User talk:Relpoleco

Your submission at Articles for creation: Joseph Marron (June 19)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Joseph Marron (July 3)
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StarryGrandma (talk) 21:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

[Note: I have moved your comment out of the review box and put it here]
 * [...] edit/response: the way editors view "notability" is partially responsible for why it is hard to find good online documentation for inventors & people who make contributions in industry. I tried to add references from a completely separate period / publication in NASA that includes him as one of three people responsible for fixing the hubble/james webb telescope. He's one of the preeminent optical engineers in the world in areas like laser-based systems, facial recognition, homing missiles, drones, etc. And I don't think it was a complete "accident" that he received the 10m patent... look at the next 100 before and after and most are indecipherable biotech patents. His patent is a LADAR system with massive real world applications / demonstration of US innovation and probably the reason it was semi selected.


 * Sources don't have to be online. But written or otherwise recorded sources need to satisfy the notability requirements at WP:BASIC. There needs to be more than just the single event and there needs to be biographical information about him. As an engineer, "inventing" and filing patents is just part of his job. The article needs to document that he "is one of the world's foremost experts in the field of optical systems engineering". The NASA slide presentation just includes his name; it doesn't go into any details about what he did. We can guess why his patent was selected, though it was nice that he had one in the pipeline at the time, but that's original research on our part, not a reliable source. Also systems can be notable without their creators being notable if nothing has been written about the creator.


 * Though in industry Morran does have journal publications. Professors have the same documentation problem, but since they publish and cite each others' works, WP:ACADEMIC was developed and may cover him. Also his patents generate cites in other patents. I have thought about trying to argue that patent citations should count like paper citations. I will put in something about his education and publications and we will see what it adds up to then. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:49, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * P. S. Put four tilde's like this ~ at the end of your comments to create your signature and time stamp. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:49, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Joseph Marron has been accepted
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 * Happily he was elected a fellow of the Optical Society of America in 2004, and the society has a web page with the reason for each fellow. Nice documentation. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:52, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Relpoleco (talk) 18:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)