User talk:Renaati

A belated welcome!


Here's wishing you a belated welcome to Wikipedia, Renaati! I see that you've already been around a while and wanted to thank you for your contributions. Though you seem to have been successful in finding your way around, you may still benefit from following some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:


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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Important notice
Hi ,

Please note that you are currently prohibited from editing about the history of Jews and antisemitism in Poland during World War II (1933–45), including the Holocaust in Poland. This is because you have not yet made 500 edits to the English Wikipedia.

The restriction is "broadly construed", which means that if you are unsure if an edit is affected by the restriction, it probably is. Details about the decision can be found at the "Amendment (September 2021)" section of the arbitration case about antisemitism in Poland; details about the restriction can be found at the "Extended confirmed restriction" section of the committee's procedures.

I have removed your statement from the current case request as the restriction applies to internal discussions including arbitration cases.

Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for letting me know.
 * I think it would be helpful if the restriction was clearly indicated on the case request page (i.e. at the top). I was not aware of it myself and you can probably expect to see more people running into it, given how high-profile this case is.
 * I hope you'll still keep in mind the things I mentioned in the removed message as I believe they're valid and important regardless of how many edits I have. I'm personally suspicious that the person who brought it up did so as exactly the kind of "divide-and-conquer on technicalities" behaviour I was talking about. I have some experience with this sort of actor, and they will do everything they can to weaponise procedural quirks in their favour and cut up the case into smaller pieces that can be buried in rules lawyering, obscuring the larger picture of what they're doing.
 * Wikipedia's consensus-ruled model is highly vulnerable to this type of exploitation, and if this case goes sideways, it will absolutely be used by the editors concerned to say they have consensus on their side - that is, in favour of nationalist historical revisionism, and Holocaust misinformation, on Wikipedia. I hope that doesn't happen. Renaati (talk) 21:00, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll keep the suggestion in mind; perhaps it becomes a common issue and a note at the top of the page may actually be added. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:32, 17 February 2023 (UTC)