User talk:Rehgloc

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Hello, Rehgloc, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits to the page Bohemian Grove did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may have been removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or in other media. Always remember to provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles.

To be specific: There were two main issues. One was the citation links you provided were to a Scribd copy of Mother Jones, which was likely to be a copyright violation of some kind. Many people post things to Scribd without permission. But both the Scribd and YouTube links you provided gave no indication of their provenance (i.e. air date, reporter etc).

The other issue was the factoid you included that Frank Clogher provided info to ABC for their report. Does that come from inside the Nightline report, or from somewhere else?

Anyway, as it turns out, Mother Jones is available legally on Google Books - I think that's where the Scribd poster got it. I'm going to try to re-enter a version of what you submitted, with proper citation. Feel free to take a look at the edits I did.

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 * Hi, Krelnick. Thanks for your note. Sorry if I did not follow protocol, but I was checking the Bohemian page for another purpose and was stunned was the absence of info. The situation is that I’m Rick Clogher (not Frank, as you stated) the author of the Mother Jones piece. I was at Mother Jones from 1979 into 1984 and then again in the mid- to late ‘90s.


 * I was so eager to set up an account and provide new info, that in my haste I set up a username that was supposed to be my last name backward, but I misspelled the backward version.


 * The original Mother Jones piece is from the August 1980 issue. I did some searching to try to find a record of the ABC broadcast piece. Lowell Bergman produced it when he was at 20/20, before he went to 60 Minutes at CBS. So the fact of me giving him information is from firsthand knowledge. How is that handled, or is it simply deemed “not verifiable”?


 * I’ll try to do better in the future. Rehgloc (talk) 02:41, 9 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for replying. And thanks for admitting your identity, I guessed that might be the case after the fact when I looked at your username again. Firsthand knowledge is almost impossible to use on Wikipedia due to the verifiability rule. I compromised on the ABC thing and just added it to the end of the same paragraph with mention of your article, mentioning that it aired around the same time. Many readers will put 2 and 2 together on that, you don't have to be an insider to notice that news orgs often crib topics from each other. I cited it to the record of the segment in Vanderbuilt TV news archive rather than that YouTube clip (which technically is a copyright violation.


 * Do be careful editing things that relate to work you've done yourself, as there are rules regarding conflict of interest editing. When in doubt, go to the "talk" page attached to the content you want to edit, and start a discussion topic and one of the other editors on that article can make the edit in your place. Cheers. --Krelnik (talk) 13:33, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again, Krelnik, and thanks for the tips on how to approach things in the future. As I said this was my first time, and it was compounded by the fact that MoJo does not have a comprehensive archive of issues from its predigital days. Cheers. Rehgloc (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2018 (UTC)