User talk:Remember the dot/Archive/10

And now, for Fvasconcellos' traditional nonsectarian holiday greeting!

 * Thanks, and happy new year! —Remember the dot (talk) 00:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Web standards
The change you made to the very first sentence in the intro of the Web standards article was OK, but the paragraph itself was not plagiarized. The site you found copied its lede from that of the Wikipedia article. I wrote this content myself in 2006, after discussion with another editor whose name I don't recall. We were both concerned about the article being abused for advocacy. I had wanted the article to emphasize the breadth of technical standards that fall under the description "web standards", and he wanted to make sure the Firefox-era "web standards movement" was adequately acknowledged. In fact there was a separate stub about it for a while, but I think it got deleted in favor of just someday adding more content to the web standards article. Also I was particularly concerned about the way the term "Web standards" had been hijacked a bit by advocates with somewhat naïve views of how these 'standards' came to exist, what effects they're intended to have, and what the standards bodies are & how they operate, so I try to make sure the article avoids things like what you tried to add, which could be viewed as advocacy. Feel free to discuss further on Talk:Web standards. —mjb (talk) 06:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, sorry for the false accusation of plagiarism then. I've read the article and I've been thinking about the best way to cover web standards. I wanted to capture the idea behind web standards in a single sentence. I wasn't trying to say whether it was a good or bad idea, but I wanted to make the reasoning behind standards clear to the reader. I'll leave some more comments at Talk:Web standards. —Remember the dot (talk) 07:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
I was considering asking you for a co-nom but I saw you hadn't edited yet today. Feel free to add one if you want to.  Enigma msg  05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You're truly welcome. Thanks for thinking of me, though I'm not interested in writing a co-nom. See you around! —Remember the dot (talk) 05:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Dilbert-20050910.png image
In reference to this image contribution (it was a long time ago), the panel is in black-and-white, and you say in the rationale that no better alternative could possibly exist.

But I know of a colored version of this image that you may or may not want to replace it with. Here's the link to it: click here

Was your image intended to be black-and-white to refer to as it appeared in newspapers? Do you want to replace it with a color version? Or do you even care?

Please contact me on my User Talk page. I'll remember the dot. --CornfieldMannequin (talk) 20:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for remembering the dot ;-) I actually don't have a strong opinion on whether the black & white or the color version should be used. —Remember the dot (talk) 06:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Dilbert-20050910_(v.2).JPG
Alright, I got it uploaded. Take a look: click here.

Can you tell me if I shouldn't have done this? Do you like it?--User:CornfieldMannequin (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You made a few mistakes. First, the JPEG format is for photographs. You should have saved the image in PNG format instead, before saving in JPEG destroyed some of the image quality. Second, you didn't draw the comic so you don't own any copyright on it. You should have tagged it using Template:Non-free use rationale and Template:Non-free comic. Upload will help you do this if you select "A cover or other page from a book, DVD, newspaper, magazine, or other such source". And third, because none of us own the copyright over the image you don't need to credit the previous uploaders.


 * I appreciate the effort you're making to learn to do it right - I know it takes time to get the hang of it. I made a lot of mistakes myself when I first started. —Remember the dot (talk) 02:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Dot
I am not "just starting out." I have been a designated User for a year.

Secondly, I see very little difference between the JPG and PNG format of the image. I suppose you uploaded your version because you saw a difference. Many images are under this format. JPG is easy to load, comes with many computers, and I use it all the time. With PNG I have to load up a custom image viewer to view them on my computer.

I put a Free-Use rationale on the image because I had edited the dialog (so it no longer began with "And," much like yours) and the panel was cropped from the original. I felt the obligation to file it like that because it wasn't a direct screenshot.

Anyway, if you want to convert it (Click for original) go ahead. You seem like a very professional three-or-more-year editor.

(Oh, and I'm sorry that I orphaned your image .) Please help! And don't forget to contact me on my User talk page this time. You left your "constructive criticism" on your own page.

Sorry about any trouble. --CornfieldMannequin (talk) 23:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I meant more that you're new at uploading images, sorry if I've offended you. PNG has been around since 1996 and doesn't require any custom image viewer. PNG images can be opened with the Windows Picture and Fax Viewer that comes with Windows XP and Windows Vista. Mac OS X, Ubuntu, and many other operating systems also come with built-in support.


 * If you compare PNG and JPEG closely, you'll notice that PNG looks a lot nicer for non-photographic images:
 * Comparison of JPEG and PNG.png
 * Every time you re-save a JPEG file, you lose even more quality. PNG stays lossless forever. Simple drawings like comic strips also often have smaller file sizes than their JPEG counterparts.


 * Whether or not you feel obligation to the file, you don't own copyright over it. Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, does. Scott Adams reserves all rights, so it is not a free file like you stated. You need to put a non-free use rationale on the image description page, and put Non-free comic under "Licensing". I'd recommend cropping and saving the original again, in PNG format this time so it's crisp and clear, and then uploading it as a new file using the appropriate upload form. Select "Comic book stuff" in the Licensing selector and Non-free comic will be added automatically.


 * And finally, I prefer responding here. My New Years' Resolution for 2009 was to stop fragmenting talk page discussions, so if I left a message on your talk page I'll look for a response there. If you left a message on my talk page I'll respond here. Happy editing! —Remember the dot (talk) 03:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Twinkle as a Gadget
Hi Could you come by User talk:Ioeth and, if possible, clarify something about the Twinkle Gadget and its configuration? Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea  20:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Ifd Ffd
you may also wish to move Template:Ifdc -- Gurch (talk) 02:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:FootballSeason
Thanks, what I really wanted was turning 2009 into 09 i.e. a right part of a string, but I guess I could do a check if the year is less than 10 and then pad also. Thanks! --Stefan talk 03:39, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * gives me 9 if current year is 08, I want to be able to do 2 to get 09 if curent year is 2008. But mw:Extension:StringFunctions is not turned on on en. As the template is now it works and is fine, but it would not have worked last year. So if you wanted to take the same code and use e.g. with a parameter giving the input year it will not work as is since the output year is less than 10 since the expr will give a single digit out, but yes I can use your pad to add a 0 if the result is less than 10. Same thing just two different ways of doing it. --Stefan talk 06:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Hide/Show functions in navboxes
Hello. I am coming from the Manx wikipedia where we are having a little bit of a problem with the navboxes at the bottom of articles. We have been trying for quite a while now to enable the hide/show (collapse/expand) functions in the navigation boxes. I was wondering, if you had a chance, would it be possible to take a look at it or advise me about where I could find that information out. Your help would be very much appreciated. Kind regards, --MacTire02 (talk) 20:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Sadly, I'm not familiar with how navboxes work. I'd ask for help at MediaWiki talk:Common.js. —Remember the dot (talk) 22:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. Thanks anyway. Regards, --MacTire02 (talk) 23:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

About Upload page
Hello, I am trying to the a similar page of Upload page to the one you have created for tr wikipedia. As you ca see from this page. It is almost finished but unfortunately I could not understand the working system of the pages like this one. I would like to learn how I can adapt the turkish ones to tr wiki? I tried to copy these pages but unfortunately they did not work. Could you please help me on this subject? If not, do you know who should I get in contact with? Thanks a lot for your answer upon the matter. --Manco Capac (talk) 14:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Upload/Uploadtext/en-nonfree-albumcover is translcuded into MediaWiki:Uploadtext/en-nonfree-albumcover. If you need to use parameters like $1 and $2, the pages have to be directly in the MediaWiki namespace like MediaWiki:Uploadtext is. I hope that helps! —Remember the dot (talk) 17:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * As far as I understand form your above info that we need to have custom namespace pages for this operation. Than we should add some additional lines to Localsetting.php file. Am I correct? Thanks --Manco Capac (talk) 09:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No new namespaces are required. Maybe MediaWiki isn't handling the Turkish characters properly--try moving tr:MedyaViki:Uploadtext/albüm-kapağı to tr:MedyaViki:Uploadtext/tr-nonfree-albumcover. —Remember the dot (talk) 19:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

padright
In case you missed it, Brion willfully reinstalled the padright hack that allows one to grab the leftmost characters in a string. Dragons flight (talk) 04:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw. I've been thinking that the fairest thing to do would be to go back and limit padright to single-character padding, leaving multiple-character padding as a feature of StringFunctions' pad function. That way padright couldn't be abused, and we could still use it for slicing off the first character if necessary. —Remember the dot (talk) 05:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've been debating throwing gasoline at the issue by implementing a set of rudimentary StringFunctions out of templates. The programmer in me knows that doing so is dreadfully inefficient, but the persistent lack of string support is also ridiculous in my opinion.  Dragons flight (talk) 05:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

gzilla
wasn't gzilla used in dillo? if it was so: when wasn't it in two browsers (or more)? wasn`t it (by logic) a layout engine?  mabdul 0=* 03:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * In a sense, yes, you're right. —Remember the dot (talk) 04:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:All disambiguation pages
Hi Dot. Since you are the one who added Category:All disambiguation pages to the dmbox, and that has now come under discussion, I thought you would be interested. See the discussion over at Template talk:Dmbox.

--David Göthberg (talk) 09:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Delete My Picture
Remember me? Dilbert-20050910.png

A while back I uploaded and,  as you pointed out, the image was flawed. I realize that it should have been a PNG format, and I do notice the offset pixels in my image. So I was wondering if you could try re-uploading the original color image yourself. Because when I right-click on the picture to save it on my computer, the only options I get for saving it is in a Bitmap file or in a GIF file. I heard GIFs lose some color information, and I figured Bitmaps were not much better.

Long story short, I want to delete my image and my image page, but I do not know how I could do that.

I was hoping that maybe you could tell me how, or you could do it, or you could replace it if you were up to it. Please send me some feedback. I'll be looking on this Talk Page for a response, like you mentioned awhile back. --CornfieldMannequin (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note. Save the image from the website in GIF, then open it in Windows Photo Gallery, Paint, the GIMP, or another image editor and re-save it in PNG. I deleted the old JPEG copy; to have images that you have uploaded deleted in the future, add db-author to their file description pages. —Remember the dot (talk) 23:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

About Upload page again!
Hi. First of all thanks for the clue. The problem were the Turkish letters and after removing them the pages worked well. May I ask you another question for this pages? In the english version the licens tags of the selected type of the entry is filtered during the upload page opening process and only the related licens tags appear in the list box. Do you know how this system works? I would like to adapt this to tr wiki. Thanks for your kind answer. --Manco Capac (talk) 09:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I'm glad to hear it worked! The license tag drop-downs are controlled by subpages of MediaWiki:Licenses. —Remember the dot (talk) 18:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for your help. But it does not worked under tr wiki by such method. Do you have any idea what can be wrong? Regards, --Manco Capac (talk) 12:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? What isn't working? —Remember the dot (talk) 18:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I mean the license tags. I have tried to build sub license pages for each type of file upload. unfotunately it did not worked out. For example I have crated the sub license page tr:MedyaViki:Licenses/tr-ownwork but the code: [ own work] does not use the page for filtering the license tags and instead it brings full license page. I am wandering if you have any idea why this does not work? Thanks for your kind answer. --Manco Capac (talk) 11:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I really don't know, but I'll bet that someone at Village pump (technical) does. —Remember the dot (talk) 18:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Substing
Why are you making edits like this that replace a concise template with a boatload of parserfunctions? --NE2 02:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Because I was trying to get rid of Template:drvlinks, since it's been replaced by Template:DRV links and there's not much point in having two ways to do the same thing... —Remember the dot (talk) 02:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You really should be substing recursively. BJ Talk 02:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There certainly is a point if the alternative is a bunch of parserfunctions. If it's been replaced, see if you can redirect or otherwise recurse. Otherwise, deal with it; there's nothing bad about having a redundant template linked on an archive page. --NE2 02:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to start rollbacking your edits, since they clearly worsen the readability of the wikitext with no benefit. --NE2 03:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * *sigh* They're archives. The readability of the wikitext is not all that important. The issue is that it's confusing to have two templates that to an inexperienced user do the same thing. In any case, I'm trying to figure out how to make AWB recursively substitute templates. —Remember the dot (talk) 03:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They're archives, so there's absolutely no benefit to substing, especially with that mess. (Think: if an inexperienced user might use the "wrong" template after seeing it in an archive, how do you know he wouldn't copy the parsercluster?) --NE2 03:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Because it would be a huge pain to copy the parsercluster versus using Template:DRV links. But if it's Template:drvlinks versus Template:DRV links then which one he's supposed to use is not nearly so clear. In any case, I am trying to figure out how to substitute the templates through recursively which would be the best of both worlds. —Remember the dot (talk) 03:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I still don't see how that would be preferable to simply leaving them be. Would it be better for someone to copy the old template or the cleaned-up substed text? What are the chances of someone copying from the archives anyway? --NE2 04:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want to revert me and reinstate Template:drvlinks, fine. Template:drvlinks is not just linked to from those archive pages though; there are several other places where a user could stumble across it. —Remember the dot (talk) 04:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Number of featured articles
Featured article statistics is broken. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything is broken; please undo it all, and discuss on talk before making changes. We don't want to edit two different pages when adding and removing FAs.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It's all fixed now, and you no longer have to edit the FA count anywhere when adding or removing FAs. —Remember the dot (talk)
 * Not fixed. WP:FA has one number, WP:FAS has another.  We have kept that number scrupulously correct for years by doing it manually.  I do not want any auto tally; I want it manual.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * They both read the same number now. If you really want manual tally we can do manual tally, but why would you prefer that over having it automatic? —Remember the dot (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I't still all wrong; the correct number is 2464. Please discuss this on my talk. I am not going to trust automatic after so many years of keeping the number accurate. It's wrong now. Please discuss FA changes on talk (see my talk page). Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * RTD, your efforts to automate the process are much appreciated, but could you revert for now and discuss with Gimmetrow and on WP:FA before continuing your efforts, so that we don't have flustered FAC delegates and inaccurate counts? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 21:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Acid 3 / Time in cites
go Template:Cite web/doc and scroll down to date: "date: Full date of publication in the same format as the main text of the article. If in ISO 8601 YYYY-MM-DD format, e.g. 2006-02-17, must not be wikilinked; it will be linked automatically. OR: year: Year of publication, and month: Name of the month of publication. If you also have the day, use date instead. Must not be wikilinked."

I do think I was right in converting them!  mabdul 0=* 08:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * We stopped wikilinking dates in citations a while ago; apparently the documentation never got updated. The only reason the ISO format was recommended was to make date linking easier, but since date linking is no longer recommended ISO format is no longer necessary. —Remember the dot (talk) 18:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * mmh bad thing not updating the docs...  mabdul 0=* 21:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Acid3 / mobile acid / email acid

 * Other question. I want to create two new article: one about the mobile acid test and one about the mail acid test. Would you help me? starting in a sandbox and after a few weeks updating the sandboxes releasen the part...  mabdul 0=* 14:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Are these tests notable? Have they been publicized and discussed? —Remember the dot (talk) 18:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

the w3c published test is notable. the other need research...  mabdul 0=* 21:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I started now with editing a sandbox: User:Mabdul/sandbox7. There is much data copied from the acid 2 article. more data will follow. links whic are useful will com above the template under a new header for the editing. will see if every link is useful! can you help (I will gove resources) to upload images? I'm not very familiar with the upload of images. mabdul 19:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)