User talk:Refsworldlee/archive07

Thank you re. article on Cholakov
Thank you for seeing to the article on Velichko Cholakov, Vorbee (talk) 10:45, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. Please post these on my Talk page here, not on my User home page though! Ref (chew) (do) 22:13, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Wrong place - Pierre Bergé
Thanks for taking the time to move my nomination (which was accepted) to the appropriate section. Appreciated! Edaham (talk) 05:30, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I cannot take that credit - t'was the other editor who posted! But thanks anyway, and good editing. Ref (chew) (do) 17:58, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Which ballads aren't about love?
Found this at the Humanities Desk today. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:00, November 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * You got me. Totally non-plussed by that, but I'd still have to maintain that the "majority" of ballads must be love-based. For the sake of the succinct entry in Deaths, "love" had to be extraneous in the edit referred to! Thanks for drawing that to my attention, though. Ref (chew) (do) 15:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you made the right call there. This is just a Fun Fact, no argument. "The Ballad of Chasey Lain" is a fun song, based on tainted love; not much of a poem, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:32, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Abubakari Yakubu
I think you need to change the parameter from trans_title to trans-title, not remove it entirely. Matthew_hk  t  c  14:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I think the original editor, or another who is au fait with the formatting, would be best served as the one to correct. I did nothing wrong in deleting a clear error. Thanks for your message on this point. Ref (chew) (do) 16:25, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Explanation?
So I did my normal job of contributing by adding a name of deceased to the Deaths in 2017 page. Yet you mark me up for apparent vandalism and revert my edits both times? Am I doing something wrong here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack.dubz (talk • contribs) 07:28, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, but what you actually did can be seen here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_2017&diff=prev&oldid=810742888, and that was reverted by a different editor, not me. Then again here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaths_in_2017&diff=next&oldid=810742990, again reverted by a different editor. All I actually did was post warnings to your talk page because both of those edits "looked like" vandalism and not simple mistakes, and then later reverted your good faith addition of Lil Peep, who has actually been in the section for the 15th since two days ago already. That last revert was not the reason you got warnings. If in fact the first two edits WERE honest mistakes, then I apologise and would go back to your talk page and revert those two warnings. Ref (chew) (do) 07:58, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Warnings now struck through following your comments on your talk page. Best wishes. Ref (chew) (do) 08:03, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Gary the Goat
I responded to you on the talk page about this matter. Rusted AutoParts 21:30, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Noted. Ref (chew) (do) 16:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Blamires

 * Yes, I am ok. I see, that you are working on it, and I'll not interrupt more. Thanks...--Noel baran (talk) 15:52, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No no, carry on from here. I don't usually "revisit the dead" after putting background stuff in. It could still do with tweaking, I'm sure. Best wishes. Ref (chew) (do) 16:21, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, but I see, that everything "substantial" is done by another users. We can leave this matter "in peace". At least for now:). Likewise for you the best wishes...--Noel baran (talk) 17:37, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Tara Flynn
Hi, if I recall correctly, you've mentioned before on the recent deaths talk page that you edit IMDb in addition to Wikipedia. If you are willing, please look into Tara Flynn and the following IMDb links, which list several contributions to Irish Pictorial Weekly. See 7546630, 1299358, and 0283634. Thanks, Vycl1994 (talk) 21:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've had a look, but although I'm signed up to IMDB to edit I hardly ever get time. The three pages for Tara Flynn certainly need merging, that's for sure, as they are definitely all the same person. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 06:47, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Quick Question
I saw you figured out that age thing...they really buried that age thing down in the article...i went to school at Madison and a lot of the Twin Cities bands used to come over and play back then. That is why I was reading the entire article and found it.

I do have a quick question if you are still around...I have forgotten how to hide a notation b/c it has been so long...i know that it is <---Qui--> that i need to put in as a marker but I have forgotten the first part. That goaltender that has died today is going to mess up a lot of folks with his family's name...it is not any of the 3 that is listed in his "English" name...so we need to put a marker up front to designate it as Q and I have forgotten how to do that. Thanks.Sunnydoo (talk) 02:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Never mind...wasnt putting the ! in the right place. Hehe, always something.Sunnydoo (talk) 03:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ! ! ! (There's a few to be going on with!) We all do that, and more often as I get older, I know. Sometimes I still have to look up the ILL rules for complicated foreign language piping. Happy editing.


 * By the way, when I researched the genealogy based on the age 61, it threw up an identical profile - Norm Boyd Rogers - for that age, with a birthdate August 1st 1956 ... which fits. But genealogy sites definitely aren't valid sources for establishing that as fact.


 * I mainly do the research because I also operate an obituary feature ("Rest_In_Peace") on a music social network site called God's Jukebox, and I like to know stuff like that when putting together a tribute. Norm's now on my list. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 08:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Deaths in 2018
Zhao Nanqi was Chinese, i.e. his family name is Zhao. --Marbe166 (talk) 21:26, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Good. Marbe166 - what are you on about? I don't remember carrying out an edit involving him. If I did, please provide the edit link underneath and I'll eat the trout. Ref (chew) (do) 21:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah - doesn't matter - I see what my bad was.


 * My, this trout is delicious! Pass the salt! Ref (chew) (do) 21:34, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sea salt or Himalayan salt? ;) --Marbe166 (talk) 21:36, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

People from Papua New Guinea
You reverted a contribution correcting Papua to Papua New Guinean. Why? Papua people is en ethnic denonym. But this bishop was even French-born. Not of Papuan ethnicity.

Wikipedia asks for nationality here... and the denonym for Papua New Guinea is Papua New Guinean. Not a race but a nationality. Royalrec (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You are within your rights to revert my edit, which you probably have already. Thanks for your message here. Ref (chew) (do) 00:01, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Ref. Do we know that Marx ever became a citizen of PNG? Many priests in foreign territories never take out citizenship there. Regards, WWGB (talk) 01:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Whatever the "evidence" says in popular reliable sources goes, I suppose. As usual. Ref (chew) (do) 05:31, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems as though the French bishop emeritus was assigned Papua New Guinea through the Catholic church, and not through it being any sort of protectorate of France - its colonial history is under Australia, and more saliently the erstwhile British Empire. So to remove a reference to him being at least a dual naturalized citizen (Papua New Guinea-France) seems the most sensible solution all round. Ref (chew) (do) 10:27, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Twitter and Facebook as sources
Hi there, thank you for your comment on my talk page. Can you please point me to where there was a consensus arrived at that Twitter and Facebook pages should never be used? My understanding is that guidelines dictate that Twitter and Facebook shouldn't really be used as sources, but exceptions can be permitted if the page being used for a citation is an official channel for an institution, TV network etc. Only makes sense as they're clearly reliable authorities, regardless of the channel they're using to post the information. Looking forward to hearing your response. Cheers --Jkaharper (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Boost the Confidence
Refsworldlee: Thank you for your recent help sorting out the use of footballer and football player. I was particularly grateful for the suggestion on how to create a dummy edit. The support of more experienced editors really does help to boost the confidence of less experiences editors. Yestertempest (talk) 06:37, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No problems, and in the utmost sincerity. The "footballer"/"football player and coach" device has been in use for many years, but no-one is expected to know these things automatically. (I myself have learned the hard way to start with but more recently by checking back on Talk page consensus issues for quite a few years worth of Deaths entries.) The reason for the space as the dummy edit, especially when it affects the source "headline", is to maintain the integrity of both the headline wording and its text formatting - both are usually lifted from a source page by copy and paste where possible. Thanks for your message and gratitude, and good editing. Ref (chew) (do) 12:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Quentin Kenihan
Hi Refsworldlee. I admit I am not as active as I once was here and this may be a recent change, but I have never seen any policy or guideline that says an article on a notable topic may never be created if it has been speedy deleted twice. It certainly appears on the face of it to be an exceedingly strange concept and one that would actively work against the aim of improving the encyclopedia. If you could point me in the direction of such a policy or guideline I would be very grateful. Thanks, Mattinbgn (talk) 06:35, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm purely going by editorial actions in the past in Deaths pages regarding previously created but deleted articles of subjects included. They tend to be summarily dimissed if there has been article deletion history. Twice-deleted, I have to say, makes it "highly unlikely" that a successful article will be created in the future. However, if you feel so strongly about this one, re-submit the subject (I will not revert again), but be warned that one or more other editors may be "highly likely" to take it out once more, as the current mood seems to persist. Thanks for the message. Ref (chew) (do) 07:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The article was speedy deleted as "advertising" (which it was) not on notability grounds, so I shall. Thanks for the reply. The subject is clearly and unambiguously notable. Indeed, it notability has never been challenged. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 09:36, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Assistance, please.
Hi, Lee. Would you be so kind as to assist me in understanding when it's appropriate to place the following after names: (es), (ar), (ru)? I admire your attention to detail and your amicable manner -- my reasons for asking you in particular.Yestertempest (talk) 23:46, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Charles Glass
Is not having a wikipedia page reason enough to delete someone from the death page? I added Charles Glass yesterday, and another editor decided to delete him. I have no problem having someone I post deleted if they don't meet notability criteria, but I believe this person was notable in his field. I'm not experienced or confident enough to challenge another editor at this point, mainly because I'm afraid of being accused of an an edit-war. Would you kindly take a look at Charles Glass and share your opinion about his notability. Thanks, Lee!Yestertempest (talk) 01:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

George Yardley
The Facebook post to which I linked is a photograph of a printed newspaper page - unfortunately the newspaper is not identified - showing the notice of Yardley's death. It's perfectly visible to me, has not been deleted (why would it?) and is quite clearly a genuine photograph of a reliable printed source. The fact that it's not visible to you is immaterial - many, many citations here are of published printed works that are not visible to the overwhelming majority of readers or editors. Simply saying "it's Facebook anyway" is not good enough when the information is reliable and in the public domain - that is, from an external source not a Facebook user. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don’t know, even though I agree with the notion certain social media posts should be free to be utilized, in this case i’m getting the same error message. Rusted AutoParts  22:50, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Actual headline only...
Some publications put the word "Obituary" in their actual headlines... LE (talk) 22:19, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * But I only ever change the ones which put that word in where it doesn't appear in equal main typeset on the same line. Most of the changes I make like this happen because the title doesn't even contain the word at all, though it may appear in the browser tab title, which is a different way of quoting a title and which we have never used in the Deaths pages, as far as I can see. The main thing to avoid, however, is an original research approach to constructing our own headlines or versions of. We're only here to quote what others will see when they visit the headlined link. However, if you see something I've clearly misunderstood or mistakenly changed, then obviously revert. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 04:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * When a headline is not only in another language but in another alphabet from the language of the article it is used as a reference for, just how is it other than helpful to translate it? LE (talk) 07:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not our purpose as editors. Our purpose is to show the exact hyperlink to the page providing the source information, and the main large headline, on one line (not including sub-headings underneath) and in the native language. It was only me who changed to the native language headline because I was first to the page - all regular editors at Deaths would do the same, and would have changed had I not. I can't understand why you have an issue with headlines - they're done verbatim, in whichever language, and that's mostly because editors aren't here to construct their own prose to insert in a headline (or anywhere else, except when being creative with language within a proper subject article or suchlike). It's been done like this for a long time, and not just by me, so what's suddenly the problem, if any? Ref (chew) (do) 07:31, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Can you next take this to the Deaths in 2018 talk page if it needs clarifying or you think this needs changing, as I'm only one of many who operate it in this way, and any change to the general guideline on this would need a consensus from all the editors? Rather than me keep banging on about it on my own talk page. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 07:35, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Werner Wejp-Olsen 15 Nov 2018
Hello again, Lee. If a notable individual has no English page but is featured on another language page (Danish), is it customary to direct readers to that page? See https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Wejp-Olsen and (Recent Deaths: Werner Wejp-Olsen /DoD: 15 Nov 2018). If so, how does one create such a redirect so that the individual in question is no longer a red link on Deaths? Is a redirect appropriate in this case?Yestertempest (talk) 01:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The individual will only become a bluelink on English Wikipedia either when they are used as a redirect to another article (such as a member of a music group having their name redirected to that of the group) or when they have their own English Wikipedia article written about them. Their notability can be qualifed however by creating an Inter Language Link, or ILL. If an article about them is discovered in another language Wikipedia, a small link to the article in that language (such as, as you say, Danish) can be placed just after the redlink, to appear thus: [da] . I'm sure you've seen these, and you may already know how to construct one. If not, you can discover in the edit source that this is achieved by using the "ILL template". For the example you quote, in the page coding the ILL is created by using the template Werner Wejp-Olsen . However, getting the right foreign article to appear correctly can sometimes be slightly complicated due to different page naming conventions or language interpretations, but you can find out more about getting ILLs right at Template:Interlanguage link. If you already know all about ILLS, please ignore this! Ref (chew) (do) 07:34, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Frank Adonis Dec. 26
Happy New Year Ref! Go to the top of the class in tautology, and I quote. . . an AfD (Articles for Deletion) deletion renders. . . nothing personal. Just keeping you on your toes. 203.196.41.161 (talk) 03:56, 1 January 2019 (UTC) Editrite!
 * Same to you, Mr Editrite. I do enjoy our to's and fro's on things. While I accept that "never say never" does apply to any decision made at AfD, especially when the decision is "redirect" and not "delete", in this case you yourself opined that the subject should not have been redirected, due mainly to a side issue you have that he and the target article subject may not even be related. Unfortunately, in this case only, that makes your argument slightly weaker, and does not alter the fact that many good people did deep searches on the Joe Adonis name, and came up with not a lot or enough to confirm his notability.


 * I would say though - NEVER give any editor who's a regular at Deaths a sniff of lack of notability, otherwise the same will happen in future cases as it did to Joe Adonis in this case. Of course, if he ever does get a dedicated future article through some dint of notability, we can all eat our hats and you or someone other can add him back in on the appropriate date in the appropriate year, sometime hence. Have a great New Year, I know I intend to by Editing Rite as you do. Best wishes. Ref (chew) (do) 06:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Os justi (Bruckner)
Dear,

In the comment of your typo correction of Os justi (Bruckner) you asked: ‎History: "manuscripts", surely?.

There are indeed two manuscript:
 * the manuscript originally sent to Traumihler
 * the verse Inveni David and the repeat of the Alleluja, which was fogotten in this first edition and was wrongly classified by Grasberger as a separate work (Inveni David, WAB 20).

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:42, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * In my edit summary, I referred of course to the English spelling typo "manuscrits" (which I corrected to "manuscripts" by adding the "p", as you can see). Not to any conjecture over the number of "manuscripts" there might be, singular or plural. Best wishes. Ref (chew) (do) 12:33, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear Refsworldlee, as French speaking, I wrote it with the French spelling, i.e., without the "p". Thanks again for correcting this mistake. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ref (chew) (do) 15:43, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Recent Deaths and Listeriabot
Listeriabot has gone 500 Internal Server Error for more than two days now. I've already reported it here and here, but this pages don't seem to be used much. I'd just like to report to someone who could fix it or try, no one seems to care about (I understand we all have real lives of course). What do I have to do? Where should I report it?--Folengo (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Being totally honest with you, and given the very limited editing I do on here in comparison to others, I have no idea what Listeriabot is or how to approach that problem. Sorry I cannot help. Ref (chew) (do) 18:36, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Um - by following through to Listeriabot via the user talk page, I have managed to access it correctly - there is no 500 error in the UK. Ref (chew) (do) 18:38, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, so you are able to update this page? Can you tell me when it says it's been updated for the last time? For me it is 15 February 2019 at 10:00. I'm not in the UK, I'm in Italy. --Folengo (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are able to View History at that page, you will see that I just made and reverted a test edit there. So, yes, it is working properly for me in the UK. Ref (chew) (do) 19:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * And yes, 15 February 2019 at 10:00 was the edit before my tests. Ref (chew) (do) 19:53, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Though you did a dummy edit but did not click on "Automatically update the list now" on the right of the page top. It now shows me List has been updated last time at 19:50 on 17 February and it is your reverted edit, but the list has remained exactly the same as before and if I click where I said it still goes 500 Internal Server Error. Plus the Bot has not edited anything for three days now. I think there is a serious problem there, not only for me. Well, I'll wait... --Folengo (talk) 10:34, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

But I only added a space somewhere as a test to see if the list was editable, and then took it away again! I have no time for this I'm afraid - I don't use the list personally, I was just trying to help you out. Ref (chew) (do) 18:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)