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Hello first I would like to thank you for your interest on Servetus. I do not really know much about templates, but I saw that template was suggested for deletion. I don't know why. And my second question is if there is a way of creating a template infobox for  physician & theologian. Those were the two main  fields he was  outstanding in. Thanks for your advice.--Anatoly Ilych Belousov (talk) 19:00, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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Council of Nicaea and "Protestants"
Greetings! Please forgive it taking me a week since your edit to commence this discussion. The reason I undid your adding of "Protestants" to the "Accepted by" list is simply that the list already contains "Anglicans", "Calvinists", and "Lutherans"; admittedly, this is not an exhaustive list of Protestants, but methinks that if "Protestants" should remain in the list, then these groups of Protestants should be removed from the list; it's having both that I deemed a "superfluous redundancy". Soon I'll be adding some text to the article (as I've added and edited somewhat in the past) and I'd like your consensus of what should be done before I proceed or, at very least, not intertwine this issue with the unrelated edits I intend to make. I thank you, Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 11:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Apologies
I was working on two things (RS noticeboard) and the page simultaneously. I meant to place the Christ Myth section under Islam, as is proper (historical order etc.) then got distracted writing a note to the RS board, and lost my copy of the subsection I was to post in the Docetic page. Thanks for noticing that and beating me to restoring it. I'll do the edit now.Nishidani (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing my mistake on the Christianity page. I did think about the connotations of the word 'illuminate' but I didn't realise it had a theological connotation too. How is it used in the theological context? Jainsworth16 (talk) 15:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Illumination is the process of God bringing a reader to understand what is revealed in the Scripture.ReformedArsenal (talk) 20:07, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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John Carter said that he has built whatever needs to be built for the history workgroup. FYI. History2007 (talk) 12:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Vejlefjord’s Request
Would you, please, take a look at User:Vejlefjord/Theodicy and the Bible (3rd draft) and give me your opinion? I want a draft good enough to “go live” without being deleted or userfied so that other editors, perhaps you, can make it a better article. Do you think the draft is good enough for this purpose? Do you have specific suggestions that you think would make it better? I am unable to do much more work on the draft. Thank you. I will check back here next weekend. Vejlefjord (talk) 02:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks pretty good. A few things that would make it better would be to use the citation templates available in Wiki for uniformity (if you don't, I will probably go through and do that after you publish it), and clean up some of the language (Debate re “natural freedom” is one of the subject headings, you should clean that up to something like "Debates on natural freedom and theodicy"). Other than that it looks like a very good article with lots of good sourcing. I don't see why this would be deleted, and the minor problems will fix themselves over time as other editors make their passes (Me included). Let me know when you publish it, I look forward to it.ReformedArsenal (talk) 14:41, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply and for your willingess to work on the article. Following your suggestion, I removed all uses of “re.” I tried to follow “Wikipedia:Citing sources” and The Chicago Manual on Style. I tried to understand the “citation templates” to which you referred, but I lack the Wiki-competence to do so. So I have published (“go live”) the article. Please check it out, remove the new article template if there is one, and rate it if you like. Vejlefjord (talk) 21:59, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for getting right to work improving "Theodicy and the Bible." Keep up the good work. Vejlefjord (talk) 17:30, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Theodicy and the Bible Article. Notice that User:StAnselm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:StAnselm) has added a banner to the article “Theodicy and the Bible” that reads “This article is written like a personal reflection or essay rather than an encyclopedic description of the subject. Please help improve it by rewriting it in an encyclopedic style. (June 2012)” You might want to give your opinion to User:StAnselm. Vejlefjord (talk) 21:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Long term cost of arguments
One of the things I have noticed over the years is the long term effect of wiki-arguments, regardless of who wins the debate. We have seen too many of these now. That was a good user, but would argue passionately. He would sometimes win, sometimes lose, but in the end the bitterness left by the arguments "piles up". After a while it just gets to much and the retired banner appears. There are strategies for not letting that get to you, but that is a longer story.

My advice would be not to get worked up about the use of the Aramaic, make a deal halfway and move on. What you can do is agree to have it in the Etymology section with a qualifier that there are no first century documents that include it and what there is based on the "reasoning of scholars". That will clarify it. Then it does not need to appear in the lede.

I do not really care which way that inclusion goes (nor will 99% of other readers) but I think it would be best if you do not let it weigh on your heart either way. History2007 (talk) 08:17, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Your suggestion
I think I have started to agree with you, as stated here now. History2007 (talk) 10:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Apology for Corporate Election Approach to Tags
Please forgive me for the improper tone and attitude concerning the tags assigned by you to the corporate election article. The defensive posture I took was unnecessary. I should have just asked for examples. I made a change to that post and noted my apologies to you in the comments box. While I see the validity in a couple of your examples (and will seek to make the proper corrections as I have time), I will need your patience in helping me to better understand the validity in the others. Thank youClassArm (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Cappadocian Fathers
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Paul the Apostle
Well done, thank you. Geĸrίtzl (talk) 00:43, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

The Gospel According to John (Pillar New Testament Commentary)
Hi, While removing some product links that were obviously spam, I also removed the link at The Gospel According to John (Pillar New Testament Commentary), because it was simply a commercial page for ordering the book for $497.25. Yet you reverted it back with the edit summary, "Link was a legitimate reference from a company who does not sell this book." I'm confused. That link clearly doesn't qualify as aReliable Source, so it appears to me to be entirely promotional. A reliable source would be a newspaper or magazine article about the book. Thanks, First Light (talk) 05:24, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are going to make edits about sources, you should read the sources a little more carefully. Logos is a well respected software library system, and this book is available on their library collection system. However, the page referenced is not a page to purchase this work, it is a page giving information regarding this book which notes that it was a winner of the particular prize referenced. There is no reason why this web page (which is published by a well established and respected company) is not a reliable source when other web pages typically are regarded as such. ReformedArsenal(talk) 12:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * That link is a page to purchase the work. I clicked on the "Add to Cart" button and it sent me to their shopping cart and checkout. As such, it doesn't meet WP:Reliable Source because it isn't a neutral "third-party source", but the product page of the site that is selling it. I'm not going to belabor it any more than that, or edit-war over it, because I realize that not every area of Wikipedia follows or understands the WP:Reliable Source policy, or that commercial product ordering links, no matter how respected the organization, constitutes spam. First Light (talk) 15:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It isn't to purchase that work, it is to purchase electronic access to the whole commentary collection. However, the publisher (Baker Academic) is not the same as Logos library software.ReformedArsenal (talk) 16:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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Jesus names
We had a very lengthy discussion about this, were I, after vehement rejection to inclusion of name in any other languages except Greek from your side, conceded to your awkward and poor arguments. If you have changed your mind and you think we should include Hebrew, two Arabic, Latin, etc. then start a new discussion and stop reverting revert.--  R a f y  talk 13:17, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Rafy, I still think the inclusion of anything but Greek is original research, since the only records we have of the spelling of his name is in Greek. However, I did not add those and I didn't really care to continue to argue (I have better things to do). All I did was fix the coding to be consistent and simpler. I stand by my argument however awkward and poor you think it is... the FACT remains that there is no original source in existence that records the name of Jesus in any language other than the Koine Greek of the New Testament. ReformedArsenal (talk) 13:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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Matt Chandler (pastor)
Was there any particular reason you added a tag on Matt Chandler (pastor) asking for an expert in Calvinism? StAnselm (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Because Matt Chandler is one of the leading figures in the New Calvinism movement, so it seemed to be the best group to address his article (which stylistically has some problems).ReformedArsenal (talk) 01:20, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, but if the problems are stylistic, then it hardly needs an expert. In any case, the article creator wrote this as part of an educational assignment, so I was giving him space to finish before doing much more work on it.StAnselm (talk) 01:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I also tagged it because it's rather short and it could use expanding. That is something that an expert should look at. Either way, I didn't realize someone was actively working on it (expert or otherwise), or I wouldn't have messed with it.ReformedArsenal (talk) 12:11, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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 * 1) He has an article in Dictionary of National Biography
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I've just discovered something. Fields in infoboxes only work with lower case letters - this edit wiped out the infobox. StAnselm (talk) 20:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I see what I did. I applied a fix using an automatic edit thing that changed those all to caps (if the | was right next to the letter it would have left them). Thanks for the save.ReformedArsenal (talk) 22:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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Silence may be golden
I think if we just do not respond to the persistent talk page fellow he may go away. So I will not to answer him. The more we type the more he repeats the same... But books are not generally called peer reviewed, so you may want to change that before another debate starts. WP:RS does not require books by professors to be peer reviewed in any case. History2007 (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you think that books are not peer reviewed, but every journal subscription I have has 25-30 pages at the end of every issue that is just book reviews.ReformedArsenal (talk) 03:00, 23 December 2012 (UTC)