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Re my edit to Indus Valley civilization
Hello. I was wondering why my edit to the Indus Valley civilization page was reverted (here: []). Was it because the link was messed up? (I accidentally put the square brackets at the end of the link for "Andamamese" in the wrong place). The study (Narasimhan et al. 2019) does say that the South Asian hunter-gatherer component shared a common ancestry with the Andamanese. Would it be alright if I restored the edit but fixed the link? Thank you, Skllagyook (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the link was messed up and I wasn't sure what you wanted to say. It was not meant as a comment on the content you added (and I should have clarified that, apologies). --regentspark (comment) 18:33, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thank you for the clarification. Skllagyook (talk) 18:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Apologies!
Now I can't gloss over my mistakes. I apologize to you that I was too quick to comment and misread 'disparate' as 'desperate'. So I thought you are commenting on the caste. I hope you understand! Have a great day brother - Sattvic7 (talk) 19:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. Also, the new lead sentence does read better, so all is good. --regentspark (comment) 19:55, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
 * -Sattvic7 (talk) 19:56, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Dispute
How is adding the official British Raj flag and coat of arms not a improvement? Pls look at other British colonies and your see that they also have their flag and coat of arms on their pages tooBigRed606 (talk) 18:56, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

What valid reason do you have for reverting my edits?BigRed606 (talk) 18:57, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You're being disingenuous. The main reason for the revert is your continuous replacement of India with British Raj in the infobox. But, since you mention the flags etc., please see WP:INFOBOXFLAG.--regentspark (comment) 19:12, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if I was being disingenuous, but why couldn’t you mention that in when you first reverted my edit?BigRed606 (talk) 19:55, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair point. My apologies. --regentspark (comment) 00:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened
In 2018, you offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has now accepted that request for arbitration, and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 23, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.

All content, links, and diffs from the original ARC and the latest ARC are being read into the evidence for this case.

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For the Arbitration Committee,  C Thomas3   (talk) 17:27, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the deletion of my comments below in the Chitragupta vs Chitraguptavanshi discussion page
Hello,

May I know as to why my edits were deleted fr om the following page?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kayastha#Chitragupta_vs_Chitraguptavanshi_confusion...

Hello Sir, "but the truth is that the Hindu religious scriptures are made in favor of the Brahmins and for the subjugation of all other castes. Taking this into consideration, if you feel you have the evidence to support that Kayastha's belong to the Brahmin caste, or any other caste, go ahead and make the change."- You understood my reason. I'm not in favour of Manusmriti personally. This is why Wikipedia atleast should contain positive articles as the general populace don't care about the smritis and scriptures. They just care about the verdict mostly. This is why it's important to add the one or two credible sources which outweigh the other credulous sources. Note:I'm not citing any sources here and I'm writing this as a personal talk between you and me. If Kayasthas don't belong to the Brahmin varna,then why is that the general populace consider them as Brahmins?Also,in old days,only Kayasthas and Brahmins used to be VIDWAAN. You talked about genes once. This is why I'm  talking about this. It's all a game of genes. It's all a game of varna. If you'll go and read Manusmriti specifically,you'll understand that mixing with vaishya and shudra is just restricted to Kayasthas but to Brahmins(caste)too.People from all caste must have got mixed somewhere in history. I don't remember much as I read a part of Manusmriti years ago. Something was written over there that If Brahmins(caste)who naturally belong to Brahmin Varna makes a Kshtriya,vaishya or Shudra varna girl pregnant and have children with her then it's okay but If a person from another caste like Baniya(belonging to vaishya varna)impregnates a girl of another caste belonging to Kshtriya,vaishya and shudra varna,then he'll have to get his head shaved and will have to get stones thrown at him or he'll have to get whipped on his back. Wikipedia or Quick Encyclopedia should not be too confusing and should be succinct. If it'll contain information in depth which will require in depth study from the general populace,then what is the use of this site. People can get in depth analysis about a topic from books as well. Articles added in wikipedia should be added after in-depth analysis by historians like you who have got knowledge about the scriptures. The hard part of analysis should be done by people like you and me and others and not by the general populace. I hope you might have got the gist of what I'm trying to convey here,Sir! This is what I think as a greenhorn :) Dinopce (talk) 09:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC) I'm not talking about the time when varna(caste was not known at that time as it's a Latin term brought by Britishers and Portugese)was decided based on profession. I'm talking about the time after that. :) Dinopce (talk) 09:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC) Your words below- "Taking this into consideration, if you feel you have the evidence to support that Kayastha's belong to the Brahmin caste, or any other caste, go ahead and make the change."-- I don't feel that Kayastha(caste) belong to Brahmin(priest;caste). I know that Kayastha(caste)belong to Brahmin varna. They're UPA-Kshatriya varna(secondary Kshtriya). Page 28,Kayastha Ethnology-An enquiry into the origin of Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha This is why they can exercise the rights of Brahmin(varna) and Kshatriya(varna). Before caste came into being,we were all COMMUNITIES. We used to intermarry within our own community. When Britishers came to India,the Brahmins(most probably Bengali Brahmins)intertwined it with our varna system,probably to get into the good books of Britishers for jobs or business etc. The mentions in the scriptures where BRAHMIN VARNA AND BRAHMIN CASTE are confusing to the core!!! This is why it's better to include the credible sources which don't contain any confusing material here. Finally,Kayasthas(all 3 sub-groups)were placed in Kshtriya varna UNDER LAW (after taking into account the genetic studies as well)in the Calcutta and Patna high court's ruling because of our UPA-kshatriya status(which separates us from BRAHMIN CASTE and hence BRAHMIN COMMUNITY;NOT FROM BRAHMIN VARNA). The Pandits of Benaras used to or still have the family tree branches of several communities or families,AS FAR AS I KNOW. Their source should be CREDIBLE ENOUGH! That's it. Sorry that I wrote 3 different msgs here. I use a cellphone. I read this part in your answer to finally comprehend it much later. It clicked later in my brain.:) Dinopce (talk) 10:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC) Dinopce (talk) 13:20, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Also,in old days,only Kayasthas and Brahmins used to be VIDWAAN. -- I'm talking about a time AFTER the varna and caste was decided based on family' caste or varna.
 * You should use the talk page to discuss specific changes to an article. Long posts on generalities are not useful. Apologies, if the removal was perceived to be rude but feel free to post more pointed comments. Best wishes.--regentspark (comment) 13:23, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

Thanks for the info. I didn't consider it to be rude.

But if some of these posts will not be allowed to stay here like the one I wrote above(specifically talking about my post),then the future users might once again try to change the text written at their beck and call.

If they'll read this message in the talk page itself and will understand the gravity behind it,then they can make changes accordingly.

This Kayasthapage as well as the people who are making changes to it are CREATING CONFUSION BY MIXING UP "BRAHMIN VARNA" and "BRAHMIN CASTE" at several places.

This talk between me and Shrivastava101 will further avoid this in future.

Please let me know your final decision! Dinopce (talk) 13:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I doubt if anyone will read your post, it is too long. My suggestion, post a short comment on the talk page that clearly states what you want to say about brahmin varna and brahmin caste, preferably with a citation to a reliable source that supports your statement. You are welcome to revert me on the talk page if you prefer to stick with your current post but I don't think that will be particularly useful. --regentspark (comment) 13:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok regentspark. Thanks Dinopce (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I've thought about your claim of the post being too long.

But,I've decided to push that post AFTER ADDING LINKS OF INDIAN KAANOON(LAW), there, once and for all,as it'll help the future editors including Srivastava101 to understand my side of reasoning before writing something in negation to what I've added in the main Wikipedia page.

Sometimes a short post won't do justice to the topic. This post is one of them. I hope that it'll be exempted from the admin's wrath this time.:)

Thanks Dinopce (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Prayagaraj district
Hi RegentsPark- I see you have reverted Prayagaraj to Allahabad, could I please ask you to revert Prayagaraj district, back to Allahabad district which was moved by the same user - thanks - Arjayay (talk) 15:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅, by another - Arjayay (talk) 16:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 stock market crash vandalism protection
Thank you for protecting the 2020 stock market crash article. Could you make the semi-protected status ongoing rather than temporary? We have no idea how much more turbulence the stock market is going to go through, and if there are any more bad days, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more vandalism to the article. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 21:46, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I switched it to a week. We can revisit it after a week (assuming there is a stock market left!).--regentspark (comment) 21:53, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Most appreciated, guardian of our Wikipedian realm! -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello again! In light of where Dow futures and Asia-Pacific markets are currently trading, could you extend the semi-protection status for the 2020 stock market crash article again? I personally believe that the article should just have its semi-protection status made indefinite since we don't know how much longer this turbulence is going to last and I'd be willing to bet that alt-right trolls are going to continue to vandalize the article like they did last week every day the stock market finishes down because they probably perceive the news coverage as part of a media hit-job on Donald Trump (rather than legitimate coverage of the largest stock market crash in 12 years). -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 01:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. --regentspark (comment) 13:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Burro peg
Thanks for catching the reference to burro peg. I started that reference because I was watching a movie (set in India) where someone ordered a burro peg. I started googling, and I found three references to a champagne cocktail. So I created a redirect. After your message, I googled further. It can refer to a whiskey drink. Apparently, "burro peg" literally means "big shot". Should I kill the redirect, or should it become its own article? Since you seem to know so much more about this than I, I'd like your input. SDC (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Suggest redirecting it to Peg (unit). Cheers. :) Abecedare (talk) 19:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds about right to me. Thanks Abecedare!regentspark (comment) 19:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Ram setu
Yes I agree name should be Ram Setu Chalkechirag93 (talk) 07:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

SPI
Regarding Sockpuppet investigations/Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah, Special:Contributions/Americanusmle was confirmed as a sock, but not blocked.

So that he/she is not tempted to continue sock-puppet edits with IP addresses and new socks, please could you partially protect the articles on the Deobandi and Barelvi. Thanks for your help. Toddy1 (talk) 17:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Blocked Americanusmle as well. I've protected both articles for a week and we'll take a look after that if longer protection is required.--regentspark (comment) 18:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Toddy1 (talk) 19:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

User:MKS Harsha
Also known at various times as: User:Karna fan club, User:Karna DV, User:Sri Harsha 191817, User:Karna fans, User:Super star Karna etc. You get the picture. Duck. Abecedare (talk) 21:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems to me one set likes Karna and the other Arjuna. I couldn't figure out which camp the new one belongs to.--regentspark (comment) 22:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup. It's hard to keep the two set, who request blocks on each-other, apart. I have interacted with one or both as an editor at Karna years back, so can't block them myself. Hence the ping ;-) Abecedare (talk) 22:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Done.--regentspark (comment) 22:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Until next time. Abecedare (talk) 22:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Btw, just realized that User: Sri Harsha 191817 is currently active. In addition to their edits (eg, in which they remove Karna's name from the list of mythological beings defeated by another mythological being) see their previous usernames Karna fan club and Karna DV. What a mess. A few minutes reviewing these edits and one is left questioning ones sanity. Abecedare (talk) 22:57, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait a sec. This Harsh 191817 seems to be anti-Karna whereas the one I just blocked seems to be pro-Karna. They can't be socks of the same user. I'm confused.--regentspark (comment) 23:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It is confusing. Per your observation has also made pro-Arjuna edits while having had "Karna fan club" type usernames previously. And, the similarly named  has made blatantly anti-Karna edits and is a CU-confirmed sock of User:Karna fans, User:Karna FC etc.
 * And then there is the whole (pro-Karna/anti-Arjun?) sock-drawer of KINGPORUS, also active in the Karna-Arjuna edit-wars, along with IPs like and.
 * and are clearly socks of each other and of some of these users, but it is difficult to keep track of who-is-who. Is this all driven by one/two sockmasters; teams of socks mimicking each others styles and usernames; or, an issue of split personalities? Pinging  who dealt with the MKS Harsha SPI, to see if they can shine a light on this mess. If needed, I'll file a formal SPI though that would need to wait till tomorrow. Abecedare (talk) 01:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * More of the same bunch(es):, , , , etc. Abecedare (talk) 01:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * RP, it may be best to hold-off on acting on any of the above. Given the number of socks apparently active, it may be better to go through SPI and catch the sleepers instead of handling them piecemeal. Will file at SPI sometime in the next 24h and ping you. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 03:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Respected sir, first I named myself as Karna fan club, then Orange Mike sir blocked me because name violated Wikipedia policies. Then I changed to Karna DV. I dont want to put some Mythological hero's name with my name. So I changed name to  Sri Harsha 191817 . Initially I was fan of character Karna. But later I read sources and got grip of full content but never I violated content and initiated vandalism. I also reverted vandalizing edits. So in wikipedia, I'm neutral. But I dont know about other users like "MKS Harsha", "Super Star Karna", "Karna fans". Thanking you. Sir, if I make any mistake, please warn me sir. Thank you. Sri Harsha 02:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Sir, what is meaning of Sock. Can I know sir ?


 * RP: FYI. Abecedare (talk) 19:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Reversion of my edit requests.
Why my edit request are reverted I have demanded reposting of previous images along with the new one. Saichana (talk) 11:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Which article are you referring to? Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 14:23, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Talk:Yadav. I just had a conflict with your edit, I was writing " ask the editor who reverted you. Don't make demands. Don't make multiple sections asking for things such as "J" (with a section heading "N", or "useful information". I'm also wondering why you think other people should make the huge amounts of edits you are asking for - how about doing some more editing yourself? " Doug Weller talk 14:26, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * See this earlier version and Talk:Ghazipur. Doug Weller  talk 14:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, it's by mistake. Now, coming to the point I am referring to the demands made by me on article 'yadav' the deletion of previous images in the article by 'hindukshatrana' feel that article is unstrategic ie:showing image of CM in traditional occupation section and images of monuments in article of communities. Saichana (talk) 14:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)


 * CIR? Doug Weller  talk 17:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Definitely looks like a CIR. Since they've been blocked by Thryduulf, let's see what happens, if they come back.--regentspark (comment) 18:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Immediately they came they started disrupting talk pages again, so I reblocked them for 3 months. Given what happened last time I expect a swift loss of the ability to edit their talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * FWIW they were warned on their talk page about turning talk pages into directories, then proceeded to do exactly that after making another pointless edit at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests so I've blocked them for a week for disruptive editing. Thryduulf (talk) 18:01, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Demands
I have changed the words and lines of demands on "Bangalistan". Thanks. প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 06:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Bangalistan
I have provided all necessary references to create the article "Bangalistan". But it has been nominated for deletion.why? If proper references are there, then what's wrong in it? Please help...... Thanks প্রসেনজিৎ পাল (talk) 08:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC) Hi. You should explain on the afd page why you think the subject is notable enough to be retained. Looking at the AfD, it appears that the !voters think that the subject matter is similar to another article and can be merged there. If you disagree, you should give your reasons there. --regentspark (comment) 15:35, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Sock Puppetry on Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha Page
Hi regentspark,

I read what sock pupptry means. It happened when 1st link and its text was deleted. I saw it. Who used a double account to remove that? Is it legal to ask this?

While you're at it,also see if this person and the person who deleted that text is the same. User:YaRaabAlHind
 * Hi Dinopce. Generally, when text added by one account is re-added by new accounts, there is a suspicion of sock puppetry. I'm not familiar enough with the article to figure out who is the sock master but it does seem like there is socking going on. I'd rather not speculate who is socking but leave it to editors on that page to file a WP:SPI if they (or you, YaRaabAlHind) have firm evidence of sock puppetry. --regentspark (comment) 15:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. I've a qualm that User:YaRaabAlHind is Updated since your last visit. Now,I can be wrong. Is it not in your hands to verify the IP address of the people in that talk page with the above two users that I've mentioned? You can track mine too. I don't have any problem with that. Also,how much time will it take for you to match the IP address of these two users with the concerned discussion section in that page? If these two IP addresses will match anyone in that concerned discussion page,that person will be the sock master!
 * Only checkusers are allowed to match accounts and they will do that only if you file a WP:SPI. You should gather evidence (diffs that show the similarity between two users), go to the SPI page, click on "How to open an investigation", and follow the instructions there. --regentspark (comment) 14:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * And if my inkling goes wrong somehow,then what? Will I be banned from Wikipedia? Dinopce (talk) 09:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No. Though, if your case is frivolous, you could be cautioned or sanctioned. Though SPI cases are often inconclusive, most of the activity on this page is recent and, assuming your evidence is good, you should get a checkuser to look into it. (Just be sure that you haven't been socking as well!). --regentspark (comment) 15:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The pages have undergone massive cleanup. I don't think that it was required! My idea was to use the lockdown to my advantage to nab this person. I've not been socking. I don't have any other account. I wouldn't have contacted you for this then. Some shops and offices have opened. It will be futile to lodge any complaints now. Dinopce (talk) 17:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Its you I should have moaned at. Like I said over at the SPI, there are too many POV pushers who get the wrong end of the stick about me. I almost think it was more the stupid AXZENT that pissed me off, I do not want to work to read bollocks.Slatersteven (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Protection level for four articles with either Faizabad or Allahabad in the name
At 15:15, 19 March 2020, you were kind enough to change the protection level for the article on Allahabad so that edits required users to be autoconfirmed or have confirmed access. Please could you apply a similar protection level to the following articles, which have been coming under IP attack over the past two months: changing "Faizabad" to "Ayodhya" and "Allahabad" to "Prayagraj". Toddy1 (talk) 10:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Faizabad district
 * Faizabad division
 * Allahabad division
 * Allahabad district
 * Done. --regentspark (comment) 14:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello regentspark, why can't the name of Allahabad be replace with Prayagraj? Officially, it has been declared earlier. ItWiki97 (talk) 14:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . I believe that's because it is still Allahabad in common English usage. If you think not, you should gather evidence and start a move request--regentspark (comment) 14:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply @regentspark. I got it. But on the article page of #Allahabad. But I can't do the same. ItWiki97 (talk) 14:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You need to use the article talk page (Talk:Allahabad). Making non-consensus changes to the article page could get you blocked.--regentspark (comment) 15:08, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

RfC
Hope this message finds you well. In case you get time, please have a look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_India/Indian_cuisine_personal_user_awards. I am looking for some suggestions there, before the cleanup (if needed). --Titodutta (talk) 08:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Citation in Tipu Sultan
It may be a misunderstanding about my edit which had undone by you, this ref name had defined already in another place. Could you please revert.--Irshadpp (talk) 11:53, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies. I see I messed up. Please do revert me or I'll fix it when I get the chance (RL issues).--regentspark (comment) 17:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I understand, there were edit war in that page. There is chance for messed up. Anyhow I am unable to revert it, as there are further edits happened. Wish a good day--Irshadpp (talk) 22:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like it got fixed in the ensuing back and forth so we're good. Thank you for the polite way in which you dealt with my error!--regentspark (comment) 22:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Kayastha page
Hi Regentspark,

Why was the protection level of the Kayastha page removed?

Is it so that more and more people can get the chance to contribute to the page after the cleanup or something like that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinopce (talk • contribs) 11:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Protection is usually temporary because we don't want to keep articles locked for ever. --regentspark (comment) 13:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not talking about the temporary protection that you did on that page after Sitush cleaned up that page.
 * I'm talking about the protection of locking the page for 30 days,500 edits etc. Earlier,there was some protection over there! Now,it isn't! Anybody who doesn't even have an account can make changes to that page. It can lead to vandalism. Dinopce (talk) 14:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pages are not protected in anticipation of vandalism or disruptive editing (see the protection policy). If you see any of those happening on the article, report it at WP:RFPP and an admin will take care of it. --regentspark (comment) 16:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The most commonly used types of protection are full protection, which means that a page can be modified only by administrators; and semi-protection, which means that a page can be modified only by users who are logged in and whose accounts have been confirmed (any account is automatically confirmed if it has existed for at least four days and has made at least ten edits).
 * I was talking about the semi-protection!
 * The page was semi-protected earlier,i.e before the clean-up. Now,it isn't! Anyone without an account can edit this page.
 * It should atleast be semi-protected. Dinopce (talk) 04:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see any disruptive editing or vandalism from IPs or non-autoconfirmed users. Like I said, we don't protect pages in anticipation, but only after disruption. --regentspark (comment) 14:03, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Ohk. I think after the cleanup by Sitush,that page is once again new and hence,until and unless further disruption takes place there,that page will not be locked.
 * Understood! Dinopce (talk) 14:31, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding order of precedence of authority of Hindu scriptures
I have added some information on the order of precedence of authority of Hindu scriptures. It has been reverted by you sighting some copyright violation. It is well known concept for centuries that Sruti is the ultimate authority. You may refer to this saying shruti-smriti virodhe tu srutireva gariyasi (when there is a conflict between the smriti and the shruti, the shruti shall prevail). I would seek your help in elaborating that subsection. I have reverted it back and removed the reference you felt violating copyright. In due time, I shall add reliable references. Thank you. Bsskchaitanya (talk) 12:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The text is taken verbatim from this source. You should attempt to paraphrase what the source says and cite it. Removing a reference does not make the copy violation go away! --regentspark (comment) 13:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

AfC
I think that you've done a great job with improving the Forrest Robinson article. The problem I have is that the draft was poorly written, badly referenced and hard to justify moving it to the main space. The draft's creator, FloridaArmy, is an editor who has created over 1,200 articles, so that they should know how an article should be written. They seem however to be more keen to produce quantity rather than quality. They have been restricted from creating articles directly into the mainspace for these reasons, which is why they are producing so many AfCs. Where the article is clearly notable I have tried to rewrite them to satisfy basic standards for an encyclopedic article, like you've done with the Forrest Robinson article however the sheer volume of these crappy AfCs by FloridaArmy sometimes frustrates the hell out of me. Anyway enough of my rant - keep up the good work and don't let it stop you from reviewing and improving articles, Wikipedia needs more people like you. Dan arndt (talk) 01:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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Talk page discussion
Where do these talk page discussions go? Dinopce (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Everything is in the archives (probably Talk:Kayastha/Archive_5) and you can refer to the discussions there. Please only suggest specific changes and provide reliable sources when you do so. --regentspark (comment) 17:48, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What was the reason for archiving these talk page discussions? This is the first time I'm seeing such a thing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinopce (talk • contribs) 18:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Archived discussions are still accessible. I archived them because they were long, rambling and confusing. This is a volunteer effort and expecting other editors to continuously respond to long unclear posts is not a resonable expectaton. You may post your suggestions on the talk page but please keep them brief, to the point (stating exactly what you would like to see changed), and reliably cited. --regentspark (comment) 18:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pls don't revert my discussion with Sitush! I'm in btw a discussion.Dinopce (talk) 19:05, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Mughals and Aurangzeb
Hello. I had some edit requests in some article. If you can have a look will be helpful. Just curious, does your username have anything to do with Regents Park in London. Thanks and take care. 83.137.6.245 (talk) 15:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping np. I'll let someone else deal with these. --regentspark (comment) 15:39, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Unexplain removal of content
Hi,

I just saw that there has been removal of a huge chunk of sourced info in Karna wiki 4 days ago. The description says "as per discussion in talk page".

I checked the talk page discussion under "Hostilities with Pandavas". There, another user (Dinesh) has cited some primary source to correct a few words, but for that this editor removed a whole chunk of content with secondary sources, some not even related to the discussion in talk page. The said secondary sources are all scholarly material by Indologists Kevin Mcgrath and Alf Hiltebetel.

I checked the previous edits of this editor who made the last edit on Karna page, and other pages like Pandavas. Correct info from Mahabharata with reference to secondary sources by published scholars like Kevin Mcgrath have been removed and replaced by other sources and content with flawed grammar.

Please have a look at it. I would like to understand if this kind of removal and edits is allowed in Wikipedia.

(PatientWaiter (talk) 17:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC))
 * , could you take a look at this? Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 17:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for involving Divyam here. We will wait for him to reply. Meanwhile, just wanted to clarify, are google ebook links to books described as "imaginative transcreation" (in other words, fictionalized novels on the epic) in their product description in Goodreads and Amazon allowed as "reliable" sources in Wikipedia? This is relevant to Karna wiki edits.

(PatientWaiter (talk) 03:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC))


 * Thanks for adding me into this discussion.

Sir, I have not removed the whole of the chunk in the article Karna under section "Hostilities with Pandavas". Some part of the content in the above section have different majority views so I removed them, also I wish to keep due contents. There are about 157 references in the article Karna and approx. 50 plus references are from a single source [Kevin Mc Grath], His references are all over the articles, so removing few lines doesn't mean that I’m removing his references.

Regarding edits at Pandava, I do checked and confirmed that I have not removed/deleted any live reference by scholar like Kevin Mc Grath. Also, I would like to admit that, maybe I have done some mistakes due to ignorance, but, don’t have any bad intentions behind that.

Thanks Divyam Seth (talk) 05:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello ,

Thanks for taking out your time to respond. I am not doubting your intention which I am sure was good. However, please note, 1. Your edit has slightly disrupted the flow in the article as it has removed one of the reasons behind the "hostility" between Karna and Pandavas. 2. You have added google ebook link to a fictionalized novel named "Karna the Unsung Warrior" by Umesh Kotru as a "reliable source", although as per Wiki policies, "secondary sources" should include scholarly, academic materials only. Not fiction novels. I would request RegentsPark to correct me if I am wrong.

3. In Pandavas page, the lead section has some grammatical errors. Do you mind if I correct it?

(PatientWaiter (talk) 05:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC))


 * Hello, Thank you so much. I will look into the paragraph again, also will be happy if you can provide your suggestions in talk page of the article. I do agree with your point no.2 and will do necessary changes and you are most welcome to correct the grammatical errors in pandava page. 06:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)Divyam Seth (talk)

, Thanks a lot for your cooperation. I have brushed up the Pandavas lead section. You may have a look to see if you need me to add anything else.

I will check the Karna talk page later, maybe tomorrow. For now, you may revert the change. Dinesh's main disagreement was with the wh*** word and the mention of the term "s*x**l assault". I agree with Kevin Mcgrath, having read both sacred-text source as well as the Critical Edition of Mahabharata. But for the sake of a peaceful consensus, you may replace wh*** with "unchaste" as given in the primary source sacred-text provided by him. Feel free to tag me, if you need any help in the future for Mahabharata related pages. :) (PatientWaiter (talk) 06:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC))

Kashmir conflict page
Hi RegentsPark

I spent a lot of time collection all the information and the references and editing the Kashmir conflict page so that it flow correctly with all the references. MarkH21 changed it back. Just let me know what is wrong with it and I will change those areas Johnleeds1 (talk) 14:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't make wholesale changes to an article on a controversial subject. Suggest your changes, in small chunks, on the talk page, then, assuming no one objects, make them. If there are objections, discuss them and get consensus. --regentspark (comment) 15:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that RegentsPark. I did try to do it like that but the change was to make it flowed through the history of the conflict, in chronological order and to add links to the treaties, the legislation and the UN security council resolutions, that went with those events. When I tried to do it in small bits, it did not read correctly. Even though MarkH21 has reverted the changes, they are still in the history of the article now, I have left a note in the talk section of the page for people to review my changes and let me know what needs changing. You are welcome to have a look at at them too. Once people have suggested any changes, I will make those changes. I will give people a few days to review them. They could also make changes after I have readded them. Johnleeds1 (talk) 15:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Bear in mind that, in most cases, it is very difficult to deal constructively with one massive change. I once again suggest making small changes rather than one big one or you'll likely run into trouble. --regentspark (comment) 15:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Help with Article
Hi, I wanted to ask if this paragraph in the article Rathore is alright.

"Some of the Maratha clans claim to be of Rathore origin. However they claim descent from the Somavansha via the Rashtrakutans that belonged to Yaduvansha from Vrishni warrior Satyaki, unlike the Rajput Rathore's who claim descent from the Suryavansha. ".

This person has used a single word from a colonial historian (not sure) and has used other references which define the Yaduvanshi origin of the Rashtrakutas but not of the so called Maratha Rathods. Please do have a look, thanks. —Ranadhira (talk) 18:42, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Comment
I have to leave you a note here,

Okay, I get it, you've had positive experiences with this user in the past, but please do not dismiss my complaints as 'pure disagreement' without knowing what I've had to be dealing with. What I see is just, as I said, persistent attempts to destroy an FAC, waste time, and prove a point, all driven by ego and agenda rather than goodwill and food for improvement. It's very easy to say, "just ignore", but if I do, it will look as though I didn't address what could have been a constructive set of comments (which it wasn't but how would anyone know?). So I have to go and respond to each one his comments, which are pure nitpicking which only rarely offer something constructive or actionable. Even HJ Mitchell went to read what he wrote and implied it was just a waste of time. Constant WP:OR, dismissing perfectly reliable sources, comparing it to Pather Panchali (a film from the 1950s which I reviewed for GA actually) with 'nah, it's not on that level, look how many books it uses and how many this article does'. If this is a constructive comment or a fair comparison, then what can I say. Just looking for pretexts for his initial gratuitous oppose is not a review. I thought I could move on to work on Shabana Azmi's article, and I'm still stuck with this thing. So yes, it's easy coming by a leaving a comment about him not being as bad as others say, but try reading his comments first, I don't think you'll find it as easy. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  16:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. Will comment shortly.--regentspark (comment) 14:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Help with Yadav Article
Hello sir, I’m a Wikipedian who is writing this anonymously to you in anticipation of a fair, unbiased help. Dear Sir, I’ve been seeing the Yadav page and edits surrounding it, and there’s a particular person named Sitush who’s been vehemently editing the page and pages related to the community, also additionally the political parties whose leaders belong to this community, and has been reluctantly reverting progressive edits/ updates and has been keenly adamant to show the community in bad light in the name of keeping Wikipedia neutral. He is far from neutrality, and has even used languages which are inappropriate to users who try to add edits to the pages for improvement. Sir, he is acting as an administrator on those pages, imposing administrative warnings and warring every progressive approach on those pages. At several times, he has arguably edited and added conflicting, derogatory statements. Sir, as a free Wikipedian it’s my request to you, please look into this matter. Wikipedia is made by us Wikipedians who work to keep it updated. No person has to be authoritative for a particular caste, or caste related topics, and sir, believe me, I’m writing this because this person has been spreading hate indirectly-specifically targeted at this community. Thank you very much sir.
 * Hi. I've reverted the article to what appears to be the last stable version so you should use the article talk page Talk:Yadav to discuss your proposed changes. --regentspark (comment) 00:15, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear Sir, I am writing this here to you because there is a lot of discussion going on at the talk page of Yadav, and many objections which are valid have been placed by many Wikipedians, especially regarding the main photograph that shows the community in bad light, people have tried to replace it with better pictures, and even have provided with proper certification and reference, but this one person Sitush has been waging a war towards every Wikipedian who is trying to contribute to that page. It feels like he is literally owning tht sensitive community page and preventing any edit, also adding stuff that is derogatory and attacking under the belt. Sir, you can see what and how he responds to fellow Wikipedians, he even sometimes responds via slurs or casteist hate statements, his remarks are often something that does not suit a Wikipedian. Sir, he has been handling very biased all way long. Kindly help Sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.148.144.254 (talk) 05:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

WHY ARE YOU SILENT? Why are you not responding? Sitush is in direct conflict and is working as a hatemonger against a community. Why are you an administrator? Can’t you help to just change the main image of that page, that’s showing that particular community in dim light, that’s been constantly being uploaded by that person against a caste. YOU ARE AN ADMINISTRATOR, we consider you unbiased, kindly know that whatever sourced image we are using, that person is constantly removing it. Look into the matter for God’s sake, let Wikipedia be neutral. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.148.144.254 (talk) 11:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi. It is best that you discuss this on the article talk page. --regentspark (comment) 12:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Revision in the article on Mughal-Maratha Wars
Hi friend, you had undone my revision and asked for appropriate sources in the article Mughal-Maratha Wars. I have undone your revision. I have added the sources as per your request. Thanks for letting me know about my mistake, Cheers. Charvak157 (talk) 13:40, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

These above mentioned sources mistakenly got copied on this talk page. Please don't consider them. I have provided my sources in the article on Mughal-Maratha Wars. Thank you Charvak157 (talk) 13:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * . No worries. Sources are important in historical articles so thanks for adding those in. Best. --regentspark (comment) 14:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Urgent: 2020 stock market crash article
Hello RegentsPark! I need advice/assistance in recruiting other editors to help me record what's going on in the global financial markets on the 2020 stock market crash article for the foreseeable future. But I do not know where to find soldiers. Could you help? It's urgent because as of this writing the Dow Jones Industrial Average is down 1,700 points today; its worst day since this past March. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * 1,800 points at close. -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi CommonKnowledgeCreator. Not sure who would be interested. Though I follow the markets, I've given up trying to understand them so I won't be of any use at all. Sorry!--regentspark (comment) 20:04, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


 * But you're an administrator. You can't tell me where I could recruit other Wikipedia editors for such a project? -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You could try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Finance & Investment. But, be warned, that project pages are not always well watched. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is a distributed effort that works organically and centrality is not its strong suit. You could also look at the editors at Financial crisis of 2007–2008 and see who is active and ask them to chip in. --regentspark (comment) 20:16, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting Yaduvanshi Rajput
Thank you regentspark for protecting Yaduvanshi Rajput page, which was a victim of so many vandal attacks on it. But someone removed very first line of 3rd paragraph that stated "The origin of Chudasama Dynasty is from Abhira clan of Sind" and also it's reference from the book "Archeological Survey of India", Page no.10 :- https://books.google.com/books?id=bPNEAAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Chudasama+Dynasty+abhira Maybe it was done while protection was being implemented on the page and this edit of unexplained removal of information might have been slipped out while checking. Please include it back. And again thanks for protecting page.
 * Could you please take this to the article talk page? I'm not competent to evaluate edits in this area. Thanks.--regentspark (comment) 20:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

This is the article = Yaduvanshi Rajput, Mr.regentspark. I'm not familiar with wikipedia so I don't know more about all this but I know someone removed our(Chudasama) origin from Abhira clan. It was there a few days ago. Please if you can help with this one. Thank you sir.
 * Just copy the comment above and paste it at Talk:Yaduvanshi Rajput. Someone there will look at it. I'll post a link to this discussion there and you can add your comment below that. --regentspark (comment) 21:56, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Tipu Sultan article. Bias by RegentsPark
I made an edit to the intro in Tipu Sultan article adding about his religious policies (both critical and praising views). This is in line with another similar article Aurangzeb. You reverted it to an earlier edit which censored certain things and which was added without consensus, and you asked me to build consensus to make the edit. You did the same thing last month which makes me question if you are an involved admin and abusing your powers to push your POV. One third of the article discusses his religious policy and you are adamant on keeping a single line for it in the intro violating WP:DUE and WP:CENSOR. The article remains in a censored state for over a month because of you. Is your position "Article must be kept censored by default, until consensus is obtained"?

Edithgoche (talk) 12:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought it was fairly clear but, please note that this was not an admin action.--regentspark (comment) 13:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. I changed the title accordingly. Now, WP:CONSENSUS states that "Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus." My edit done on March 8 stayed like that for two months, thus it has consensus as per WP:CONSENSUS. On May 5, Aman.kumar,goel removed the edit  which I reverted back the same day. Thus, it is his edit that lacked consensus. Yet, you upheld his edit, struck down my edit and asked me to get consensus. This is biased judgment by you  Edithgoche (talk) 18:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you are seeing. Aman Kumar Goel responded on May 6th, Abecedare commented on May 5th twice, I could go on. With what logic are you saying that no one has commented? There is clearly no consensus for inclusion of your material. BTW, we should be discussing this on the article talk page and I'm going to move all this there. --regentspark (comment) 18:45, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This post is about your decision and not about the article, here is why I think your decision is biased. Aman Kumar Goel's edit was done at 11:41, 5 May 2020. I reverted it to my version at 15:44, 5 May 2020, which made his edit non-consensus. You asked me to get consensus at 17:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC). You reverted the article back to Aman's version at 17:27, 5 May 2020, by which point you have upheld a non-consensus edit(Aman's) over mine (a consensus edit that stayed for two months). Only after all of this did Abecedabre's first comment appear at 18:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC). Anyway, I am going to drop this and I am moving the issue to DRN. Edithgoche (talk) 03:50, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * DRN a good idea. --regentspark (comment) 13:25, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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