User talk:Reigningbc

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Proposed deletion of Brandon Cyrus


The article Brandon Cyrus has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Fails WP:NACTOR as he as only done bit and extra parts. Nobility is not inherited, so Cyrus name means nothing.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Bgwhite (talk) 05:19, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed the PROD as I feel the subject meets WP:NACTOR however, I would strongly suggest finding sources. :-) ♥ Solarra ♥  ♪ Talk ♪  ߷  ♀ Contribs ♀ 06:38, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Brandon Cyrus. ''Please stop reverting changes. IMDb CANNOT be used as a reference as it is unreliable. Anybody can edit IMDb. Per WP:NACTOR, somebody only having bit parts is not notable and does not have an article. Nobility is not inherited. Being a "Cyrus" means nothing. You should not be editing one own's page. You are biased. Any further reverting will result in being banned. Any further threats will result in being banned.

'' Bgwhite (talk) 06:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I saw that you edited or created Brandon Cyrus, and I noticed that your username, "BrandonCyrus", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Trammel Museum of Art". However, you are invited to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you personally, such as "Mark at WidgetsUSA", "Jack Smith at the XY Foundation", and "WidgetFan87". Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people, and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, or website, regardless of your username. Moreover, I recommend that you read our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please create a new account or request a username change that complies with our username policy. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ Talk ♪  ߷  ♀ Contribs ♀ 06:45, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE Hello Solarra, we will request a new username. Also can you please discuss the questions we put on your talk page awhile ago? Thanks. -BCT

User/BrandonCyrus
Hello Solarra, we will request a new username. Also can you please discuss the questions we put on your talk page awhile ago? Thanks. -BCT

Talkback
♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ Talk ♪  ߷  ♀ Contribs ♀ 07:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE Hello Solarra, we left a talk back for you as well. Please help us and give us an insight on sources and help contribute to our page. We'd be very thankful!
 * I suggest looking at WP:Source, generally though books, magazines, academic journals, things of the sort you'd put on a high school or college paper. The idea is that you want to prove what you said was researched and not just something made up.  ♥ Solarra ♥  ♪ Talk ♪  ߷  ♀ Contribs ♀

UPDATE Solarra, you put on your page that you love to contri bute to helping pages in distress. Why not offer your help? --BrandonCyrus (talk) 07:34, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Brandon Cyrus for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Brandon Cyrus is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Brandon Cyrus until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Dudel250 (talk) 07:53, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE Sol, Big, and I have already talked about the pages issues. It doesn't need to be up for deletion as it is currently under edit. Thanks. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 07:58, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Dudel250 (talk) 08:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't delete the template, add your voice to the discussion, that discussion is what decides the final outcome of the article. ♥ Solarra ♥  ♪ Talk ♪  ߷  ♀ Contribs ♀ 08:05, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. Dudel250 (talk) 08:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Our mistake. Sorry. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 08:10, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * What is this team you speak of? are you being paid to make this page? Dudel250 (talk) 08:24, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * - Hi Dude, great question! We are a social media team here at Brandon Cyrus, Inc. We make his websites, social networks, promote his products, answer his emails, etc. That last question violates Wikipedia's Privacy Policy. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 08:34, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry but it is recommended that you state when you are being paid for editing and it is highly discouraged. Please see [[Wikipedia:Paid editing (essay)|WP:Paid

editing]]
 * Also i dont see why a company would be called "brandon cyrus inc" and you will be highly scrutinized if you are lying Dudel250 (talk) 08:52, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * We are not paid to make his Wikipedia account or any other account, we are only paid for making his websites and answering his emails. Brandon Cyrus, Inc. 619.754.8999 is a 401 corp that manufactures Brandon Cyrus brand name items such as t shirts and accessories such as iPhone from our collection "CyrusMerch". Stop being so skeptical, this isn't an FBI website. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 08:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * What i find from searching your company on google is a company that makes womens and mens clothing and has just coincidence for the name, i still don't think you're telling the truth and trying to lie. and what do you mean by "FBI website" ? Dudel250 (talk) 09:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * We have a website you can visit at bccorp.org, we also have an email for help which is help@bccorp.org. We appreciate your concerns, however there is no need to ask and assume these things as they are irrelevant to our page. Thank you. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 09:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * "'What We Specialize In Whether you want us to work for you or help train your current human resource employees, we can help!'" Isn't anything to do with the celebrity 'Brandon Cyrus' and only has a employee with the same name that isn't related, Please stop lying or i will report you on the administrators noticeboard Dudel250 (talk) 09:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you know what a human resource person is? It's someone who helps companies with communicating with customers, employees, etc. Get your facts straight. I'm not lying about anything and report me if you wish. Thanks! :) --BrandonCyrus (talk) 09:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Why are we even arguing about this? We're not paid at all or endorsed. Can we please call it quits and be okay with each other? That's all we're asking. I don't want to argue. We're sorry if we offended you at all. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 09:23, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I Reread the website and saw you are affiliated with him, but its in Violating wikipedia policy because you can't edit pages if you have a COI (conflict of interest). Dudel250 (talk) 09:30, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

- Hi Dude. We're not promoting our business services at all, you asked about our company and we told you about it on here. As every other 'actor' 'model' 'politician' they all have management teams that manage their pages so there is no conflict and we are using sources so it is not bias or conflicted. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 09:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for using what appears to be a shared role account. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Yunshui 雲 水 09:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you confirm that access to this account is limited to one person and one person only (i.e. the password is known only to that individual)? Yunshui 雲 水 09:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

As a small company, we only have a few team members and only one "ahem, me" has access to our social media accounts. My email is:. Nice to meet you, my name is Kelly. For our other team members to login to our social sites, we use a software that personalizes logins to be automatic, autofill features. However, following Wikipedia's terms we do not allow autofill on this account. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 10:02, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, based on that assurance I'll unblock this account. There are still several issues that you will need to resolve before you continue editing, however:
 * Since you are not Brandon Cyrus, your username is a violation of Wikipedia's username policy. The first thing you will need to do when unblocked is file a change of username request at the Changing Username board. If you do not do this, your account will quickly be blocked again.
 * Since you are editing on behalf of Brandon Cyrus, you therefore have a conflict of interest with regards to an article about him on Wikipedia. Whilst you are welcome to contribute to the deletion discussion, and to suggest changes to the article by way of the article talkpage, you should not make any edits to the article directly (except to remove blatant vandalism and violations of the biographies policy).
 * You are expected to use your Wikipedia account for your own personal contributions to Wikipedia. Editing on behalf of your team, even if you are the only person with access to this account, is not appropriate. As such, I would strongly suggest you stop using the first person plural to talk about your edits.
 * If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. You can contact me directly via my userpage, or ask for help here and preface your question with the code . You can also get assistance at the Help desk. Yunshui 雲 水  10:14, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

- Thank you so much Yunshui! Can you please give the exact link to the username change page? Sorry for making your morning a bit of a hassle. --BrandonCyrus (talk) 10:24, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Changing username/Simple. Make sure first that your proposed new username meets the username policy and is not already taken. Yunshui 雲 水 10:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as you did with Brandon Cyrus. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Please stop lying about the Result of the AFD being to keep. Dudel250 (talk) 22:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

For your information - I didn't remove ANYTHING. Stop harassing me or I'll report you to the admins and Wikipedia. Thanks. BrandonCyrus (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Then what is This? Dudel250 (talk) 23:08, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

- pay attention to the dates and times. That edit was made when you first put it up, when I told you everyone came to an agreement that the page was fine and you were all like "done" and agreeing in the first part of this talk. And sol was first to tell me not to delete it, because she wanted you to know that the page is page worthy. Please stop creating drama. I have better things to do then going back to high school. BrandonCyrus (talk) 23:14, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

You need to read WP:RS again
I just saw a comment you made at the deletion review, which states in part:
 * There are a lot of forums, etc, and I believe that Twitter can be a secondary because users can post individual things about celebrities

Forums are not reliable sources. Twitter is of limited value as a source. If the subject of an article posts using his or her official, verified Twitter account, then it's treated as a self-published source and can be used in a limited fashion. If it's a fan's Twitter feed, that kind of source is not reliable at all. —C.Fred (talk) 22:30, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Please indicate to me what journalist, or paparazzi actually posts good things about celebrities? None. It's all about the tabloids and the money. It's not like Mark Zuckerburg is gonna post an exclusive article about Brandon Cyrus for being a fan. --Reigningbc (talk) 22:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

No legal threats
Your recent edits could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content, not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you.

"I sent the legal team, who asked that the page will be reinstated on legal terms and that the page cannot be touched." and "I simply said my legal team is talking this over with Wikipedia, and that appropriate actions will be taken for a user who had harassed me on this website."

These are two very different claims, both of which constitute legal threats - you were kindly given a link to the no legal threats policy by Tarc after the first instance, to which you responded with the second mention of sending your legal team to talk to Wikipedia. The policy is extremely clear, as are the consequences of making legal threats - saying that it is not a threat does not change that. bonadea contributions talk 08:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The only legal action we are requesting is against harassment for a user, we are only requesting that the users account gets either 1. suspended, 2. deleted, or 3. their information such as IPs is sent to the police . Nothing too major. It's against the law, and should be dealt with and not ignored! --Reigningbc (talk) 17:38, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but since you are ignoring the No legal threats policy which you have been referred to multiple times (have you actually read it?), I am going to have to report this to the administrators who may or may not decide to block your account.  For the record, there is no legal right for anybody to have a Wikipedia article, and there are no laws that regulate whether a Wikipedia page is protected ("locked") or not.  --bonadea contributions talk 18:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Please remove the block request, I'm sorry but I just woke up and I didn't have time to read the article. I have now read it and I agree however I was confused as to whether you wanted me to delete my comments or not. --Reigningbc (talk) 18:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Striking out all the comments (add around the comments in question) where you mention legal action, and stating very clearly in the DR discussion that you have no intention of "sending your legal team" to Wikipedia or seeking any kind of legal action against Wikipedia or any Wikipedia editor, would probably suffice. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 18:38, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


 * All words pertaining legal and law have been crossed out and an explanation was posted. --Reigningbc (talk) 18:50, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 18:06, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * What User does he mean? ? Dudel250 (talk) 23:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * He never mentioned that, and I have not seen anything that amounts to harassment so I won't speculate. In any case he retracted all that. --bonadea contributions talk 04:54, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Please Chill
Its natural for a new editor whose article has been deleted to be upset and confused by the way this place works. Its also natural for this to manifest through aggressive posts to DRV, ANI and user talk pages. We do make allowances, however, there does eventually have to be a point where we have to warn warn the user that they have reached the point that they need to stand back and let the article go. Your recent posts to JzG's talk page went too far and I'm asking you nicely now to pause, read our civility policy and stop posting personal attacks. If you continue the next step will be the removal of your editing privileges for a short period. Thanks. Spartaz Humbug! 16:26, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * unless you're gonna reinstate my page to where it only has the opening topic line, the film part, and the early life part -- I'm sorry but no I won't chill. I'm sick of you admins abusing your powers. I'm sick of being treated like trash because I'm a new editor and I don't fit in your cliques. What I said above is all I want, you can keep the acting career, modeling career, and discovery. However, I still want Brandon Cyrus' page to remain on Wikipedia. Thanks. Reigningbc (talk) 16:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You can't say you weren't warned. By all means contact the foundation but they won't overrule the community on this. If you continue this onwiki you will be blocked. Spartaz Humbug! 21:14, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Enough
There's no point explaining to you yet again why the article was deleted or why your constant kvetching about it is beyond boring by now. At this point you have two options: drop it or leave. Guy (Help!) 20:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You can't give me a reason for the deletion of the page so I'm contacting Wikipedia's email service for misconduct. --Reigningbc (talk) 20:44, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Reigningbc, I'm not an admin, just another user like you. Happened to see this issue pop up on ANI and I wanted to give you another opinion.
 * There was a reason given for the deletion: that the subject does not meet our criteria for notability. You disagree, and that's fine. However, you cannot force this issue. Until you can find enough valid reliable sources to meet the notability guidelines, the article isn't going up. Just insisting that he does meet the guideline isn't persuasive.
 * It's probably best if you just take a break for a while, and then see if you can find some more articles that demonstrate how this person is notable enough to meet our guidelines. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 22:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Reigninbc, if you email then you will almost certainly get a boilerplate message saying that the Foundation does not get involved in deletion discussions and sending you back here. I confidently predict that you will misrepresent that as an invitation to re-open the DRV. It is not. It is a template message (I know, I have sent it hundred if not thousands of times over the years - "Why was my article deleted" on the menu). The problem is not everybody else, the problem is you. You refuse to accept a consensus that is against you, and you do so noisily and all over the place. At this point you are a whisker away from being shown the door. This is a fact. Guy (Help!) 22:43, 12 May 2014 (UTC)