes to those who believe in it, can be deleted just because of it's lack of followers!

How!? Why!? What can I do to make the wiki on Z!reism without it being deleted!? We have followers! We're worshippers of Z!re! We listen to all the Goddess has to say! I do not understand why that page and The Holy Book of Z!re is being deleted repeatedly! Please, any more information you can give me would be appreciated...But I see no reason that Z!reism should go undocumented myself.

Pritchard 20:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

non-english Redirect delete
Last time I checked, non-english was not a speedy deletion criteria for redirects while it is for articles even then they are not speedied but put for deletion. I hope you will correct your error at once. -- Cool CatTalk 21:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Cool Cat! I didn't delete for not being in English (although the user who nominated did so for that reason, using fairly unpleasant language). I deleted for CSD-R3, implausible typo. It struck me as an odd situation: non-English language redirects that had no history and nothing linked to them, with no details as to why on the talk pages. After all, it's not something we commonly - or at all - do with redirects.
 * But if there was a point, I'll happily undelete but the reasoning needs to be added to the talk page (I'll add it myself if you like). But I'd really like to know what it is! :o) Cheers mate! ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 21:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know who this individual is and what he said. He isn't anyone I am tracking so I did not notice the articles speedy tagging. As I created the redirect today I more than suspect stalking. (I have very few friends on wikipedia and quite a number of enemies (mostly vandals such as User:MARMOT))
 * The redirect for ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 is the official title of the series. The series is a japanese one and it is only logical for it to link to the respective article. It is an alternative speling of the series.
 * Situation is very simmilar to Allah. The article in question explains the muslim deity/god and the name is of arabic origin. The arabic script links to the page if I recall correctly.
 * Sorry for the confortious initial attitide. I am kinda under stress and loose my cool easily these days... Yes its one of those times...
 * -- Cool CatTalk 21:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, no worries! I'll get my undelete boots on now. I don't reckon this type of redirect would survive an RfD-type process, but about 100 similar redirects were all nominated by a single anon, at speed, earlier today. I did a couple (some of them were persuasively weird) as I was on CSD patrol at the time, then got bored and went for a cup of tea. When I got back they'd all gone, either speedied or despeedied, I didn't look. I was just grateful it wasn't my problem!


 * [[Image:Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg|right|50px]]Sorry about your stress, BTW, and apologies if I added to it. Here, have a virtual cup of tea as a pointless and patronising gesture on my part. ;o) ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 22:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Done! Histories of ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 merged back together, interestingly removing my existence from the article's history altogether. HTH! ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 22:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * So long as people keep their hailing frequencies open and phasers put aside, there is no reason for me to feel stressed. Thank you for your kind touch in processing this matter. Hopefully it was as pleasant for you as it was as pleasant for me. You have no idea how rare I get to work with people these days.
 * What you are telling me is a bit trobling. Is there a list of the speedies by this annon. It sounds most distressing even though a delete is a reversable process. I just want to make sure no valid redirect slips by and stay deleted.
 * -- Cool CatTalk 01:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Right - you're not going to like this! I've done some research and, by digging around in the logs I've found the complete list of non-English redirects deleted yesterday after being nominated by . The ones that survived are in that anon's contributions list. There's also something on the talk page, where an editor has asked the anon to stop nominating.


 * So, that complete list: it's a long one. I'll print it below to save you having to dig the info out for yourself. Three admins did the deleting (all in good faith, like me, I'm sure: these were odd redirects and were nominated for deletion by someone else, so it's not rogue admins on the prowl!). The bad news: there's currently a big kick on wheel-warring, with it not being unknown for permanent blocks to be handed out for undoing the actions of admins; so I'm not willing to undelete these, I'm afraid. Chickenshit. ➨ ❝ R E  DVERS ❞ 10:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the log. No I would not want you to end up overiding another admin, I know that kind of stuff can get quite nasty in no time. I'd not want you to get stressed. I will however talk to the admins deleting the pages. I know at least one of them to be a very reasonable person. Like I said, phasers vs hailing frequencies. I'll choose the latter. -- Cool CatTalk 13:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Ziebel you removed
Dear Redvers,

I noticed you deleted the short article I made on the expression "Ziebel", which surprised me a little - But not too much, as the expression is most likely unknown to you. Ziebel is a fairly new expression used in the technology developer and provider world of the offshore oil and gas industry, and I believe the name came from an old Greek warrier that ruled for a very short time over some armies. However, he married the most beutiful girl of his enemy. So I guess the expression is coming from him, doing a quick success and coming out of it with something that was really good (for him). So basically, I hope you will consider to place the article back again?

Thanks

Hbsnake1 and his many many many Anonymous IP addresses on Wiki
The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Gabrielson was written by HBSnake1 and if you look on his contributions to wiki you will see HUNDREDS of them, all the changes he makes is adding his own name (Bruce Gabrielson) to the page, either claiming to be a computer scientist, rocket scientist, he claimed earlier to have invented the wet suit, claimed to be the first high school swimming coach, he is literring Wikipedia with nonsense to get his name onto the internet for whatever reason.JuliannaRoseMauriello 12:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Look through all of his contributions, he has added his own name to every single one of them, in each article he leaves a internet web url (advertising)

He started a wiki claiming Surf Board Firsts, it links to a skatebaord shop, the wiki for the skateboard shop links to his named wiki above, which as you can see has links to other internet websites.

Every single thing he places on Wiki he is doing as a spider trap for search engines. He is creating extra Wikis that serve no function except to have as many pages about himself as he can.

If I created a Wiki that said, I love Poodles, and then had a link to a Poodle Wiki and on that page had a link to an online store that sold Poodle colars that I ALSO owned, that is what this user is doing.

Continued
Please look at this article also started by HBsnake1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfing_Declaration_of_Independence

Read it in full and then click the link.

It's to sell a "coaches surfing book"

Coaches book is available for free on the net and the Declaration is there in black and white including the signers

No where on the internet is there any mention anywhere about a Surfing Declaration of Independance.

you didn't look very hard

Oncew again, he is making up wikis to advertise his businesses.

and what business is that

Lots of BS - the book is available for free - Many famous surfers are signers on surfing's Delaration of Independence and they are almost all still around (are they all full of BS)

Continued 2
And that is why Wiki will never change, because you guys let people spam junk all over it all in "Good Faith" right?

This man is making MULTIPLE vanity pages about himself, yet because he has done so many of them, you think it's actually true !

And you wonder why Wikipedia is covered in so much BS.JuliannaRoseMauriello 12:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

You've inspired me to leave Wikipedia. Thanks.JuliannaRoseMauriello 12:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Need to defend HBSnake
Say what you will about HBSnake selfpromotion techniques, but allowing a Wikipedian to make unfounded accusations about him is really a shame. How can juliannarosemauriello claim that HBSnake has used "many many many Anonymous IP addresses"? LittleSurferBoy 20:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

What specifically wasn't true? If the shoe fits, wear it

LWT #2
ok i added "Lost on-air identity 27 October 2002" to the LWT infobox. PMA 14:56, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

CSD
Thanks for letting me know about not using the nonsense tag. Someone had told me awhile back that I could use the tag, and I had used it in the past. I'll keep adding nsd, nld or ifd tags to the images. Untagged images have become my new mission. Sue Anne 22:04, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Westcountry Television
Already had trouble from one of those back bedroom wish fufillers you mentioned. PMA 22:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

User: George cowie
On 9 April you blocked this user for continued image copyright infringments. Just to let you know that I have found the virtually all of his contributions are copied from copyrighted sources, notably http://www.villagenet.co.uk/. Jooler 11:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Dear Redvers,

I am very sorry for all my copyright infringements on Wikipedia. You must know that I did not think I was copyrighting info. From now on I will never edit Wikipedia again, as it causes too much trouble.

I am deeply sorry for all the infringements,

George.

Irish Peace Tower
I wish to add my compliments to those on the discussion page for a task more than well done. You caught me on the "inofficial" webside, this was unintentional. I had been linking to it elsewhere for some time (has an official looking Gaelic title). I have been visiting the Park for many years and was about to begin a page when by chance in a search I came across your title. Is there a particular reason why you titled it other than its official name ? I am refraining from moving it, but feel that the official title should should somehow connect for anyone doing a search. Greetings Osioni 21:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello George, no need to thank me for the name, it was created by the developers of the Peace Park, and is printed a flyer to the Park. However I appreciate your acknowlegement, also your new user page, especially your openness, the previous one was in contrast defensively authoritarian. Your text on the Peace Park was very acceptable, I just extended with some further details. As you relate to WWI, the situation for Ireland is very complex. In the Republic it is literally written out of our history (our historians being largely "rising oriented" republicans), England in books on WWI also avoids mentioning Irish division's participation in their commonwealth armies. A collusive conspiricy on both sides, with different agendas.Osioni 20:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I now see I mistook your discussion for your user page !!Osioni 21:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note
Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Gnostic church
I simply want to move Gnostic church (disambiguation) to Gnostic church but can't b/c the redirect has been edited multiple times. Not worth a vote, I think. -999 21:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -999 22:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

deletion question/clarification
hi, I noticed you deleted the page i recently created entitled "suny binghamton food co-op". I'm not disagreeing with the deletion, as I wasn't sure whether it was appropriate and suspected it might be deleted(which is why i didn't put much effort into it), but I would like some clarification.

There are several other articles about student groups at suny binghamton, including fair use magazine, the binghamton review, pipe dream, ESCAPE Student Bus Service. While some of these organizations are larger than the coop, the coop is an important and unique part of the university and of interest to many students, prospective students, and community members, and it has an interesting history dating to the 1970s(which admittidly I haven't added), and has been a center for the progressive movement on campus.

My question is how the coop differs from these other student organizations in terms of relevance to wikipedia, and when articles about organizations are acceptable. Could the artical be acceptable if written more objectively? While such a page might be promotional, it would also be of interest to anyone who wanted to know about the university in general. I was looking through the wikipedia policies and wasn't exactly clear. Thanks Outdoorvegan 03:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Refounding Public Administration Joint AfD
Hi, Just noticed you have listed Frederick C. Mosher as one of the articles in the Articles for deletion/Refounding Public Administration. It dosn't have a AfD notice on it and may need one. -- blue 520  10:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Bakhteiarov's identity
Hi Redvers,

On AFD page of Eugene Platon you have posted a message questioning my identity. How do you want me to prove my identity to you?

--Bakhteiarov 14:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Redvers,

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--Bakhteiarov 13:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Funfunfun 19:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)Hello
It appears that you deleted what I wrote about the influential Improvisor and Improvisational theater Instructor, Mick Napier and his school of improvsiation in Chicago, the Annoyance Theater. I can't emphasize enough how greatly he has influenced modern improvisation in Chicago and via his book and workshops, many outside of Chicago. Chicago is the long-form improv mecca, and everyone there, and several outside of Chicago know who Mick Napier is. I began his bio, with hopes that others would add to it. This is what the Wikipedia seems it should be about. Here's his book, which keeps on selling and positively helping people everywhere:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/032500630X/002-2343047-3067267?v=glance&n=283155

Please consider reposting what you have deleted or go to any online interviews on Mick Napier so you can compose an article, because he definitely qualifies as 'notible'.

Thanks. Funfunfun

Funfunfun 19:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Curious about the blistering and mean-spirited attack on everything I wrote...
Seems you decided to use my contrib page to pile up a bunch of Afd's on things you apparently know little or nothing about. Seems like a sad little thing to do. I wonder why you would do it?

By the way, what is "collegecruft?" Is that somehow Welsh humor for I don't know what I am talking about?

Deletion of Antirom page?
Redvers, I just wanted some clarification for the deletion of the Antirom page. I teach new media to many of my students and I felt it to be a valid resource as Antirom is no longer in existence.

Apolaine

65.13.148.223
I just undid your block of this user after I realised although he/she was listed on AIV, the IP hadn't vandalized since the 4th of April. Let me know if you don't agree with my unblock, thanks - Prodego  talk  20:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It caught me too, I left a test4 warning there before I realized it said 4th. Thanks, and happy editing! Prodego  talk  12:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Peace Tower
Thanks for the honour, you've got me blushing; my better contributions begin with D.D. Sheehan, spreading out from there. I drive past/via Mesen early next week. Try for the leaflets they have had in the Mesen town hall and museum. Good luck with the photos. Osioni 10:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Antirom deletion
Okay, harsh but reasonably fair. I believe you're wrong about the 'unremarkable group' part as it's a significant part of the new-media canon. But I get the point about the external links and the writing style - I'll take another crack at it at some point.

Apolaine 08:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

SockPuppet Alert
User 68.161.222.151 User Goddessy

Same person, I am new to this part of it all, but they are clearly the same person making comments one right after another and doing very bad slip ups.

See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=68.161.222.151

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=GODDESSY

All comments within seconds of each other and you'll notice that quite often, User 68.161.222.151 signs her comments with GODDESSY

I don't know if this is just user 68.161.222.151 accidentaly forgetting to sign in, but it is starting to look like it is just to circumvent the 3RR rule.

Both 68.161.222.151 and GODDESSY had been banned from Wikki as a troll, yet reinstated by a different moderator. I believe ALOT of the "moderator and admin fighting" are due to personal feelings of GODDESSY ( who is in reality Stephanie Adams )

Let's not forget the Wikipedia rules.

She left a message on Jim Wale's Talk Page

Seen here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=GODDESSY

This person wants you to believe that they have spoken to Jim Wales personally on the telephone, and that he has commented the above inquiry that she left on his Talk Page, yet no signature from Jim Wales is present, therefore looking at the history on Jim Wale's Talk Page it is very easy to see that this person made the comments by themselves to make it LOOK like Jim Wales had commented on her Inquiry

JuliannaRoseMauriello 16:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks and More
Please read this, you told me once to ASK for hewlp and so I am, don't let me down please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stephanie_Adams

Also see her sockpuppet's talk page here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GODDESSY

I left a comment under the Let's Clarify Something here title

She then came in and edited it and used all caps to show what she was editing.

This person really, I mean, SHE might be notable, but her company is NOT.

She's already been blocked several times and banned once and the ban was lifted I would believe only because of personal feelings towards her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:GODDESSY

Keep reading all the comments down the page.

Wikkipedia is about what is verifiable and not what the person the articles is about WANTS it to say.

JuliannaRoseMauriello 17:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Sock Puppet
User GODDESSY is now using her sock puppet http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=68.161.222.151 to circumvent the 3RR Rule AGAIN JuliannaRoseMauriello 20:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
The big big problem I have with this is that I do not understand the least bit what to do to delete articles because I do not understand what's written on the page and dont understand this subst thingy. Second, this entry was a fake entry entered by a sock puppet or a vandal or something and because I'm not great at deleting I cannot leave it go by since people monitoring missed this fake article. If you are kind enough to find a way to explain the concept of deleting to me in an easier manner please let me know (my mother tongue is french). Lincher 03:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this brief but really and I mean really helpful description of these deletion features offered by WP. This clarifies my idea about deletion process and will be helpful in the future. Lincher 22:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Public administration-related articles nominated for deletion by you
I started a discussion on the Village pump (policy) on your nomination of the articles by Ryan Lanham, in case you haven't noticed and want to comment. u p p l a n d 06:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Royce Jordan
Thanks for the clarification on the speedy for this article. While I noticed the patents, my primary cause for concern was that the article itself is autobiographical in nature (the inventor writing about himself). I can't seem to find any policy/guidelines to determine if a person is notable or not, so if you know of any, or would just be willing to share any "rules of thumb" you may have, I'd much appreciate it!
 * ~Kylu ( u | t )  18:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Jack Altman
Hi there. In reference to my attempted speedy of Jack Altman, I think you should look at the evidence I have prepared to support a speedy deletion. Articles like that do not deserve a place at Wikipedia, and I believe that it should be deleted as soon as possible. TDS email 20:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Redvers. I'll list it at AfD and push for a speedy. Thanks for the advice. <FONT COLOR="#ff0000">T</FONT><FONT COLOR="#009dd7">D</FONT><FONT color="#009500">S</FONT> email 23:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

So I can't have a band page but others can
That makes sense...obviously your telling me I'm not famous enough to your standards.

thanks a bunch!

Perezd 22:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Good job
I see you have been undeservedly attacked by a number of people recently. I personally know how hard it can be to try to keep things legitimate in this encyclopedia. I just wanted to say that I think you are doing a really good job. Please, keep it up. -- JamesTeterenko 23:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Meilssa Hopkins...
...Created the article about herself in the third person. Did you read the article? It is basically a flattering resume of herself in prose form. I am hoping you can help me understand why this does not merit speedy deletion (I tagged it). - Abscissa 17:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Shoot the deletionist.
It's nice to know I'm not the only one getting hell for nominating articles for deletion. Good luck. Brian G. Crawford 18:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Technical delete
Thank you. --Khat Wordsmith 22:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

BBC Home Service
Your section on Development is an excellent addition to the article, R. The National and Regional Programmes are too often forgotten these days. I hope you won't mind my slight nuancing to the effect that though, as you quite rightly say, these were not "streamed" channels, the National was usually home to the "biggest" programmes. -- Picapica 13:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your encouragement on my talk page, Redvers (it's good to know, particularly in the field of popular-culture history, that all has not been forgotten by all!) I will be archiving that page later today (time for a tidy-up), hence this posting here. -- Picapica 14:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

RE: The City of Grand Prairie image

 * in RE to The_City_of_Grand_Prairie_image:

Hi Redvers,

The "higher res" version that I uploaded to replace my first upload has exactly the same DPI as well as bit depth. The only thing different is approximately 400px larger both vertical and horizontal. If this "resolution" of my photo is in question, then what is the regards to the use of this any many others like this, not to mention this being a publicly known registered trademark. It is even provided with a link to a higher resolution for download! Surely a line is drawn some where as a definition to "high res" and "low res." -therearenospoons 16:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Utilander / Uitlander
Hello, I see that you've set the Utilander/Utilanders articles to redirect to Uitlander. You will, of course, have noticed the speedy deletion request box.

I requested the deletion over inserting a redirect because utilander is a simple spelling mistake, the correct, and only, spelling is uitlander. Through a spectacular mental block I created the article earlier today using that wrong spelling, not realising my mistake until it was created. I'm not really sure that it is appropriate for an article created in error to remain; it's not a question of an alternative spelling, mine was simply wrong.

Regards, Xdamr 19:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well of course if you put it that way it makes sense. Trouble was that no sooner had I saved the page than I noticed my mistake, I banged my head on the desk and gave a hollow groan.  Every time I see the entry for utilander it screams out you fool to me, still if it helps someone who feels inclined to make my mistake I suppose it's worthwhile!  New mantra, Redirects are a Good Thing, Redirects are a Good Thing ...

Thanks, Xdamr 19:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Biodiesel Recipe Deletion
Wow, that was fast! Thanks for the help there! --Rifleman 82 19:53, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Ed Meyer
The Edward Meyer article was deleted --Nobunaga24 22:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that :) --Nobunaga24 22:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)