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Merry Christmas!
Hi John,

Thank you for the Christmas wishes. I hope you and yours have a merry Christmas as well. It has been a pleasure to interact with you here on Wikipedia.

Neelix (talk) 19:14, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And you David. Thank you very much for the message. It really is the most wonderful time of the year. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  19:39, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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She Has a Name
Hi John,

Might you have time to comment on my new FAC? I recently started one here for She Has a Name. This is often a busy time of year, so I understand if you can't spare the time right now.

Neelix (talk) 14:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure thing, I'll be there. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  17:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you again for the thorough review, John; I greatly appreciate your support. There are now four different editors who have supported the FAC, so hopefully that will be enough. Might you be willing to perform a source review? I think that's the only thing missing at this point. Neelix (talk) 16:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  11:42, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

 * Thank you Gavin! This is lovely. Felicitous Greetings of the Season to you too my friend! :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  10:06, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Greetings
If you should get the chance before, during or after the holiday celebrations, it would be great if you could look in on my languishing FAC nomination, A Handful of Dust, and see if you can restore it to life! Only if time allows, obviously. Brianboulton (talk) 18:43, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the lovely note, Brian! I will look in when time allows—hopefully before the big day. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  19:20, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

 * Cheers Hawkeye, you too :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  11:21, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Merry
To you and yours FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:31, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you Bill, this is lovely. I will put them on the tree with the others. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  12:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Golden Wiki 2014
Thank you for your congratulatory post. Pendright (talk) 17:58, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, you deserve it. Thank you for your service—both on-wiki and, more pertinently, in WWII. My own late grandfather like you served in the U.S. Navy in the Pacific during World War II, so your presence here with us has a particularly special significance for me. A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and all your loved ones, Pendright. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  18:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Geseende kersfees
Howzit Cliftonian,

If you can't get the tongue twister, it's "Heh-send-day kahsh-fears" (to rebelliously Anglophone ears like yours and mine) vir jou en jou familie ook. Here's to another year of improving on our Afrikaans ;)

Thanks for the holiday wishes, and a very Merry Christmas to you too. --Katangais (talk) 18:31, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Geseende Kersfees en Gelukkige Nuwe Jaar—maar ek dink nie dat my Afrikaans beter in 2015. Vir jou, dalk! Kersfees in die Heilige Land is spesiale. Baie dankie meneer. Lekker 2015! —  Cliftonian   (talk)  20:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
 Dear, HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions! From a fellow editor, FWiW  Bzuk (talk) 20:47, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

This message promotes WikiLove. Originally created by Nahnah4 (see "invisible note"). Cheers matey —  Cliftonian   (talk)  03:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Phoenix clubs
Thanks for the ping. Maybe you won't like my contribution but I believe it to be consistent with the aims of the project. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:50, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not a matter of me liking your opinion or not—I just thought it would make for a better conversation if you took part. I think you know what I think of the whole thing but nevertheless I'd much rather the conversation were engaging and varied in terms of viewpoints rather than a steamroll job. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  11:22, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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GA reviews
Hi Cliftonian! I hope all is well with you and yours. I'm really sorry to ask in light of your sterling work over the Congo Crisis and elsewhere, but I've got so many uncompleted GA nominations going at the moment that I feel I have to -

Would you consider doing the GA review of South Kasai or Congolese Independence Speech? I'm afraid I'm not going to be so active on wiki for the next six months or so (real life is such a bore!) so as much as I can get rapped up soon the better! Anyway, let me know if you have a moment to take a look. South Kasai, in particular, should require little further work to pass. All the best! —Brigade Piron (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Brigade Piron! I would be happy to help out. I'm afraid I am quite busy over the next couple of days but I will try to find the time. If you could let me know a target time that would be helpful. Cheers —  Cliftonian   (talk)  09:44, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Fantastic! Not to worry, there's not fixed date as such but if you get a chance in the next week or two, I'd certainly appreciate it. All best, —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

MK Dons colours and badge
I'm afraid that I really don't know. Abcmaxx might be better bet. I wasn't party to the negotiations that went on over the boycott and the supporters' club recognition, but the timing is close - I don't know or have forgotten the precise order of events. Was it in response to the chorus of disapproval or in anticipation? Annoyingly, our local paper has withdrawn internet access to its archive so I am afraid you would have to go through reels of microfilm in the library for the nitty gritty. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for this John. If I find anything out I'll let you know. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  09:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably a long shot, but I wrote Milton Keynes Dons F.C. at the time and I vaguely remember some mention in the FSF minutes/annual reports or perhaps other sources there that I cited. I don't have time to search them again but perhaps the citations will give you some clues. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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Book review
Hi Cliftonian, I've rather belatedly only just noticed that you'd posted a book review to WikiProject Military history/News/January 2015/Book reviews! Thanks a lot for this. Nick-D (talk) 10:49, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, glad you liked it. =) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  13:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Precious again
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Thank you for quality articles for project military history, especially on Rhodesia, such as Rhodesian mission in Lisbon, for excellent reviewing, for being "happy to receive correspondence" - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC) Two years ago, you were the 368th recipient of my  Pumpkin Sky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda! :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  13:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CVI, January 2015
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Ernest Melville Charles Guest
Hi there, all good with you? I'm thinking of nominating Ernest Melville Charles Guest (son of the other Guest) for GA. It's a rather short article but then so was his life. Too short? Any areas you think need expanding/improving? FunkyCanute (talk) 10:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi FunkyCanute, nice to hear from you. Mrs Cliftonian, the little Cliftonian and I are are all well. I'll be happy to have a look for you; I'll post any thoughts on the talk page. Cheers and keep well. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  11:04, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, very useful and quick, as ever! Glad to hear all well. FunkyCanute (talk) 12:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

2014 Year In Review Awards



 * Gosh! This is a nice surprise. Thank you very much! :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  07:19, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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Heya
Hey Cliftonian. My name is Jonas Vinther and I wrote a review on Lothar Machtan's The Hidden Hitler for the January edition of the The Buggle. I noticed that you also made a review of a book and gave it stars, and I was wondering: how do you give a book stars like that? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 13:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Jonas, great to hear from you. You just use the code, changing   (4 stars) for the number of stars you want to give. The aforementioned code gives . You can also change the "5" if you want to use a different scale. See Template:Rating if you want a more thorough explanation and some examples. Hope this helps, cheers! —   Cliftonian   (talk)  14:05, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm on the 3RR naughty step
Thanks for trying to deal with the ip editor. I have requested that the article be semi-protected. I won't revert again until that is done and in any case I've put myself on the naughty step for tonight. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I think a request for semi-protection is a good idea in the circumstances. If the guy doesn't stop perhaps post something at WP:FOOTY to get more views like when we had the argument about the phoenix clubs. Cheers, hope you're well —  Cliftonian   (talk)  23:48, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Why would I stop when this entry is so blatantly wrong? I've explained it clearly and will do so again.

Legally Wimbledon FC is no more - it was wound up and dissolved on 24-02-09. See here:

http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk//index.shtml Do a Webcheck for company number 00811820

The assets of the club were bought by a NewCo called Milton Keynes Dons Ltd which was incorporated on 04-06-03 under a different name Lawgra (No1028) Limited and changed its name on 24-02-04.

Do a Webcheck for company number 04787003 at the Companies House link above.

That is what happens every time a club goes into administration. Like it or not it is a NewCo and dodgy builders/double-glazing firms have a habit of doing it to get rid of the debt - if it wasn't legally a NewCo then the whole administration thing wouldn't work. The only reason that the Newco is seen as being the same entity is:

a. Because everyone thinks it is because it is in the same place, has the same kit, the same name and the same fans. b. It plays in the same place in the league. This however is only because the FL transfer the "golden ticket" of a league place to the new Company which they will do if certain criteria are met. They are not however obliged to do so as it is not the same legal entity.

The insistence on maintaining this "legally speaking" nonsense is an insistence on perpetuating a falsehood. I will not desist until this error is rectified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.120.79.133 (talk) 09:04, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi—I'm sorry if my wording ("If the guy doesn't stop") seemed rude: what I was meaning to refer to was the edit warring, not the argument in itself, but I see I put it badly and for that I'm sorry. I have done the webcheck along the lines you describe myself in the past and I understand that the companies are different. I know how administration works as my own club, Luton Town, have been in administration relatively recently. When Luton Town came out of administration just in time for the 2008–09 season it wasn't as Luton Town Football Club Ltd but as a newco—Luton Town Football Club 2020 Ltd—exactly as you say to get rid of the debt. Luton Town Football Club Ltd (itself a newco formed in 2003, after a previous time the club was in administration) was dissolved on 8 January 2014. But we don't say this is a different club or that this isn't Luton Town. We can find the same story at every club that has ever gone into administration and come out as a newco. So far as I know the Wimbledon F.C./Milton Keynes Dons F.C. case is different only in that newco gave the team a new name, colours and badge.


 * In short: on reflection I agree with you that "legally speaking" was the incorrect wording, hence my changing it to "technically". In the next few minutes I will open a new discussion about this at Talk:Milton Keynes Dons F.C. and leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football to get some more input, and we can continue this discussion there. I apologise if my tone before offended you and I look forward to ironing out this issue. Cheers, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  16:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I have opened the discussion at Talk:Milton Keynes Dons F.C.. See you there. Cheers, keep well. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  16:53, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This is an issue because some at Milton Keynes Dons have sought to legitimise the club by this false claim of "legal continuation". I don't see how it can 'technically' be a continuation unless you state the basis on which it is - and there either isn't a basis (certainly not a legal one) or it has to be couched in such complicated terms that it's worthless. The correct analysis is that the Football League agreed to transfer Wimbledon FC's 'golden share' to Milton Keynes Dons. That's it. Milton Keynes Dons, a new club run by a new legal entity, replaced Wimbledon FC in the Football League in 2004. I'm not going to let this go until the correct facts are properly published. This Wikipedia entry has been wrong - and used as justification for others getting this wrong - for too long. Along with the FSF's inaccurate statement about legal continuation it has kept this myth alive and it's time to stop it.165.120.79.133 (talk) 16:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Please continue the discussion at Talk:Milton Keynes Dons F.C. so it's easier for everybody to find and see it. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  17:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Today's featured article/requests/P. K. van der Byl
Just a ping. - Dank (push to talk) 20:47, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this Dan; I'm sorry if I came off a little crusty in what I wrote. Cheers and I hope you're well. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  22:00, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Hebrew characters
Hi Cliftonian, I hope all's well with you.

I just wondered - as it is a subject I know little of - whether you might be able to render the title of this and, hopefully, this into the correct Hebrew characters? (- I assume Yiddish and Hebrew share an alphabet?) If not, perhaps I can ask at WP:Jewish History as it's for The Holocaust in Belgium. Thanks! —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Brigade Piron, all good here—the language here is Yiddish as opposed to Hebrew, but you are correct that the alphabet is the same. So for future reference I can easily read the writing and reproduce it for you but I can't actually read the articles for you. Anyway: the first link's title is אונזער קאמף ("Unzer Kampf") and the second is אונזער-ווארט ("Unzer-Wort"). This seems similar to the German unser kampf (our struggle) and unser wort (our word).


 * Unzer Kampf is marked "No. 3" and has יוני 1944 ("Yuni 1944"—June 1944) written on it. Unzer-Wort has written underneath the title בעלגיע ("Belgia"—Belgium, as in Hebrew, the "g" pronounced hard as in "garden"), דעצעמבער 1941 ("Detsember 1941"—December 1941) and פרייץ: 1 פראנק ("Preitz: 1 franc"). Hope this helps. Keep well now! :) —  Cliftonian   (talk)  09:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, on the Unzer-Wort link all the pages except the first one are upside down. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  10:40, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've added it to the article! —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem sir —  Cliftonian   (talk)  18:50, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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Richard III
Thank you very much for your help in getting Exhumation of Richard III of England to Featured Article status! I thought you might like to know that I have nominated it for Today's Featured Article for 26 March 2015. The request is at Today's featured article/requests/Exhumation of Richard III of England. Please feel free to comment if you have any views. Prioryman (talk) 09:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll be there —  Cliftonian   (talk)  13:54, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Paul Kruger
The article Paul Kruger you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Paul Kruger for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley (talk) 10:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * - Whoa, I happened to be on that page (for my own reading) just the other day! I didn't realize you'd written (or nominated it), or I'd have done the review myself. It's great to see key content get done properly ;) Congratulations, —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Brigade Piron! There's a peer review now if you're interested. Any thoughts you may have would be very much appreciated. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  13:53, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Counter-attacking
Given your morbid interest in grumpy, bearded old cusses from the 19th century, perhaps I can interest you in the FAC of Camille Saint-Saëns. Not to all tastes, and certainly not compulsory, but do look in if so disposed.  Tim riley  talk    23:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd be delighted. I'll be there. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  17:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Kruger peer review
I have just started to look at the article. Now, I am normally a rather slow and pedantic reviewer and it takes me a while to complete a review. In this case, the article is very long, and I have several parallel responsibilities. To complete my normal kind of review, I would require at least a week and perhaps longer. You may not want to wait that long. If that's the case, I'm prepared to carry out a less complete review, perhaps looking at a particular aspect of the article. For example, you mentioned in your intro that you'd welcome advice as to whether the text could be shortened – I could do that. Or I could check sources. I'll willingly do the whole thing if you wish, of course, but that will take time. Brianboulton (talk) 09:36, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * PS: I love the story that C.B. Fry tells of Kruger, who when invited to open a synagogue, did so "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ". It's in Fry's autobiography, and there's a reference to the story here. Could it be true? If you were feeling truly mischievous, you could insert it in the article – by way of a footnote, of course. Brianboulton (talk) 12:04, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello again Brian. Perhaps you could just have a look for stuff that could be snipped and have a cursory look over the sources, as Tim and two others have already had a look at the prose and seem happy with it. Regarding the synagogue story—this is not mentioned in Meintjes's authoritative biography or the Davenport ODNB biography, despite the discussion in each of Kruger's relationship with the Transvaal Jewish community. I've had a look on Google books and the story seems to be both affirmed and denied. I have added a footnote mentioning it as "an oft-repeated but perhaps apocryphal story, both denied and affirmed by eye-witnesses", as it is very amusing. It does seem to me to fit with the mischievous and provocative sense of humour Kruger is often described as having, even if it is probably apocryphal. —  Cliftonian   (talk)  00:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Today's featured article/March 27, 2015
Hi, Cliftonian and Sarastro1. The link is to a TFA that you guys nominated at FAC. Could you two do some work on a summary of the lead section (which I've copied into the TFA page) of around 1200 visible characters for me? (here is a handy character counter.) I've been doing most of these myself, but this one combines two subjects I don't know a lot about. - Dank (push to talk) 21:28, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've had a go at this Dan, thanks —  Cliftonian   (talk)  22:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Mary Celeste
Per your request at the recent peer review, this is to let you know that th article is now at FAC. Many thanks for your interest. Brianboulton (talk) 00:28, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Cheers sir —  Cliftonian   (talk)  00:35, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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Battle of Old Trafford
Still having trouble at Battle of Old Trafford. Sorry to do this to you, but would you care to step in again? – PeeJay 09:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Tom, I'm sorry but I don't really think that would help the situation very much. I stepped in before and debated with David-King at some length, I think, and frankly the conversation just went mostly in circles. I want to help but I don't see any indication that the same would not happen again if I re-entered—I am not that great a mediator (alas, if only I had A-levels). One is far more likely, in my experience, to get a satisfactory conclusion through some kind of consensus than just counting on the other guy eventually "giving up". My suggested course of action is that you list this at Dispute resolution noticeboard to try to get some more structured outside opinion. If you and David-King decide to go down this route please let me know and I'll be happy to give my two penn'orth there. If there's any other way I can help please let me know. All the very best, —  Cliftonian   (talk)  13:45, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I completely understand. I've set up a discussion at WP:DRN; hopefully that will help resolve things. Until then, I guess the article should remain in its original state per WP:BRD. – PeeJay 17:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. I will try my best to get to this either this evening or tomorrow. Cheers Tom, have a great weekend —  Cliftonian   (talk)  18:12, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Mind Meld
Hi John,

Thank you again for encouraging me to return to editing Wikipedia. I have been enjoying investing in articles again. I have started a new featured article candidacy here for the article Mind Meld. If you have time to participate, I would greatly appreciate any comments you might provide.

Neelix (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm more of a Next Generation fan myself, but I'll be there, probably tomorrow (Sunday). Hope you're well David, it's great to see you back. Cheers —  Cliftonian   (talk)  14:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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