User talk:Repentance

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Hello Repentance, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your edits have not conformed to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy, and have been reverted. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media.

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 * Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.  -- Vary | Talk 16:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Holocaust
I didn't consider it vandalism, as it was probably a good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia. But an article isn't a talk page. Nowhere in the article should there be any material with a tone that is conversational or instructional. The talk page is the proper place for talking about an article, not the article itself. I hope we're talking about the same edit here (the Martin Luther bit). Robert K S 21:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * PS Also when editing someone's talk page, a new message should be left at the bottom of the page, not the top. Cheers. Robert K S 21:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

POV problems
I suggest you read WP:TIGER, and try to find some subjects to edit on which you don't hold such strong opinions. -- Vary | Talk 18:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I would be inclined to believe that, if anything, the WELS statement belongs in the second paragraph of the 'second millennium' section. The 'contemporary identifications' section seems to focus more on the borderline-conspiracy-theory finger pointing, and on the Antichrist, capital A, as in the one that's supposed to signal the impending end of the world, rather than the definition used in the WELS statement (as in 'in the place of Christ' rather than the stricter meaning of 'opposite of Christ').
 * And I was referring not to the matter of whether or not that nice old man from Germany is the spawn of satan, but on your general focus on adding negative information about Lutheranism; for example the massive additions you've made to 'pogrom', which result in the article spending far too much time on Luther's statements - there is nearly as much text on that one pamphlet as on the entire holocaust, and far more than on many actual instances of violence, as those during the Russian revolution. Since we already have a whole article on the subject, we do not need such extensive direct quoting of the text in multiple articles. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. -- Vary | Talk 20:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for a well-reasoned reply. I will concede your points that a better location would be the second paragraph of the 'second millennium' section, and that the 'contemporary identifications' section seems to focus more on the borderline-conspiracy-theory finger pointing, and on the Antichrist, capital A, as in the one that's supposed to signal the impending end of the world. On the issue of "the nice old man from Germany", I learned a lot from that experience (much of it from you), and have attempted to be more scholarly (we can both laugh at this one) in my approach. I still have a POV, but understand now that it does not belong in articles. I believe that the "nice old man from Germany" may have lost sight of "the big picture" which is "Love God with all your heart, mind, and spirit" and "love your neighbor as yourself", and I do not want to go too far down the wrong path either! Repentance 20:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually meant another nice old man from Germany, but fair enough either way, as I see some people have accused the German you seem to be thinking of of being the Antichrist as well. -- Vary | Talk 21:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ohhhhh! The other one! So many theories, so little time.  Repentance 21:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Clever
Clever signature ... :-) ... Keesiewonder 22:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)