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Nanking Massacre
Snorri offered a new table which I can see many western historian who support the death figure range from 200,000 to 300,00. Thus I think current figure 40,000 to 200,000 is not Neutral. Hence, I proposal "The number of deaths is contested among scholars, whose estimates range from 40,000 to 300,000". I need a consensus so I need to ask all editors who join this discussion before. Please go to the talk page of Nanking Massacre and leave you passage. I offer my proposal in section "table of death toll estimates by scholars".I use boldface to offer this proposal. I just want to know whether you agree my proposal. Thank you.My ID is Miracle dream.Please don't continue the endless debate and see my proposal. The purpose of debate is to get a consensus to change the wiki article, not debate for debate.Miracle dream (talk) Can you tell me whether you can agree with the proposal "The number of deaths is actively contested: most scholars' estimates range from 40,000 to over 300,000; the latter is also the official Chinese figure". If you disagree with this, can you tell me the way you want to change for this proposal? I don't want to continue the endless debate, if most of people agree with the proposal, I want to change it firstly and continue to discuss later. Miracle dream (talk) I can wait and accept not to push but Curly Turkey require everyone to agree with a consensus. That means there will be no vote forever. We must convince everyone. If one or two disagree with the consensus, we should continue to discuss. Moreover, if we get a consensus, suddenly a new guy come to reject this consensus, we will reboot the discussion and continue this endless discussion. Hence, how can I accept such an Unreasonable way to deal with this discussion. If there is someone like Banzaibilitz, he will never accept your idea whatever you say. Even you find lots of figures to convince him. he will always find a way to deny and never accept what you say.Miracle dream (talk) OK. If the discussion started a vote, please remind me in my talk page. I will join the vote but I have on more word to say in that discussion page. I have stated whatever I want to say but if require everyone's agreement, I have no way to achieve that. Hence,the only thing I can do is to vote. If the vote stated, just remind me.Miracle dream (talk) Also I want to remind you that Kamakatsu will never accept your opinion no matter what evidence you provide. If you want to debate with him, you should realize this when you debate.Miracle dream (talk) The problem is if we don't use vote to deal with this. This discussion will never end because someone will never accept a consensus. I wonder how we solve this discussion. I try to ask administrator to join this and help us to make a consensus but nobody reply me.I think the best way to deal with this is to require an administer from at least two administrator. Can you find some administrator to deal with this discussion? Miracle dream (talk)
 * I guess Voting is not really an option. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Voting. I am sorry but I don't know any admin. Also, I think we should wait for Snorri, Zmflavius, etc. to chime in. Remotepluto (talk) 05:33, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * ：I guess they don't want to continue in this endless discussion. It is probably nobody will join again. If you need my attitude, just remind me. I will try to find administrators to manage this. This discussion is really mess. Everybody can simply denied for no reason and register a new ID to act a new editor. Miracle dream (talk)

I hope you can provide a proposal because you find lots of figures to support. Hence, I think you provide a proposal is the best choice. You provide lots of figures but never offer a proposal. That make nobody know your opinions. This figures make people feel you just want to debate and no purpose for that. I know maybe I will never have a consensus but at least everyone should offer an attitude for this. From these reason, I think you should make a proposal. I feel there is no use to debate a lot. I suggest you to use bold words to write a proposal. Miracle dream (talk)
 * So I did. I welcome your opinion. Remotepluto (talk) 03:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)