User talk:Redvers/Say no to Commons

Ridiculous
I have been uploading to the Commons for some time now and have never had any trouble. -- &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 00:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Then why are Commons editors queuing up here to shoot the messenger? If I was just wrong, it should be easy to point to how well Commons works and refute my assertions. Instead, name-calling, veiled threats, templates... but no actual discussion. Fascinating. ➨ ЯEDVEЯS used to be a sweet boy 09:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * One person commenting is now a "queue"? *Dan T.* (talk) 19:08, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * One person? Don't tell me you assumed that Roger was the only person to contact me? Coz, like, that'd be proving my point. ➨ ЯEDVEЯS used to be a sweet boy 08:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not uploading anymore stuff over there either since the deletion of a perfectly good photo of all the different editions (coloured, picture, foreign covers) of one particular record as it was not acceptable under fair use or something - what peed me off most was that it was one of a set of pictures that rotates on a portal page, no one bothered to tell me or to fix the many pages they broke in deleting it.--Alf melmac 09:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Could you provide some examples?
I'm concerned by what you say and I'd like to look into the matter and try to resolve the issues. Please if you could, do you have some specific images that you think provide particularly good examples? I can trawl your contribs but I might miss the right ones... (I'm an A, B, C and O on Commons so I care a lot about making Commons easy to use and friendly...) ++Lar: t/c 20:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll get back to you on this ASAP, although I'm sure the sociopaths you've discussed it with on WR are enlightening you and helping to keep your mind open to my points. ➨ ЯEDVEЯS used to be a sweet boy 08:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've found they're as confused as Lar (and me). giggy (O) 09:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * @Redvers: take your time... But I must say that I think the way to keep one's mind open is to seek to gather input and understand it, even if one does not agree with everything the speaker says, whereever one can find input that sometimes is valid... Hence I came here to see if I could better understand what the issues with Commons you have actually are, because I'd prefer not to be an "officious jerk" if I can help it. I'm still hoping you will clarify this. ++Lar: t/c 22:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "Clarification" will come. I have about 3 minutes editing time available a day (hence the busy on my talk page) at the moment. This will improve in the next few days, with luck. ➨ ЯEDVEЯS used to be a sweet boy 07:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank yous

 * Just to add a few facts (These templates never begin) to your rant. You are free to retain your opinion, of course.
 * Commons-Template:Please link images: Hello ...! Thank you for providing images to Wikimedia Commons. Please keep in ...
 * Commons-Template:Project scope: Thank you for your contributions. Your image or other ...
 * Commons-Template:Image permission: Thanks for uploading :. This image is missing permission ...
 * Commons-Template:Image source: Thanks for uploading :. I notice the image page ...


 * and even:
 * Commons-Template:Nothanks: Hello and welcome to Wikimedia Commons! We appreciate your contributions to the project, but ...
 * --Túrelio (talk) 06:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused
As far as I can see, you only received 1 templated message, that an IP editor left for you and it started with "Thank you for providing images to the Wikimedia Commons." I'm sorry Redvers, but there really seems nothing wrong here. I would like to point you at this interesting blogpost that I read recently. To quote: "Using Wikipedia but becoming enraged when your favourite marginal entry is deleted is like going to an art gallery but being enraged that you saw something there you didn't like. It's a big waste of time and energy that could be spent better". Everything is part of the entire ecosystem of wikipedia and wikimedia. Do what you can, leave when you want to, voice your concerns, but don't get too wound up about it and definitely do not become the storm in a teacup yourself. --Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 10:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty confused by the disparity between this essay and your Commons talkpage myself. You only ever got one message there (one that pretty clearly begins "Thank you for providing images to the Wikimedia Commons"), and that was 13 months after you had stopped uploading images to Commons. So being bombarded by ungrateful template messages can hardly be the reason you left. —Angr 18:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I found the direct cause for all of this Images_and_media_for_deletion/2008_July_3. Makes this look a tad pointy I have to say. --Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, that's not the direct cause. He started this page a month before that IFD started. —Angr 20:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree
The diffs you provided in your response to Lar were enlightening. As is the commentary above on this very talk page. I think I'll save myself the bother and stop uploading images. A few months ago I noticed that an image I'd uploaded a while back had been deleted as a "copyvio", something that just wasn't possible as the Flickr account in question that the images had come from had very clearly been the one to take the images (their quality was on the low end, and the set of photos had photos of him/his friends/etc hanging out at the gig where it had been taken). I didn't bother following it up, and after reading this I'm pretty glad I didn't. Naerii 17:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

DING
That is worth at least a point in my book. Nice rant sir (or madam :P)  S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 19:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Sir. Or "sire" will do also :o) ➨ ❝ ЯEDVERS ❞ is repressed but remarkably dressed 08:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The expresion is more extreme than I would use, but I'm also disenchanted with Commons:
 * Different UI from English WP. I want to edit articles on en.wikipedia, not learn some confusingly not-quite-the-same UI for which I didn't sign up.
 * Different set of licensing options. See next item...
 * Tendency for images to be deleted from Commons after transfer from English WP. A GA reviewer pointed this out to me, so it's not a just a grumble by the disaffected.
 * Built-in assumption that editors will log into Commons every day or so. No, I want to edit articles on en.wikipedia! Commons should re-direct all notifications to my en.wikipedia Talk page. And if I have a universal user id and am logged into en.wikipedia, I should be automatically logged into Commons. --Philcha (talk) 14:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Tendency for images to be deleted from Commons after transfer is really a problem of en-wiki, not commons. These images had to stay here in the first place. Too many pics are flagged for transfer without a proper review per commons (not en-wiki) rulebook, and once transferred are in violation of their rules. These moves are like "bringing democracy" to Afghanistan: easy to do, they fail quite soon. And there's no way back due to en-wiki's current upload rules (ideally there must be a "move back to where they came from" button). NVO (talk) 19:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your essay. It might cross a few lines for some but the balls to say it like that certainly drove the point home.Cptnono (talk) 11:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

It could be worse...
Better a hundred vandals or bot-gripes than one reversionist who patrols an article day and night and deletes your sourced sentence for political reasons and makes up excuses based on laughable misinterpretation of any and all Wikipedia policies. (See also Talk:Conservatism in the United States... ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wnt (talk • contribs) 23:39, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Marked as historical
This doesn't get tons of views anymore, but given the fact that it hasn't been substantially edited in over a decade and contains timed statements such as they're now increasingly active here (emphasis mine), I've taken the liberty and BOLDly marked it as historical.  Angry Harpy   talk 08:25, 13 September 2021 (UTC)